Landis Missing - Found to Have Doped
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Absolutely spot on!!!canucklehead said:
Franky66, I highly doubt you've ever done steroids yourself and I also doubt you've ever competed in any major sport (including T&F).
If you had you'd know all about steroids and other PE drugs.
The sad state of affairs is that you cannot compete at a world class level without the use of PE pharmaceuticals.
Current drug testing that goes on is a smoke screen to convince the public the athletes are clean. Its a facade on a global scale.
In athletics, I'm not sure I agree with such a generalisation. I believe African middle and long distance runners haven't in the main but maybe those born in Kenya and Ethiopia haven't had to, as they have enjoyed natural advantages from living at high altitudes.
I have very strong suspicions that a lot of others in the distance events - men and women - have benefited from blood doping (not CE). The only one I can be fairly sure hasn't and has reached the top is Paula Radcliffe, the English female marathon runner who has campaigned against it.
Can well imagine doping is very common amongst sprinters, jumpers and throwers of all sorts. Those that haven't but have been near the top must be pretty frustrated looking up at those at the top who have been taking drugs. Can therefore probably agree most of the top 5% in those disciplines are on drugs. I'd like to think Asafa Powell and Michael Johnson before him haven't taken drugs and are amongst the exceptions. Marion Jones almost certainly has but I'm not sure she has been recently. Dwayne Chambers from Britain is probably clean right now. A lot of those outside the top 5% may not be able to afford the drugs, masking agents and everything else involved.
Papers I was reading today suggested anything like 10 - 50 % are taking drugs in the sport.
I have very strong suspicions that a lot of others in the distance events - men and women - have benefited from blood doping (not CE). The only one I can be fairly sure hasn't and has reached the top is Paula Radcliffe, the English female marathon runner who has campaigned against it.
Can well imagine doping is very common amongst sprinters, jumpers and throwers of all sorts. Those that haven't but have been near the top must be pretty frustrated looking up at those at the top who have been taking drugs. Can therefore probably agree most of the top 5% in those disciplines are on drugs. I'd like to think Asafa Powell and Michael Johnson before him haven't taken drugs and are amongst the exceptions. Marion Jones almost certainly has but I'm not sure she has been recently. Dwayne Chambers from Britain is probably clean right now. A lot of those outside the top 5% may not be able to afford the drugs, masking agents and everything else involved.
Papers I was reading today suggested anything like 10 - 50 % are taking drugs in the sport.
You can doubt whatever you want. I have competed at junior level. How many people (aged 10 to 18) competing at junior level in the late 80s and early 90s you think were doing steroids?Esco! said:
You love shoot your mouth off without any reasonable proof. All this is you just blowing hot air like a typical loudmouth.
Present your case with much more sound logic than you have done up until now please. Try to address Slowandeasy while you are at it. I notice how you are avoiding him like the plague. Run Esco, Run!
no no noteassoc said:In athletics, I'm not sure I agree with such a generalisation. I believe African middle and long distance runners haven't in the main but maybe those born in Kenya and Ethiopia haven't had to, as they have enjoyed natural advantages from living at high altitudes.
I have very strong suspicions that a lot of others in the distance events - men and women - have benefited from blood doping (not CE). The only one I can be fairly sure hasn't and has reached the top is Paula Radcliffe, the English female marathon runner who has campaigned against it.
Can well imagine doping is very common amongst sprinters, jumpers and throwers of all sorts. Those that haven't but have been near the top must be pretty frustrated looking up at those at the top who have been taking drugs. Can therefore probably agree most of the top 5% in those disciplines are on drugs. I'd like to think Asafa Powell and Michael Johnson before him haven't taken drugs and are amongst the exceptions. Marion Jones almost certainly has but I'm not sure she has been recently. Dwayne Chambers from Britain is probably clean right now. A lot of those outside the top 5% may not be able to afford the drugs, masking agents and everything else involved.
Papers I was reading today suggested anything like 10 - 50 % are taking drugs in the sport.
Everybody is taking drugs. Even Paula and the Kenyans. Didn't you hear what Grand Puba and top tester Esco said????????
Sorry m8 but that's a rediculous statement. Drug regimes cost money and if you are talking about all athletes, as you are inferring, most won't have the money.franky66 said:
Perhaps you are talking about the top 5% as most informed writers are. If so you should be clearer. Even then what you are talking about is a matter of opinion and lots of people would disagree with you regarding the Kenyans and Paula.
