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Frankfooter said:
There is racism in the previous post and racism in that post as well, combined with factual innacuracies.
There were no rapes by Hamas on Oct 7, there are no victims, no names, no evidence and reporters have been fired over those stories.

I rely on third party reports, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, etc for real reports along with legit news sources and video documentation.
Gaza had a higher literacy rate than Israel, they have lived through 17 years of blockade and a 16 year old kid has lived through 6 attacks or 'wars' on Gaza.

The primary issue is the occupation and is still the occupation. Until that is ended and the leaders of both sides taken to court for war crimes there can be no recovery. End the occupation, end apartheid, bring in equal rights.

The occupation and blockade didn't start on Oct 7, its been ongoing for half a century.

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There was rape on Oct 7 I can guarantee you that. The son of a colleague of mine who was in the military was part of the first troop sent onsite.

Some girls were shot in the head at the raper was coming in them... As crazy as that. Then they parade some of the girls.

Hamas needs to be eradicated because these fuckers are millionaires living safely abroad. Once they are gone then talks about ending Israeli occupation can start.
 
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jalimon said:
There was rape on Oct 7 I can guarantee you that. The son of a colleague of mine who was in the military was part of the first troop sent onsite.

Some girls were shot in the head at the raper was coming in them... As crazy as that. Then they parade some of the girls.

Hamas needs to be eradicated because these fuckers are millionaires living safely abroad. Once they are gone then talks about ending Israeli occupation can start.
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Why are there no victims named? Why were there no reports of rape at hospitals or morgues?
Why, after 6 months, is there no evidence?
Why is there still no evidence of rapes ever having happened?

Hamas, at this point, is way less evil than the genocidal Israeli government that has ruled through apartheid while stealing Palestinian land.
Nothing Hamas has done is anywhere near as evil as killing 20,000 women and children and putting 1 million children near starving to death.

Investigate and charge both sides, but right now all the evidence makes Israel look far worse.
If there were rapes, why is there not reports and evidence like this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1777652447474749720
 
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Frankfooter said:
Why are there no victims named? Why were there no reports of rape at hospitals or morgues?
Why, after 6 months, is there no evidence?
Why is there still no evidence of rapes ever having happened?

Hamas, at this point, is way less evil than the genocidal Israeli government that has ruled through apartheid while stealing Palestinian land.
Nothing Hamas has done is anywhere near as evil as killing 20,000 women and children and putting 1 million children near starving to death.

Investigate and charge both sides, but right now all the evidence makes Israel look far worse.
If there were rapes, why is there not reports and evidence like this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1777652447474749720
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there is no less evil in a war. Both parties are killing each other.

i agree with you on the fact that Israel, backed by world power economy, is abusing and in an apartheid situation. They want gaza to get access to the fucking beach...

yet on oct 7 some young people were slaughtered... i do not need to read reports on that. I got them from people who simply saw it.
 
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jalimon said:
there is no less evil in a war. Both parties are killing each other.

i agree with you on the fact that Israel, backed by world power economy, is abusing and in an apartheid situation. They want gaza to get access to the fucking beach...

yet on oct 7 some young people were slaughtered... i do not need to read reports on that. I got them from people who simply saw it.
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This isn't a war.
Only one side has an army, navy, drones, jets and nukes.

This is an indigenous population forced to live in a concentration camp that for the first time managed to fight their way outside the camp walls.
Its a 75 year old occupation and ongoing colonization where the occupiers continually claim to be victims of resistance to the occupation.

Palestinians have been suffering terrorist attacks for 75 years.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1777682706379215187
 
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Frankfooter said:
Why are there no victims named? Why were there no reports of rape at hospitals or morgues?
Why, after 6 months, is there no evidence?
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There's only no evidence according to Hamas loving clowns who refuse to accept any evidence that comes from Israelis.
 
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Frankfooter said:
There have been major moves towards a ceasefire but this is what you think was going on?
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Another case where you blindly accept Hamas' statements without bothering to actually read them.

Hamas' "agreement" only differed from their original demands by saying the Israeli withdrawal would be at the end of phase 1, not the beginning. At the same time, they demanded more Palestinian prisoners be released, demanding more Palestinians sentenced for life over violent killings be released, demanding they be able to determine which prisoners get released, while offering fewer Israeli hostages, over a longer time, and saying they may just be releasing remains.

