Landis Missing - Found to Have Doped

[franky66]

...that an island of a few million just isn't as likely to produce as many top athletes as a country of 300 million, huh? Had to be cheating....

As best I understand - no one has yet to prove that Marion Jones has failed a drug test anywhere, ever. Which puts her on par (presumably) with your friend. But clearly Marion must be on drug, but there was time...years ago...when your friend beat her. Right.

I'm not saying that many T&F athletes are not on drugs - clearly many are. I am saying you just slagged a bunch of people with no edvidence other than "they beat us". Which really is a losers mindset.

Oh...BTW...this...

"but its also the messed up programs these university/college coaches give us when we get track scholarships to run in the USA running us into the ground but thats a whole different show."

...is the worse whining I have ever heard from an athlete before (and yes, I was one at one time - football, NCAA D-I). Same training programs that made some champions "messed up" you and your comtempories. Right...

You have no clue about what goes on in T&F circles so please keep yourself quiet. Many kids are plucked from that island to go run overseas and run a more INTENSE program (I am not talking about training) at their schools than the top USA athletes and are burnt out. So your inclusion of football into this argument is foolish. Alot of junior champs get burnt out quickly and NEVER make it to the senior level. If I need to explain it to you then something must be wrong with you. Oh yeah, alot get asked to run with injuries. Playing as a QB with an injury isnt as serious running rounds upon rounds of a 100 or 200 with an injury.

And so what if the USA has 300 mil and Jamaica has 2.5mil, I am sure you see the results Jamaica gets on the track. Don't you think that is why SO MANY American college coaches come to high champs to take the kids back to America? Do you know how many coaches are there every year? Even the very ORDINARY sprinters get scholarships. You have no clue so if you need to buy one we can work out a special price.

Hey, they even get a few Jamaicans run for them. See Sandra Farmer Patrick(400hurdles), Jerome Young(400m) and the current 400m world leader Sanya Richards. No relation to Sandie Richards who ran for 400m Jamaica. Jamaicans who run for Canada like Ben and DBailey arent really missed that much because the tiny island still produces an enormous about of talent to get by.

that famous 4by1 team for Canada:
2 Jamaicans(Esmie and Bailey), a Trini(Gilbert) and a Haitian(Surin). Imagine them not coming to Canada? Same with that chap from Guyana winning Canada its first ever track medals way back in the day.

No we don't have loser mentality but we know that our talent are seen as THREATS even if you do not think so.

Loser mentality? Who won the last Olys women's 4 by 1? After our girl ate up the stagger on Marion Jones she panicked and the rest was history. Oh VC won the 200 as well. Losers? Jamaican T&F? lol. You better check your facts. Would you like the tape of the 1952 Helsinki 4by4 relay that started it all in Helsinki when Dr Wint (former member of the Royal Air Force-set the Canadian record while there i nthe early 40s) and Dr McKenley put a whipping on the Brits and USA and started the Jamaican track prominence. Oh yeah, Dr Wint winning the flat 400 and Dr Mckenley coming 2nd in 1948 London Oly Games(the 1-2) is what I should say started it. We have produced quite a few T&F champs. Certainly more than nations larger in size/population which has nothing to do with it. We would have won the 1948 4by4 as well but Wint pulled a muscle. Good thing he didnt in 1952 and we won the relay then. We did the 400flat 1-2 in both 1948(Wint and McKenley) and 1952(Rhoden and McKenley). These three men made up the 48 and 52 relay teams. It was since then the US coaches took note.

Over the years at Olys, Worlds and other events such as the Golden League you can go research how many 'losers' we have produced.

Population size does NOT dictate dominance. What sport exactly is India dominating?

PS: Nikole wasnt my friend but she was the top junior sprinter in her day and beat Marion all the time. She got burnt out, injured and didnt run much at senior level because she wasnt the same after even though she was decent. She ran only relays (lead off). Alot of these athletes suffer some serious injuries after getting run into the ground. Some also are asked to run so much that their school work suffer and get sent back home in a hurry when they start to fail that part. Some get career(college) ending injuries and are sent back in a hurry as well.