I dont feel like typing so much but fine, I'll respond to him alsofranky66 said:
It would be very difficult to back up what I said with web articles cause its a taboo subject in the athletic worldslowandeasy said:
No I dont have any PHD's, and I dont need one since I have eyes in my head.slowandeasy said:
Ask yourself this, if Asafa Powell is clean and runs a 9.9 100M would it not make sense for him to become extremely tempted to take steroids and shave .5 seconds off his time??????slowandeasy said:
.5 off your 100M is about what pro athletes can expect with steroids.
So a poor boy from Jamaica could become God, make millions of $$$$ and run a 9.4 or a 9.5 and yet you people dont think he would fall that temptation?????
Please dont make me laugh.
I can assure he'll never run a 9.5 because he's already juiced to his limit when he runs 9.9 or 9.8.
And that to me folks is proof in the pudding
I don't know if Asafa is on the juice or not... What I questioned is your declaration that it is impossible for a man to run under 10 seconds in the 100 meter dash WITHOUT performance enhancing drugs... PE would include things like steriods, HGH etc.. not things like advanced nutritional info or training techniques etc...Esco! said:I dont feel like typing so much but fine, I'll respond to him also
It would be very difficult to back up what I said with web articles cause its a taboo subject in the athletic world
No I dont have any PHD's, and I dont need one since I have eyes in my head.
Ask yourself this, if Asafa Powell is clean and runs a 9.9 100M would it not make sense for him to become extremely tempted to take steroids and shave .5 seconds off his time??????
.5 off your 100M is about what pro athletes can expect with steroids.
So a poor boy from Jamaica could become God, make millions of $$$$ and run a 9.4 or a 9.5 and yet you people dont think he would fall that temptation?????
Please dont make me laugh.
I can assure he'll never run a 9.5 because he's already juiced to his limit when he runs 9.9 or 9.8.
And that to me folks is proof in the pudding
Franky,franky66 said:
We can all see you're upset and passionate about this subject. You raise some very valid points. But, do you honestly belive Asafa is not on the juice? Have you considered the possibility that his 'team' have just mastered the art of cover up? It has nothing to do with being from a third world nation. He's got 1st world dollars behind him - especially now. Not sayin he's not a great athlete. I'll buy a 9.90 maybe even a 9.88 or so.
9.77?
Not buyin.
SK.
And can I just add, I have no problem with athletes juicing, the cat is out of the bag, the genie is out of the bottle, you cannot get them back in.
So as long as everyone is juiced to the tits then its an even playing field.
May the best pharmacist win
So as long as everyone is juiced to the tits then its an even playing field.
May the best pharmacist win
Lettem juice. To me it's like the law that makes marijuana illegal. It can never be meaningfully enforced.Esco! said:And can I just add, I have no problem with athletes juicing, the cat is out of the bag, the genie is out of the bottle, you cannot get them back in.
So as long as everyone is juiced to the tits then its an even playing field.
May the best pharmacist win
SK.
I can see that went over your head. lolteassoc said:Sorry m8 but that's a rediculous statement. Drug regimes cost money and if you are talking about all athletes, as you are inferring, most won't have the money.
Perhaps you are talking about the top 5% as most informed writers are. If so you should be clearer. Even then what you are talking about is a matter of opinion and lots of people would disagree with you regarding the Kenyans and Paula.
I was being sarcastic. I am telling you how Esco feels.
would you care to declare with your real name to the press that Asafa is juiced? You are the type of man who is dying to get sued til he is pauperised. Must be a glutton for punishment.Esco! said:I dont feel like typing so much but fine, I'll respond to him also
It would be very difficult to back up what I said with web articles cause its a taboo subject in the athletic world
No I dont have any PHD's, and I dont need one since I have eyes in my head.
Ask yourself this, if Asafa Powell is clean and runs a 9.9 100M would it not make sense for him to become extremely tempted to take steroids and shave .5 seconds off his time??????
.5 off your 100M is about what pro athletes can expect with steroids.
So a poor boy from Jamaica could become God, make millions of $$$$ and run a 9.4 or a 9.5 and yet you people dont think he would fall that temptation?????
Please dont make me laugh.
I can assure he'll never run a 9.5 because he's already juiced to his limit when he runs 9.9 or 9.8.
And that to me folks is proof in the pudding
So you have no PhDs and you havent conducted tests so you are basing the fact that a man cant possibly run under 10 secs due to the eyes in your head? What kind of logic is that? What else do your eyes tell you? Did your eyes tell you that there is no possible cure cancer etc etc?