The threat of going in to Rafah was likely to put pressure on Hamas to accept any of the ceasefires but Hamas responded instead by hardening its demands.
 
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There is no evidence period.

Terrorist settlers just attacked the UN.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788686997403414664
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There's only no evidence according to Hamas loving clowns who refuse to accept any evidence that comes from Israelis.

www.bbc.com

Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears

The BBC has seen and heard evidence that Hamas fighters committed horrific sexual violence in Israel.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
www.theguardian.com

Evidence points to systematic use of rape and sexual violence by Hamas in 7 October attacks

Guardian aware of sexual assaults for which multiple corroborating pieces of evidence exist
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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basketcase said:
There's only no evidence according to Hamas loving clowns who refuse to accept any evidence that comes from Israelis.

www.bbc.com

Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears

The BBC has seen and heard evidence that Hamas fighters committed horrific sexual violence in Israel.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
www.theguardian.com

Evidence points to systematic use of rape and sexual violence by Hamas in 7 October attacks

Guardian aware of sexual assaults for which multiple corroborating pieces of evidence exist
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Secondary evidence from ZAKA, we've been over this.
There is no primary evidence, no victims names, no bodies, no coroners reports and no charges.
The allegations are all second hand allegations from ZAKA, whose leader himself was charged with sex charges with minors.
Its like you're getting Jeffrey Epstein as your star witness.

www.haaretz.com

Zaka founder Meshi-Zahav, implicated in decades of sexual abuse, dies

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www.haaretz.com www.haaretz.com
 
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Another case where you blindly accept Hamas' statements without bothering to actually read them.

Hamas' "agreement" only differed from their original demands by saying the Israeli withdrawal would be at the end of phase 1, not the beginning. At the same time, they demanded more Palestinian prisoners be released, demanding more Palestinians sentenced for life over violent killings be released, demanding they be able to determine which prisoners get released, while offering fewer Israeli hostages, over a longer time, and saying they may just be releasing remains.

The threat of going in to Rafah was likely to put pressure on Hamas to accept any of the ceasefires but Hamas responded instead by hardening its demands.
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Hamas agreed to a ceasefire, Netanyahu refused and said he'll go in and kill everyone he thinks might be Hamas.
Israel is the problem, not Hamas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788544831645532596
 
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(15) Suppose there is a complete exodus of the Palestinian community from Gaza, where would they permanently settle? - Quora

This is not an issue of finding land. The West took in twice as many Ukrainian refugees basically overnight and if things go bad enough in Ukraine many will likely stay.
There are plenty of places all over the Arab world too that could serve as home. None of this is an issue, there are two other issues. The smaller issue is nobody wants them, because Palestinians are ungovernable.
The entire population of Gaza strip has been subjected to over a generation of brainwashing with hate of Israel and being ruled by an oppressive lot of religious mobsters. If they settled somewhere else they would not assimilate there, but sooner rather than later run their own Gaza, complete with drug labs and whatnot. Any group of people with their history would, you’d need hardcore reprogramming and that would be nigh on impossible.
The bigger problem is nobody wants to deal with a bunch of violent thugs and would perfer to keep them there. No situation wins and status quo is even worse. This is how f*d up the situation is.



Nowhere. At most, they’d settle in small chunks in various places.
Here’s the problem with the ‘Palestinians’ today; nobody wants them.
And that’s not an exaggeration or anything. I mean that NOBODY wants them - especially the ones from Gaza.
There are two ruling parties in ‘Palestine,’ ‘politically’ speaking. I say ‘politically’ speaking because I don’t know if you can call it a political party when your entire stance is ‘we’re gonna kill the Jews.’ No development plans, no economic plans, no civil rights talks, just ‘kill the neighbors (who keep kicking our ass every time we target them).’
Even the Nazi party had more than ‘kill the Jews’ as their platform.
Anyhow, let’s assume Gaza empties out. You’ve got about roughly fifty percent ‘children’ (under the age of 18) who are of questionable utility. Then you have their parents, who are also of questionable utility.
The economy of Palestine is heavily based in agriculture, to the point that something like 90 percent of their economy is reliant upon it. And the Palestinian people are not a ‘productive’ nation; their GDP per capita is 3667USD. For perspective, Israel’s is 52170, Egypt’s is 3698, and Jordan’s is 4103.