 

[franky66]

BTW

most Americans on drugs get their shit swept under the rug quickly in case you didnt know.

Marion was never caught, no. Neither was FLO JO!!!!!!!!!!!! If FloJo was running for Canada like Ben was she wouldnt have been allowed to run away without a test being administered. Open your eyes!

Marion is one lucky dame. Ask her two former cheating husbands. CJ Hunter and Tim Montgomery. She may very well be clean. I don't care anyway. So long as Sherone Simpson keeps on beating her.

 

[Von Wigglestaff]

Ben Johnson weighs heavily on Dick Pound's conscience, that is why he is so adamant about going after cheaters. He knew that the Dubin Inquiry was an absolute farce and the rest of the world was laughing at Canada. Ben deserves better.

To this day, that "freshly reamed" look on Carl Lewis's face, at Seoul, remains a priceless moment. That race is still the most awesome sports moment I have ever watched. Ben Johnson is still a hero.

 

[Von Wigglestaff]

Oh,and one more item...drugs or no drugs, Ivan Basso would have smoked Floyd Landis like a cheap cigar.

 

[RTRD]

Yawn...

You have no clue about what goes on in T&F circles so please keep yourself quiet. Many kids are plucked from that island to go run overseas and run a more INTENSE program (I am not talking about training) at their schools than the top USA athletes and are burnt out. So your inclusion of football into this argument is foolish. Alot of junior champs get burnt out quickly and NEVER make it to the senior level. If I need to explain it to you then something must be wrong with you. Oh yeah, alot get asked to run with injuries. Playing as a QB with an injury isnt as serious running rounds upon rounds of a 100 or 200 with an injury.

And so what if the USA has 300 mil and Jamaica has 2.5mil, I am sure you see the results Jamaica gets on the track. Don't you think that is why SO MANY American college coaches come to high champs to take the kids back to America? Do you know how many coaches are there every year? Even the very ORDINARY sprinters get scholarships. You have no clue so if you need to buy one we can work out a special price.

Hey, they even get a few Jamaicans run for them. See Sandra Farmer Patrick(400hurdles), Jerome Young(400m) and the current 400m world leader Sanya Richards. No relation to Sandie Richards who ran for 400m Jamaica. Jamaicans who run for Canada like Ben and DBailey arent really missed that much because the tiny island still produces an enormous about of talent to get by.

that famous 4by1 team for Canada:
2 Jamaicans(Esmie and Bailey), a Trini(Gilbert) and a Haitian(Surin). Imagine them not coming to Canada? Same with that chap from Guyana winning Canada its first ever track medals way back in the day.

No we don't have loser mentality but we know that our talent are seen as THREATS even if you do not think so.

Loser mentality? Who won the last Olys women's 4 by 1? After our girl ate up the stagger on Marion Jones she panicked and the rest was history. Oh VC won the 200 as well. Losers? Jamaican T&F? lol. You better check your facts. Would you like the tape of the 1952 Helsinki 4by4 relay that started it all in Helsinki when Dr Wint (former member of the Royal Air Force-set the Canadian record while there i nthe early 40s) and Dr McKenley put a whipping on the Brits and USA and started the Jamaican track prominence. Oh yeah, Dr Wint winning the flat 400 and Dr Mckenley coming 2nd in 1948 London Oly Games(the 1-2) is what I should say started it. We have produced quite a few T&F champs. Certainly more than nations larger in size/population which has nothing to do with it. We would have won the 1948 4by4 as well but Wint pulled a muscle. Good thing he didnt in 1952 and we won the relay then. We did the 400flat 1-2 in both 1948(Wint and McKenley) and 1952(Rhoden and McKenley). These three men made up the 48 and 52 relay teams. It was since then the US coaches took note.

