Keto Diet

Belle De Jour

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I just started the Keto diet. I did some research before starting. I read the book Ketotarian, as I don't eat meat. The book has options of Vegetarian, Vegan and for Vegaquarian(if you eat fish). So far I've been on it on it for a couple days and have been seeing the pounds dropping. I'm also doing intermittent fasting. Have any of you tried it? How was your experience? For how long? What's your overall opinion?

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I have lost 40 pounds and I am no longer diabetic. Probably the best thing I have ever done
 

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I have debated about going full Keto, I've been on a modified version for the past month. You do notice a difference. My version, I have limited the red meat intake and more fish.
I have cut out a majority of the carbs, but do treat myself to a small about of bread or pasta. I will most likely full Keto in the upcoming months.

Good luck
 

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Combining Keto with intermittent fasting is ideal. Are you using a 6,8 or the hard but doable 4-hour eating window?
 

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The problem with keto diet and rapid weight loss is that you get a fatty liver, which in turn can lead to fibrosis and cirrhosis. That's' why many yo yo dieters and crash dieters have fatty liver....the weight loss needs to be slow. Also I new study came out in relation to diets high in fat. I prefer a LC medit. higher in protein.

New research shows how a fatty diet can lead to life-threatening liver disease

A new study by Keck School of Medicine of USC researchers shows there's yet another reason to avoid a high fat, high cholesterol diet: It can trigger changes in the immune system that lead to a serious form of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) known as non-alcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH).

NAFLD is one of the most common causes of liver disease in the United States, and an estimated 20 percent of people with NAFLD have NASH. NASH can eventually progress to cirrhosis or liver cancer, especially in those with obesity or Type 2 diabetes. Patients with NAFLD are also at an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.

"Despite its increasing prevalence and burden to the health care system, there are currently no U.S. Food and Drug Administration-approved therapies for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease," says the study's corresponding author, Hugo Rosen, MD, professor and chair of the Department of Medicine at the Keck School. "There's an urgent need to better understand the causes of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease progression so that successful therapeutics can be designed and brought into clinical practice."

The study, published in Hepatology, illuminates how a toxic combination of dietary fat and cholesterol impacts the behavior of macrophages, a type of white blood cell, in the liver. Using a mouse model, the study details the cascade of events in the immune system that eventually leads to the type of liver inflammation and scarring that is commonly seen in patients with NASH.

After feeding mice diets with varying levels of fat and cholesterol, the team found that the combination of both had a synergistically detrimental action on the genes regulating liver inflammation and scarring. Oxidized low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, in particular, directly altered gene expression in both human and mouse macrophages associated with inflammation and scar formation.

The group also identified a novel type of reparative macrophage that counteracts the inflammation.

"Not only does this study define how fat and cholesterol shape the progression of liver inflammation and scarring, but it also identifies potential pathways that can be targeted for future therapies. That could bring us closer to finding a treatment for a disease that impacts millions of lives around the world," he says. "Here at the Keck School, we are committed to building a cutting-edge research and clinical program that identifies mechanisms of NASH, non-invasive approaches for diagnosis and risk stratification, and clinical implementation of novel strategies for treatment."

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018...4LkYEzscwHX8v_W0jr5hpjxiE2SDyLSHkELAyyJjxxzWc
 

hi_there

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The problem with keto diet and rapid weight loss is that you get a fatty liver, which in turn can lead to fibrosis and cirrhosis. That's' why many yo yo dieters and crash dieters have fatty liver....the weight loss needs to be slow. Also I new study came out in relation to diets high in fat. I prefer a LC medit. higher in protein.

New research shows how a fatty diet can lead to life-threatening liver disease

A new study by Keck School of Medicine of USC researchers shows there's yet another reason to avoid a high fat, high cholesterol diet: It can trigger changes in the immune system that lead to a serious form of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) known as non-alcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH).

NAFLD is one of the most common causes of liver disease in the United States, and an estimated 20 percent of people with NAFLD have NASH. NASH can eventually progress to cirrhosis or liver cancer, especially in those with obesity or Type 2 diabetes. Patients with NAFLD are also at an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.