What else your eyes tell you Professor Esco? That it's impossible for a man to fall a few stories and still live?
Where have you been????????? Asafa NEVER had any $$ backing him. He paid his own way to get where he is. He paid for his own travel and accomodation and had no money at all while the JAAA financed Veronica Campbell. He wasn't a topclass junior athlete so the JAAA never invested him like they did others. He steadily improved over the years and only when he started to run very fast times the JAAA took notice and wanted to get friendly with him.Scorpion King said:
What first world dollars you see backing Asafa when he began running 9.9??
Get your facts in order and stop assuming. How is he beating every single drug test? The eyes have been fixed on this guy from long ago and as soon as he finishes a run he is summoned to be tested ALL THE TIME unlike many Americans who get tested every now and then. If they could test this guy during the race they would.
Tell me how can he beat hundreds of tests? He isnt from some big country with big time backing. I just don't see how he could get away with murder. Anything is possible butbeing tested thoroughly EVERYTIME you run and not failing either shows one of two things
1) you are clean
2) you have the best chemist on the planet or something to that effect. I would hazard a guess that you need some big time money to afford the best.
Asafa is a major talent. His main problem was nerves in finals as he seems to choke. How can you be juiced up and lack confidence and choke in a final? I always thought with being juiced up you feel like no one can beat you. It remains to be seen if he has overcome his nervousness in big event finals.
PS: The two Greeks were so blatant. Are they still avoiding the authorities?
Mr MLAM
how goes it? Keep abreast with the latest news in T&F? Not here to rejoice because shit happens but remember what I told you?
It wasn't a bitter ex husband. It had been the truth for sometime. Someone has reverted back to what they DID when they were winning because they weren't winning without IT. And we all know why they stopped taking IT. The reason ws because alot of heat was on them. It wasn't the stress or whatever else that led to them losing races all of a sudden. It was the heat placed on them because people close to them were letting the cat out of the bad.
In the meantime at the Grand Prix event in Zurich, the man from the same parish (ST Elizabeth) as General Colin Powell's parents (migth be related) ran 9.77 for the 3rd time equalling his record. He has been tested so many times with each scorching run so I guess one of these days the test should eventually work and catch him out. Oh yeah, his compatriot won the female version of the event.
Walk good sah
how goes it? Keep abreast with the latest news in T&F? Not here to rejoice because shit happens but remember what I told you?
It wasn't a bitter ex husband. It had been the truth for sometime. Someone has reverted back to what they DID when they were winning because they weren't winning without IT. And we all know why they stopped taking IT. The reason ws because alot of heat was on them. It wasn't the stress or whatever else that led to them losing races all of a sudden. It was the heat placed on them because people close to them were letting the cat out of the bad.
In the meantime at the Grand Prix event in Zurich, the man from the same parish (ST Elizabeth) as General Colin Powell's parents (migth be related) ran 9.77 for the 3rd time equalling his record. He has been tested so many times with each scorching run so I guess one of these days the test should eventually work and catch him out. Oh yeah, his compatriot won the female version of the event.
Walk good sah
Marion Jones first sample tested positive from June. They are awaiting the results of 2nd sample to confirm.
The Balco owner Conte(?) has insisted that he put a program together for Marion Jones and saw her inject before the games where she won 5 gold.
I loved what Marion Jones had done, and I was cheering for her on her comeback... But unfortunately, it's starting to look like she is both a liar and a cheat..
Franky... I wanted to believe Marion Jones, but the evidence was weighed against her telling the truth.
1. First husband was a cheat and I think that he was selling steriods
2. 2nd Husband was a cheat
3. Her association with Balco
4. She was dominant winning 5 gold medals and then looked very ordinary
in the following years...(although I think that she had one or two kids since
the olympics)
5. Conte has said that he gave her EPO which was not tested until last year
The Balco owner Conte(?) has insisted that he put a program together for Marion Jones and saw her inject before the games where she won 5 gold.
I loved what Marion Jones had done, and I was cheering for her on her comeback... But unfortunately, it's starting to look like she is both a liar and a cheat..
Franky... I wanted to believe Marion Jones, but the evidence was weighed against her telling the truth.
1. First husband was a cheat and I think that he was selling steriods
2. 2nd Husband was a cheat
3. Her association with Balco
4. She was dominant winning 5 gold medals and then looked very ordinary
in the following years...(although I think that she had one or two kids since
the olympics)
5. Conte has said that he gave her EPO which was not tested until last year