Over the years at Olys, Worlds and other events such as the Golden League you can go research how many 'losers' we have produced.

Population size does NOT dictate dominance. What sport exactly is India dominating?

PS: Nikole wasnt my friend but she was the top junior sprinter in her day and beat Marion all the time. She got burnt out, injured and didnt run much at senior level because she wasnt the same after even though she was decent. She ran only relays (lead off). Alot of these athletes suffer some serious injuries after getting run into the ground. Some also are asked to run so much that their school work suffer and get sent back home in a hurry when they start to fail that part. Some get career(college) ending injuries and are sent back in a hurry as well.

whine...whine...whine. The world is unfair to Jamaicans...including Ben Johnson.

Yup...there is a great conspiracy to ruin all the Jamaican sprinters...because the U.S. is so threaten by them...so...U.S. colleges recruit them for the sole purpose of running them. Yep - that is it.

You sound incredibly sad...like a person who knew former glory but just can't accept he wasn't good enough - thus has to blame someone or something else.

What would you like the U.S. to do for you now? Buy you a cookie?

I suspect your fellow Jamaicans would just as well not have you representing and making excuses for them...because I wasn't calling Jamaican T&F losers...obviously they have done well...but it is just you here crying about how unfair life is...

"No we don't have loser mentality but we know that our talent are seen as THREATS even if you do not think so."

Our talent? Umm...when is the last time YOU ran in a international competition?

Time to let go, move on. You were good - back in juniors. Go back to waxing about you blonde ex GF...

 

[franky66]

whine...whine...whine. The world is unfair to Jamaicans...including Ben Johnson.

Yup...there is a great conspiracy to ruin all the Jamaican sprinters...because the U.S. is so threaten by them...so...U.S. colleges recruit them for the sole purpose of running them. Yep - that is it.

You sound incredibly sad...like a person who knew former glory but just can't accept he wasn't good enough - thus has to blame someone or something else.

What would you like the U.S. to do for you now? Buy you a cookie?

I suspect your fellow Jamaicans would just as well not have you representing and making excuses for them...because I wasn't calling Jamaican T&F losers...obviously they have done well...but it is just you here crying about how unfair life is...

"No we don't have loser mentality but we know that our talent are seen as THREATS even if you do not think so."

Our talent? Umm...when is the last time YOU ran in a international competition?

Time to let go, move on. You were good - back in juniors. Go back to waxing about you blonde ex GF...


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1) not ex GF. Ex wife and mother of our 5 year old daughter.

2) Our talent because I am Jamaican. Can't a Canadian say "our hockey team" without even being a former team Canada member?? You sound like an extreme duncebat with the intelligence of a peanut.

3) I never said anything about life being unfair. I said coming from within these "circles" and seeing how things work from the INSIDE I know what I know and that is a hell of a lot more than YOU do. Stick to college football. T&F and its inner workings are beyond your comprehension. How hilarious is this that someone cannot point out what goes on without being deemed to be complaining? Who is complaining? I am of the notion that you go about your business and do your thing. The rest will fall into place. Tim Montgomery and now Gatlin and everyone else in between before and after. Do you see how fast the Greek god of 200m disappeared? He and the Greek lady Thanou are done! Cheaters eventually get caught and banished. Stay tuned!

4) I wasnt good enough to compete in the individual events hence I ran relays which I am satisfied with. Unlike alot of kids who needed track scholarships to get by I didn't. I was actually an A student who played many sports at junior/club level (tennis, cricket, football-aka-soccer) for FUN!!!! I came from a well off family so I didnt even need the academic scholarship I got from the USA hence I went instead to England for university. We could afford 7K sterling (in tuition alone) a year easily. I played many sports for fun and so did my little sister who is now a medical doctor. She was on the national netball and junior track team. After juniors my sister and I didnt pursue sports as a career. We had "other" things we were good at. At least I was able to compete for my country albeit at junior level. Perhaps you wish you could have. So no, I am not hanging on to former glory or bitching about what could have been. I was never interested in sports as a career. I was too injury prone for that and I did these things for fun.