"Despite its increasing prevalence and burden to the health care system, there are currently no U.S. Food and Drug Administration-approved therapies for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease," says the study's corresponding author, Hugo Rosen, MD, professor and chair of the Department of Medicine at the Keck School. "There's an urgent need to better understand the causes of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease progression so that successful therapeutics can be designed and brought into clinical practice."

The study, published in Hepatology, illuminates how a toxic combination of dietary fat and cholesterol impacts the behavior of macrophages, a type of white blood cell, in the liver. Using a mouse model, the study details the cascade of events in the immune system that eventually leads to the type of liver inflammation and scarring that is commonly seen in patients with NASH.

After feeding mice diets with varying levels of fat and cholesterol, the team found that the combination of both had a synergistically detrimental action on the genes regulating liver inflammation and scarring. Oxidized low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, in particular, directly altered gene expression in both human and mouse macrophages associated with inflammation and scar formation.

The group also identified a novel type of reparative macrophage that counteracts the inflammation.

"Not only does this study define how fat and cholesterol shape the progression of liver inflammation and scarring, but it also identifies potential pathways that can be targeted for future therapies. That could bring us closer to finding a treatment for a disease that impacts millions of lives around the world," he says. "Here at the Keck School, we are committed to building a cutting-edge research and clinical program that identifies mechanisms of NASH, non-invasive approaches for diagnosis and risk stratification, and clinical implementation of novel strategies for treatment."

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018...4LkYEzscwHX8v_W0jr5hpjxiE2SDyLSHkELAyyJjxxzWc
Than there are studies out there that say cholesterol is ok and in fact has many health benefits.

Quite frankly the best thing to do is just cut out sugars and carbohydrates and just eat balanced. Go for leafy greens and proteins. Go for good fats such as avacado and meat. Stay away from anything processed.
 

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Than there are studies out there that say cholesterol is ok and in fact has many health benefits.

Quite frankly the best thing to do is just cut out sugars and carbohydrates and just eat balanced. Go for leafy greens and proteins. Go for good fats such as avacado and meat. Stay away from anything processed.
That's what I do...i cut out sugar and flour. Have large salads for lunch and dinner, lots of veggies, olive oil and more protein than fat. I rather have the extra protein than the fat like keto.
 

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I believe clogged arteries and blood vessels may also be possible from all that fat in the system.

The other thing is that a constant keto diet is very very hard to sustain in the long term , especially in social settings. Eat clean (cut processed sugars and trans fats during the week alongside IF, and be sure to give yourself a reasonable cheat day once a week. Combined with a reasonable amount of activity and excercise should yield consistent, safe and maintenable results.

The problem with keto diet and rapid weight loss is that you get a fatty liver, which in turn can lead to fibrosis and cirrhosis. That's' why many yo yo dieters and crash dieters have fatty liver....the weight loss needs to be slow. Also I new study came out in relation to diets high in fat. I prefer a LC medit. higher in protein.

New research shows how a fatty diet can lead to life-threatening liver disease

A new study by Keck School of Medicine of USC researchers shows there's yet another reason to avoid a high fat, high cholesterol diet: It can trigger changes in the immune system that lead to a serious form of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) known as non-alcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH).

NAFLD is one of the most common causes of liver disease in the United States, and an estimated 20 percent of people with NAFLD have NASH. NASH can eventually progress to cirrhosis or liver cancer, especially in those with obesity or Type 2 diabetes. Patients with NAFLD are also at an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.

"Despite its increasing prevalence and burden to the health care system, there are currently no U.S. Food and Drug Administration-approved therapies for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease," says the study's corresponding author, Hugo Rosen, MD, professor and chair of the Department of Medicine at the Keck School. "There's an urgent need to better understand the causes of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease progression so that successful therapeutics can be designed and brought into clinical practice."

The study, published in Hepatology, illuminates how a toxic combination of dietary fat and cholesterol impacts the behavior of macrophages, a type of white blood cell, in the liver. Using a mouse model, the study details the cascade of events in the immune system that eventually leads to the type of liver inflammation and scarring that is commonly seen in patients with NASH.

After feeding mice diets with varying levels of fat and cholesterol, the team found that the combination of both had a synergistically detrimental action on the genes regulating liver inflammation and scarring. Oxidized low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, in particular, directly altered gene expression in both human and mouse macrophages associated with inflammation and scar formation.

