Blaming all that on the Scarborough line! LOL! I was going through Warsaw,in a frigging Poland (!), they managed to build almost 30 kilometers since 1995. Look at Madrid and other jurisdictions. Do you know how our city would look like if we built 30 km of subways every 20 years? Why, we'd be New York City. Instead of provincial, overpopulated, underserved hole, pretending to be a world class city.
King street pilot project
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Tory has proven himself to be an ineffectual mayor. He's just not a dreamer or a builder. He's a stuffed shirt. Good at talking in front of a TV camera, but that's about it.
Say what you want about Ford, he did manage to get the subway extended out to Scarborough some how. (Even if it was a silly move.)
Toronto needs a Queen Street line. Right from Sherway to Victoria Park .
We should be building it in phases just like they did when the Bloor Line was extended out to Kipling way back when.
And Bloor should be extended to Sherway also.
Say what you want about Ford, he did manage to get the subway extended out to Scarborough some how. (Even if it was a silly move.)
Toronto needs a Queen Street line. Right from Sherway to Victoria Park .
We should be building it in phases just like they did when the Bloor Line was extended out to Kipling way back when.
And Bloor should be extended to Sherway also.
And it seems like the rails have to be dug up and replace don't every two years, causing more congestion and billions of dollars in repairs. Get rid of streetcars....
Street cars move far more people than buses ever will and with 0 pollution.
Street cars are not going anywhere and rightfully so.
Street cars are not going anywhere and rightfully so.
Buses that run on juice also have 0 pollution: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tr...ses-targets-emissions-free-fleet-by-2040.html
How do you figure that?? Do streetcars have more seats then buses??
I havent ridden the TTC for over 15 years, so thats news to me
Would you rather see an increase in taxes to pay for a King Street subway?
I'm on King regularly. Even if there were no streetcars, it would be much faster to walk than drive in rush hour. It is an extremely busy area and it makes sense to get rid of low capacity transport options. If that subway ever got put in then I'd be fine with suckers in cars stuck in traffic like there is on Bloor. As it is, streetcars carrying 100 people is far more efficient than cars carrying 1 (or even 4). If you take the time to commute along King you will see that despite the issues with streetcars, it is the preferred option. Transit users will be happier once the changes get fully implemented.
New streetcars have 70 seats, 251 maximum capacity. Older streetcars have 46 seats, max capacity 132. Can't find seat numbers for buses but maximum capacity is 55.
The new street cars have a capacity of 250.
The old street cars have a capacity of 130
A bus? 44 seats for a typical bus with a capacity of about 60 or so.
Also, street cars last a lot longer than buses. Typically a street car will last 30 years.
Hmm, I consider Philadelphia and Saint-Petersburg, Russia to both be major cities.
I think its because Toronto built them really early (in 1861), and probably thought they looked nice, so they left them there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_streetcar_system
I guess these are not major cities?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcars_in_North_America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Europe
Streetcars can work well, but we've made some really dumb decisions in Toronto that prevents them from being anywhere near efficient.
The trend in the 1960's to the 1980's was to ditch streetcars, but a group in Toronto led by Jane Jacobs organized to stop that trend. She also lobbied to stop the Spadina Expressway, which resulted in the University subway line being built instead.
I was in Vancouver last summer, and IMO they had the right idea when they built their Skytrains. There is only one major drawback however, the cement rails that they're built on is a huge eyesore and ugly to look at. But they are very effective for getting people around:
Besides San Fran and Mexico city I wouldn't consider those major cities.
The first sentence in this link reads: Electric streetcars or trolley(car)s (North American English for the European word tram) were once the chief mode of public transit in hundreds of North American cities and towns. Most of the original urban streetcar systems were either dismantled in the mid-20th century or converted to other modes of operation, such as light rail. Today, only Toronto still operates a streetcar network essentially unchanged in layout and mode of operation.
Besides San Fran, none of those would be considered first class. The ghettos of Detroit, Atlanta, Portland, DC would disqualify them instantly.
Lots of these appear to be upgraded to light rail trains.
^^^^ yeah, I have to agree with smallcock. An LRT would work much better in Toronto, but do we have the space for it?? I know downtown for sure we dont
Because keeping them is cheaper than building subways and LRTs, especially in an already dense developed area. Buses are a no-go for the number of riders on the King route.
Sadly the refusal of people to accept that taxes are needed to pay for the other options.
Normally you are spot on. Not today
Since when is all electricity produced with Zero pollution .