Last but not least.......
5) Ben Johnson was treated unfairly???? How so? Did you see me say that?? I would love for you to show me where I said ben got treated unfairly. I bet you can't point out.

I think you lack basic comprehension so until you buy a clue, a brain or at least get a paradigm shift conversing with you would be about as fruitful as making Elton John over into a straight man.

PS: Why do you think alot of Jamaica's top talent are being held back and not being sent to the USA for college any more? They are trying to make GC Foster College work properly so that the track talent doesnt have to go to the USA and can stay and attend GC Foster. UWI is a great university BUT they don't give track scholarships (or at least never used to)

Asafa Powell didnt go to the USA for college. Same with a few others. My only wish is Asafa keeps his piss clean. I know if he had been dirty all along he would have been taken down long ago. Who knows. Maybe now that Gatlin the American darling seems to be going down Asafa's turn under the gun and the lights will come. He better keep his shit clean is all I say

 

[Esco!]

BTW
most Americans on drugs get their shit swept under the rug quickly in case you didnt know.

Thats total bullshit, this week Gatlin (100 Meter olympic winner) got nailed for steroids.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/5228060.stm

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[Garrett]

Thats total bullshit, this week Gatlin (100 Meter olympic winner) got nailed for steroids.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/5228060.stm

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Well the quoted article has Dick Pound saying exactly the same thing... so not exactly bullshit.

 

[Esco!]

Well the quoted article has Dick Pound saying exactly the same thing... so not exactly bullshit.

Just because Pound says so doesnt make it true.
Didnt he also say 80% of NHL players are on performance enhancing drugs????
I think he later apologized for it

 

[RTRD]

Yawn....

1) not ex GF. Ex wife and mother of our 5 year old daughter.

2) Our talent because I am Jamaican. Can't a Canadian say "our hockey team" without even being a former team Canada member?? You sound like an extreme duncebat with the intelligence of a peanut.

3) I never said anything about life being unfair. I said coming from within these "circles" and seeing how things work from the INSIDE I know what I know and that is a hell of a lot more than YOU do. Stick to college football. T&F and its inner workings are beyond your comprehension. How hilarious is this that someone cannot point out what goes on without being deemed to be complaining? Who is complaining? I am of the notion that you go about your business and do your thing. The rest will fall into place. Tim Montgomery and now Gatlin and everyone else in between before and after. Do you see how fast the Greek god of 200m disappeared? He and the Greek lady Thanou are done! Cheaters eventually get caught and banished. Stay tuned!

4) I wasnt good enough to compete in the individual events hence I ran relays which I am satisfied with. Unlike alot of kids who needed track scholarships to get by I didn't. I was actually an A student who played many sports at junior/club level (tennis, cricket, football-aka-soccer) for FUN!!!! I came from a well off family so I didnt even need the academic scholarship I got from the USA hence I went instead to England for university. We could afford 7K sterling (in tuition alone) a year easily. I played many sports for fun and so did my little sister who is now a medical doctor. She was on the national netball and junior track team. After juniors my sister and I didnt pursue sports as a career. We had "other" things we were good at. At least I was able to compete for my country albeit at junior level. Perhaps you wish you could have. So no, I am not hanging on to former glory or bitching about what could have been. I was never interested in sports as a career. I was too injury prone for that and I did these things for fun.

Last but not least.......
5) Ben Johnson was treated unfairly???? How so? Did you see me say that?? I would love for you to show me where I said ben got treated unfairly. I bet you can't point out.

I think you lack basic comprehension so until you buy a clue, a brain or at least get a paradigm shift conversing with you would be about as fruitful as making Elton John over into a straight man.