Now, Jordan is outright not gonna take any of them. Jordan, once before, felt bad for the ‘Palestinian’ people, and King Hussein of Jordan took them in. In return, the ‘PLO,’ led by Yassir Arafat, waged a ten-month war on Jordan, attempting to murder King Hussein, and murdering Prime Minister Wasif Tal. They were expelled from the country via force of arms.
Egypt is not gonna take any of them. They don’t need more agriculture workers, and they remember what happened in Jordan. Israel, obviously, is not gonna take any of them.

What about their benefactors, though? What about the people of Iran?
Well, like most of the Middle East, they like the ‘Palestinians’ in theory, not so much in practice. They like having them out there as a talking point, and as a group that they can send weapons to and know that they’ll be used to target Jewish civilians, but not so much as a group of people who might come to their lands to live.

The truth is that the Palestinian people are among the worst groups in the Middle East, as a population, and one that nobody really wants. They’re questionably-educated, questionably-employed, and have a long history of violence against nations that try to help them.


A lot of them will migrate to Europe, as the Arabic countries, which surround Israel, do not want them.
A lot of them will appear at the German border, crying for asylum. If that happens, Germany by our constitution, is obliged to let them in and to check any single asylum application to find out, whether they have a right to get asylum or not. In fact the difference doesn’t change much because as there is no country, which will take them back, we must keep them all inside Germany and give them shelter and food, regardless of whether their asylum application was accepted or not.
Those Palestinians then are confronted with the Jews, that have their homes in Germany for decades and are specially protected by German authorities, as the inviolability of every Jew and Israeli is German reason of state after we had become guilty by the Nazi Holocaust.

But if the Palestinian asylum seekers and other people with a muslim background begin to physically attack our Jews, our police and our army are not able to defend our Jews.
Therefor the supposed complete exodus of the Gaza community would be a big mess for Germany. You have to know too, that Germany already hosts 600,000 Syrian, 50,000 Iranian, 30,000 Afghan and 150,000 Marrocain asylum seekers together with 100,000 people from Lebanon (many of them criminal clans) and 3 million people from Turkey. You may assume that many of these people hate Israel and Jews. In addition we host 1.1 million refugees from Ukraine, who don’t have quarrels with Israel, but who compete with the Palestinian asylum seekers for shelter, food, schools and kindergardens.

This scenario has the potential to destabilize German society and democracy.


After the state of Israel was reborn the Arab nations kicked out most of their Jewish population
and shipped them off to Israel. They stole everything those Jews “left behind”, the homes, the businesses, the land, etc.
So maybe in balance they could ship these people off to those lands/nations and give them
what they stole from the Jews.

I expect there will be no complete Exodus as no other nation really wants them.
If they actually were forced out they could be shipped over to the West bank with the rest of
the “Palestinian” people.
The reality is, the “Palestinian” people are really Jordanian, but Jordan does not want them because the PLO tried to kill the king in a coup. Egypt does not want them because they are not of any use.
The Islamic nations that call them “brothers” want nothing to do with them and prefer they exist as
an external cause to distract their people from the injustices happening in those nations.

Yup. They're basically not wanted anywhere and for very good reasons. See above.
 
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mandrill said:
(15) Suppose there is a complete exodus of the Palestinian community from Gaza, where would they permanently settle? - Quora

This is not an issue of finding land. The West took in twice as many Ukrainian refugees basically overnight and if things go bad enough in Ukraine many will likely stay.
There are plenty of places all over the Arab world too that could serve as home. None of this is an issue, there are two other issues. The smaller issue is nobody wants them, because Palestinians are ungovernable.
The entire population of Gaza strip has been subjected to over a generation of brainwashing with hate of Israel and being ruled by an oppressive lot of religious mobsters. If they settled somewhere else they would not assimilate there, but sooner rather than later run their own Gaza, complete with drug labs and whatnot. Any group of people with their history would, you’d need hardcore reprogramming and that would be nigh on impossible.
The bigger problem is nobody wants to deal with a bunch of violent thugs and would perfer to keep them there. No situation wins and status quo is even worse. This is how f*d up the situation is.