The group also identified a novel type of reparative macrophage that counteracts the inflammation.

"Not only does this study define how fat and cholesterol shape the progression of liver inflammation and scarring, but it also identifies potential pathways that can be targeted for future therapies. That could bring us closer to finding a treatment for a disease that impacts millions of lives around the world," he says. "Here at the Keck School, we are committed to building a cutting-edge research and clinical program that identifies mechanisms of NASH, non-invasive approaches for diagnosis and risk stratification, and clinical implementation of novel strategies for treatment."

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018...4LkYEzscwHX8v_W0jr5hpjxiE2SDyLSHkELAyyJjxxzWc
 

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Ive been doing keto for approximately 3 months.

Ive been 224lbs for over 15 years and never really fluctuated. I never thought myself as over weight as I am near 6ft and carry more muscle mass than the average guy. I have a small belly and love handles. I have never had a six pack that I can remember.

I have lost 26lbs since I first started. shrinking a couple inches on my pants from a 36 to probably a 33. I have an outline of a six pack. I do feel that I may be getting to thin since I think I look sickly. my face looks very thin. I also believe I may have lost some muscle mass however my strength seems to be the same. the swelling in my knee has also gone down. energy is great.

I have a difficult time believing most research since there is a lot of bias. from my own experience it has been a good diet, but something I would only do intermittently(cycle on and off). I dont have an urge to feed as much as I used to as my blood sugar no longer spikes. food has also become no longer pleasurable. this bothers me.

I do like the idea of some carbs, sticking mostly to fruit. I think there is a reason why some veggies are bitter to the taste. its a natural way of our bodies telling us not to eat them as they may be difficult to digest or in some way poisoness(not kill you but not great for your body).

I will probably start adding things outside of keto foods to my diet and observe the reactions. its interesting being a human guinea pig.

I will also be getting my blood work results next week. so it will be interesting to see the effects this diet has had on my body.
 

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I guess any and all diets have a positive and a negative. I assume this is just one study. I have read more good than bad about it.
I did Keto for about 6weeks and it worked well although weight loss and mental energy slowed down around 1he 4.5week mark. I think intermittent fasting works well too and both work best with a good exercise regime. Short and intense workouts rev your metabolism up for hours afterwards. 30min of cardio before breakfast accelerates weight loss also. Your metabolism will learn more towards fat burning when your body is low on carbs.

The best program to follow is the one you stick to consistently.


Best of luck on your journey,

Godfazha.
 

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You guys know you're loosing weight because of a calorie deficit and not because of ketosis right?

The "bro science" in this post is out of control.

My advice, ALWAYS choose the diet that is easier to adhere to for yourself and that will be sustainable in the long run.
Keep in mind staying healthy is the main priority.
 

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You guys know you're loosing weight because of a calorie deficit and not because of ketosis right?

The "bro science" in this post is out of control.

My advice, ALWAYS choose the diet that is easier to adhere to for yourself and that will be sustainable in the long run.
Keep in mind staying healthy is the main priority.
So many people who have no idea about the keto diet commenting here.
Keto isn't about calorie reduction, you can eat as much as you want and lose weight and feel better.
Its about learning that carbs stuff you and fat satisfies you.
If you haven't tried it, don't knock it.
 

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So many people who have no idea about the keto diet commenting here.
Keto isn't about calorie reduction, you can eat as much as you want and lose weight and feel better.
Its about learning that carbs stuff you and fat satisfies you.
If you haven't tried it, don't knock it.
Without a caloric deficit you don't lose weight.
If you have a calorie surplus you gain weight.
Don't be ignorant, that is science.
 

Belle De Jour

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Wrong.
If Keto is the way you find the easiest to control the amount of calories you consume then great, but it's not magic.
Have you personally done Keto? Because this forum is strictly for people who have experience with Keto. Unless you have physically have done Keto, I'm not really interested in what you have to say. I can honestly tell you that it has nothing to do with calories. On my first days of Keto I was eating high fat low carb and I lost 8 pounds. That's me eating as much as I want as long as it follows the guidelines it works.
 
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