PS: Why do you think alot of Jamaica's top talent are being held back and not being sent to the USA for college any more? They are trying to make GC Foster College work properly so that the track talent doesnt have to go to the USA and can stay and attend GC Foster. UWI is a great university BUT they don't give track scholarships (or at least never used to)

Asafa Powell didnt go to the USA for college. Same with a few others. My only wish is Asafa keeps his piss clean. I know if he had been dirty all along he would have been taken down long ago. Who knows. Maybe now that Gatlin the American darling seems to be going down Asafa's turn under the gun and the lights will come. He better keep his shit clean is all I say

So…great...I'll claim every NBA stars’ talent as my own too...I didn't know it worked that way.

It is possible to point out what is going wrong without being seen as complaining. You weren't. You were whining about how you were cheated and everyone else was cheated and about grads conspiracies and the evil empire. The sort of stuff that typically gets you locked up in the looney bin if it weren't on a message board. Mostly though you were taking shots at people without proof, which is what I took exception to.

BTW...between the name dropping and the "bragging" about what your family could afford easily, your insecurities a really coming through...because your sister being a doctor is really relevant to this thread as well (an opportunity to brag AND name drop all at once...)

BTW - you'll explain how / why the difference between Ex-GF and EX-Wife is relevant here, won't you?

You know, when people used to jump your ass for being such a rant I was inclined to take your side because usually you were on the side of right in regards to issues like racism and others.

This time though you are just being a self absorbed wanna be poser prick. “Our” talent…”A” student…my sister is a doctor…scholarships…how much your parents paid for your education (like 7,000 pounds is a lot of money...)..the Miss Universe you used to date (as though THAT were relevant to this thread as well)…I mean gawd damn man, we all have alternate “cyber” egos and personalities, but you are just fucking out of control.

Get a fucking grip. STFU, sit down and get over yourself already. The Jamaican T&F team is doing just fine without you, and they don’t need your help now. You are simply making an ass of yourself.

 

[slowandeasy]

their sport or their event? As for that quip Yanks(in so many sports) are the new kings of doping

They are making the Chinese and former East germans look like pansies in this regard.

NOPE... The East German particularly those East German women are still the best examples of doping...

 

[slowandeasy]

Ben Johnson weighs heavily on Dick Pound's conscience, that is why he is so adamant about going after cheaters. He knew that the Dubin Inquiry was an absolute farce and the rest of the world was laughing at Canada. Ben deserves better.

To this day, that "freshly reamed" look on Carl Lewis's face, at Seoul, remains a priceless moment. That race is still the most awesome sports moment I have ever watched. Ben Johnson is still a hero.

I am quite sure that I read how Lewis had failed a USOC test or two (before the Seoul Games) but still was allowed to competed by the USOC....

BTW, I am sure that the USOC is not the only ones who swept positive tests under the carpet... I don't know all the details, but it would be simple for a country's Olympic Committee to administer the tests then warn their athletes (maybe even provide help) in either getting clean in time for the olympics...

 

[slowandeasy]

Ben Johnson weighs heavily on Dick Pound's conscience, that is why he is so adamant about going after cheaters. He knew that the Dubin Inquiry was an absolute farce and the rest of the world was laughing at Canada. Ben deserves better.

To this day, that "freshly reamed" look on Carl Lewis's face, at Seoul, remains a priceless moment. That race is still the most awesome sports moment I have ever watched. Ben Johnson is still a hero.

I loved that look from Lewis... Ben is not my hero, but he was crucified over that test, and made to look like he was the only one cheating...

I am quite sure that I read how Lewis had failed a USOC test or two (before the Seoul Games) but still was allowed to competed by the USOC....

BTW, I am sure that the USOC is not the only ones who swept positive tests under the carpet... I don't know all the details, but it would be simple for a country's Olympic Committee to administer the tests then warn their athletes (maybe even provide help) in either getting clean in time for the olympics...