Nowhere. At most, they’d settle in small chunks in various places.
Here’s the problem with the ‘Palestinians’ today; nobody wants them.
And that’s not an exaggeration or anything. I mean that NOBODY wants them - especially the ones from Gaza.
There are two ruling parties in ‘Palestine,’ ‘politically’ speaking. I say ‘politically’ speaking because I don’t know if you can call it a political party when your entire stance is ‘we’re gonna kill the Jews.’ No development plans, no economic plans, no civil rights talks, just ‘kill the neighbors (who keep kicking our ass every time we target them).’
Even the Nazi party had more than ‘kill the Jews’ as their platform.
Anyhow, let’s assume Gaza empties out. You’ve got about roughly fifty percent ‘children’ (under the age of 18) who are of questionable utility. Then you have their parents, who are also of questionable utility.
The economy of Palestine is heavily based in agriculture, to the point that something like 90 percent of their economy is reliant upon it. And the Palestinian people are not a ‘productive’ nation; their GDP per capita is 3667USD. For perspective, Israel’s is 52170, Egypt’s is 3698, and Jordan’s is 4103.

Now, Jordan is outright not gonna take any of them. Jordan, once before, felt bad for the ‘Palestinian’ people, and King Hussein of Jordan took them in. In return, the ‘PLO,’ led by Yassir Arafat, waged a ten-month war on Jordan, attempting to murder King Hussein, and murdering Prime Minister Wasif Tal. They were expelled from the country via force of arms.
Egypt is not gonna take any of them. They don’t need more agriculture workers, and they remember what happened in Jordan. Israel, obviously, is not gonna take any of them.

What about their benefactors, though? What about the people of Iran?
Well, like most of the Middle East, they like the ‘Palestinians’ in theory, not so much in practice. They like having them out there as a talking point, and as a group that they can send weapons to and know that they’ll be used to target Jewish civilians, but not so much as a group of people who might come to their lands to live.

The truth is that the Palestinian people are among the worst groups in the Middle East, as a population, and one that nobody really wants. They’re questionably-educated, questionably-employed, and have a long history of violence against nations that try to help them.


A lot of them will migrate to Europe, as the Arabic countries, which surround Israel, do not want them.
A lot of them will appear at the German border, crying for asylum. If that happens, Germany by our constitution, is obliged to let them in and to check any single asylum application to find out, whether they have a right to get asylum or not. In fact the difference doesn’t change much because as there is no country, which will take them back, we must keep them all inside Germany and give them shelter and food, regardless of whether their asylum application was accepted or not.
Those Palestinians then are confronted with the Jews, that have their homes in Germany for decades and are specially protected by German authorities, as the inviolability of every Jew and Israeli is German reason of state after we had become guilty by the Nazi Holocaust.

But if the Palestinian asylum seekers and other people with a muslim background begin to physically attack our Jews, our police and our army are not able to defend our Jews.
Therefor the supposed complete exodus of the Gaza community would be a big mess for Germany. You have to know too, that Germany already hosts 600,000 Syrian, 50,000 Iranian, 30,000 Afghan and 150,000 Marrocain asylum seekers together with 100,000 people from Lebanon (many of them criminal clans) and 3 million people from Turkey. You may assume that many of these people hate Israel and Jews. In addition we host 1.1 million refugees from Ukraine, who don’t have quarrels with Israel, but who compete with the Palestinian asylum seekers for shelter, food, schools and kindergardens.

This scenario has the potential to destabilize German society and democracy.


After the state of Israel was reborn the Arab nations kicked out most of their Jewish population
and shipped them off to Israel. They stole everything those Jews “left behind”, the homes, the businesses, the land, etc.
So maybe in balance they could ship these people off to those lands/nations and give them
what they stole from the Jews.

I expect there will be no complete Exodus as no other nation really wants them.
If they actually were forced out they could be shipped over to the West bank with the rest of
the “Palestinian” people.
The reality is, the “Palestinian” people are really Jordanian, but Jordan does not want them because the PLO tried to kill the king in a coup. Egypt does not want them because they are not of any use.
The Islamic nations that call them “brothers” want nothing to do with them and prefer they exist as
an external cause to distract their people from the injustices happening in those nations.

Yup. They're basically not wanted anywhere and for very good reasons. See above.
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Wow.

A post calling for ethnic cleansing and then whining that nobody backs ethnic cleansing.
A post that ignores that 5 million Palestinian refugees were ethnically cleanse and are still being hosted by those same countries that don't want more now, countries that have been paying for Israel's war crimes for half a century.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788472810106413524

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788198772507373610
 
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