.[/QUOTE]

 

[Geoff]

I don't know all the details, but it would be simple for a country's Olympic Committee to administer the tests then warn their athletes (maybe even provide help) in either getting clean in time for the olympics...

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[/QUOTE]


This is how the E Germans came to power back in the mid 70's.

 

[Scorpion King]

So…great...I'll claim every NBA stars, talent as my own too...I didn't know it worked that way.

It is possible to point out what is going wrong without being seen as complaining. You weren't. You were whining about how you were cheated and everyone else was cheated and about grads conspiracies and the evil empire. The sort of stuff that typically gets you locked up in the looney bin if it weren't on a message board. Mostly though you were taking shots at people without proof, which is what I took exception to.

BTW...between the name dropping and the "bragging" about what your family could afford easily, your insecurities a really coming through...because your sister being a doctor is really relevant to this thread as well (an opportunity to brag AND name drop all at once...)

BTW - you'll explain how / why the difference between Ex-GF and EX-Wife is relevant here, won't you?

You know, when people used to jump your ass for being such a rant I was inclined to take your side because usually you were on the side of right in regards to issues like racism and others.

This time though you are just being a self absorbed wanna poser prick. “Our” talent…”A” student…my sister is a doctor…scholarships…how much your parents paid for your education (like 7,000 pounds is a lot of money...)..the Miss Universe you used to date (as though THAT were relevant to this thread as well)…I mean gawd damn man, we all have alternate “cyber” egos and personalities, but you are just fucking out of control.

Get a fucking grip. STFU, sit down and get over yourself already. The Jamaican T&F team is doing just fine without you, and they don’t need your help now. You are simply making an ass of yourself.

Ding, ding, ding.

Let's get reeeeeeeaddddddeeeeee to rummmmmmmbllllllle.

(a bad Michael Buffer impression).

In the Black n Gold corner, Fighting out of Jamaica we have......

....Oh wait... that's boxing.

Sorry guys. Wrong sport.

(why cant we all just get along??).

SK.

 

[franky66]

So…great...I'll claim every NBA stars’ talent as my own too...I didn't know it worked that way.

HUH?? The NBA is just like club football in England. If you are a supporter of ManU like I am then that is my team although I am not from Manchester(not even the one in Jamaica where Donovan Bailey is from). An Englishman will say "our lads" when speaking of the English football team. He isnt allowed? A Canadian will say "our hockey team" when speak of Team Canada. Does this logic escape you pea brain??? Did you attend school in August by any chance?

It is possible to point out what is going wrong without being seen as complaining. You weren't. You were whining about how you were cheated and everyone else was cheated and about grads conspiracies and the evil empire. The sort of stuff that typically gets you locked up in the looney bin if it weren't on a message board. Mostly though you were taking shots at people without proof, which is what I took exception to.

Ummm, who did I take shots at without proof? CJ Hunter, Tim and Gatlin were CAUGHT. Marion went into hiding when certain issues came to light and we all know Flo Jo's story. She retired days after Big Ben was busted. Use your brain, if you have one. Flo Jo started to grow mouthstache. What you think made that possible? lol. Why do you think she retired right after Ben got caught?

BTW...between the name dropping and the "bragging" about what your family could afford easily, your insecurities a really coming through...because your sister being a doctor is really relevant to this thread as well (an opportunity to brag AND name drop all at once...)

You are a dunce. My point in pointing this out is to show YOU that I didnt need to pursue T&F as a career like others. Same with my sister who chose to be a doctor over being a sprinter. Me thinks you are upset that certain people you wouldnt expect to be very well educated actually are. It hot, but hush. Just suck it up. Another thing, I stated I went to England instead of America for uni because of the career path I chose. You SOUGHT TO BERATE my accomplishments as T&F athlete. You thought you could do that and get away with it? Did you see me insulting you based on the fact you didnt make it pass NCAA football? Oh no, I didnt want to be childish like you were. I gave my reasons for not going on to senior level sprinting. I am just fine where I am. That is what is eating you up.

BTW - you'll explain how / why the difference between Ex-GF and EX-Wife is relevant here, won't you?

If I need to explain this to you then you are..................In any event, you brought her into this in the first place so I reserve the right to correct you.

You know, when people used to jump your ass for being such a rant I was inclined to take your side because usually you were on the side of right in regards to issues like racism and others.

You are a sad man. You are on this board seeking the approval of others and want them to like and love you?? Well, I don't. I don't need you to take my side. I am a man. I can handle myself and protect my own. You keep on seeking validation from characters on an MB while I live life in the real world with issues that immediately affect me and my child. The only person on this planet I need to love me and approve of me is 5 year old daughter.

This time though you are just being a self absorbed wanna be poser prick. “Our” talent…”A” student…my sister is a doctor…scholarships…how much your parents paid for your education (like 7,000 pounds is a lot of money...)..the Miss Universe you used to date (as though THAT were relevant to this thread as well)…I mean gawd damn man, we all have alternate “cyber” egos and personalities, but you are just fucking out of control.

Here is a kleenex moment if there ever was one. Cry me a river. You upset to find out I am not a dunderhead like you? Like I said before, it hot, but hush. Where did I say I dated Miss Universe? You keep making false accusations. What is the matter with you? Either you lack basic comprehension or you simply cannot read. Did you buy your degree???? Or did you give all your professors 'brains' in order to graduate? Go ahead and re-read the thread and see your folly you silly ingrate. 7000 pounds a year i tuition and another 7000pounds a year on accomodation is quite alot of money to people growing up on that island. In case you didnt know its a third world country. Do you know what the average wages are? There is a reason people chase scholarships. You really are a clueless git. To this day thats money I dont play around with. It is alot of money to me. Since it isnt to you, why not travel to the states, stay in the Trump plaza and pay a well known pornstar for 3 hours of fun. When you are done come back and report it to us? I'll let you know which pornstar to see. Team work MLAM, teamwork.

Get a fucking grip. STFU, sit down and get over yourself already. The Jamaican T&F team is doing just fine without you, and they don’t need your help now. You are simply making an ass of yourself.

Here you switch from cry baby mode into a frothing at the mouth and the ass at once since that is where your head is located right about now. Jamaican T&F team is doing fine without me? How does this affect the price of curry in Berbice?? What kind of childish shyte is that? Of course it is doing fine without me. It will also do fine without Sherone Simpson and Asafa when they retire just as how it is now doing fine without Dr Wint et al.

I mean, Brazil did just fine without Pele( 1994 and 2002). So what? Italy did fine without Paolo Rossi(2006). Liverpool won the CL without Bill Shankly so I guess they did just fine without him.

I could go on and on but why bother. Oh yeah, I should do so if only to make it sink into your puny brain.

You are a bloody simpleton. Quite dotish in fact. I am now convinced you bought your degree. You would have been better served buying a flipping clue and personality.

Run along, scout. Return to the fold if you somehow acquire a brain capable of basic comprehension.

ta! and Hejdå!

 

[slowandeasy]

HOLY SHIT....

MLAM and Franky
No need for the white man to beat a brother down... you two fellas are doing a good job all by yourselves... carry on then..... nice to see that your vitrol does not descriminate....

 

[xdog]

Nothing wrong with 2 guys debating. The skin colour of either participant should not matter. No differant than 2 whites or asians having a minor disagreement.


x^

 

[franky66]

According to a new report out, some of the testosterone in Floyd Landis' system at Tour de France was synthetic and not naturally produced by his body as he claimed.

Like to see him show up on Larry King and argue that one away. He is finished with. First guy to be ever stripped of a Tour de France victory.

you think he will just disappear from the public eye? Will sheer shame set it in?

 

[Geoff]

I think that the report about the testosterone being synthetic is just the French being French and trying to make matters worse here.

If this was the case it would have been acknowledged in the first report.