Kessel Trade... a fleecing?

[2canchew]

How is the Kessel trade a fleecing ?
08/09 - 36 goals ( a first line center in Savard )
09-10 - 30 goals ( no first rate center ) - ( 13 game goaless drought )
10/11 - 30 goals ( and counting ) - ( again, no first rate center ) - ( 15? game goaless drought )

2010 - 11 power play goals - ranked 7 in the NHL
2008/2009 - 28 even strength goals - ranked 7 in the NHL
2008/2009 - 0.51 goals per game - ranked 8 in the NHL

I ask, how is this trade a fleecing.
I understand that you never give up a 1rst round, potential #1or #2 overall pick, but it seems that Burke was right, Kessel is a proven, perennial, 30 goal score.
Nobody knows what your going to get in the draft, every GM has high hopes for there draft picks, but lets face it, some of them don't work out the way they should , here is a top 10 list form Scott Lewis a respected hockey journalist , just to prove my point :

10 Pat Falloon 1991 San Jose Sharks 1st round (2nd overall)
9 Alexandr Svitov2001 Tampa Bay Lightning 1st round (3rd overall)
8 Bryan Fogarty1987 Quebec Nordiques 1st round (9th overall)
7 Doug Wickenheiser1980 Montreal Canadiens 1st round (1st overall)
6 Brett Lindros1994 New York Islanders 1st round (9th overall)
5 Scott Scissons1990 New York Islanders 1st round (6th overall)
4 Jason Bonsignore1994 Edmonton Oilers 1st round (4th overall)
3 Patrik Stefan1999 Atlanta Thrashers 1st round (1st overall)
2 Brian Lawton1983 Minnesota North Stars 1st round (1st overall)

And the number 1 pick that had all Sens fans grabbing for there guns....
Alexandre Daigle1993 Ottawa Senators 1st round (1st overall)

If Seguin is added to this list, and considering that Toronto has very few balls in the draft lottery this year, I ask again..... how is this a fleecing ?

 

[tribunus]

Not a fleecing but still a unwise trade because you never trade unprotected 1sts if you're not likely to be a playoff team. Everything went wrong in 2010 and the #2 overall was viewed as just as good as the #1 overall in the draft by most. Seguin will be a star, and all these stat comparisons I see between 18 (now 19) year Seguin and 23 Kessel are plain stupid.

What makes the trade worst is that Burke did not need to give up his 2011 1st, and he paid the guy $5.4 mil to boot.

 

[HOF]

The statistics show today that the TMLs have 0.03 chance of making the playoffs!

Regardless of the Kessel trade or his stats, if a team doesn't make the playoffs, who cares about individual stats. My thought is anything less winning the cup is a losing season.

Kudos to Vancouver with the President's trophy but it's not the cup.

 

[GlavaMan]

09-10 - - ( 13 game goaless trout )
10/11 - ( 15? game goaless trout )

Sounds a little fishy to me!

 

[2canchew]

I am not the Terb Administrator but come on ...

There is a thread already with this topic ... I am surprised there aren't threads created .. Leafs are up 1-0 in a game and then another thread
1-1 .. I know I am exaggerating but come on .. Blue Jays posters don't post a new thread every day ...

Thread: Is the Kessel trade the greatest fleecing in NHL history? Look this topic has been discussed to death and if you want to discuss it add it again ...

Relax, Ya there is a post, asking if the trade was the biggest, Now Iam asking why is it a fleecing... it might be the same topic but totally different meaning.
Didn't mean to piss you off. Maybe you should go for the Mod opening.

 

[gcostanza]

Or trout fishing .

 

[2canchew]

Sounds a little fishy to me!

Dam, What a idiot, I even read it over lol. Drought

 

[2canchew]

The statistics show today that the TMLs have 0.03 chance of making the playoffs!

Regardless of the Kessel trade or his stats, if a team doesn't make the playoffs, who cares about individual stats. My thought is anything less winning the cup is a losing season.

Kudos to Vancouver with the President's trophy but it's not the cup.

Have to agree,anything less than the cup is a losing season, I'm looking for anything positive, I think the trade was good but maybe not at that price. The leafs are taking a real chance that kessel pans out for the long haul, so far it's working out.

Is winning the President's trophy a curse ?
I hope they win the cup...I don't think le Canadiens will make it out of the first round.

 

[GlavaMan]

Tom Kurvers for a first round pick (Scott Neidermeyer) maybe worse than the Kessel trade.

 

[2canchew]

You are who you are ... Do what you want ..... Just saying ( not using your handle using for my purposes ) that when I joined and started posting I learned the Terb Etiquette among terb members ... Do what you want ... I choose to listen to guys like " PHNINE " when I first started when they pointed things out but you seem to march to your own drum and don't care ... So do what you want ...

Wow. Just because I may not agree with you dosen't mean I don't care. I mean, nobody knows what people are like personally, but, that apparently dosen't stop people from alienating others.
I thank you, I appreciate and respect your suggestion, I just didn't appreciate you suggesting that I don't care, especially when you don't know me.

 

[2canchew]

Tom Kurvers for a first round pick (Scott Neidermeyer) maybe worse than the Kessel trade.

Agreed. Ha, I spelled it right lol.

 

[shack]

I am not the Terb Administrator but come on ...

There is a thread already with this topic ... I am surprised there aren't threads created .. Leafs are up 1-0 in a game and then another thread
1-1 ..

That is very funny. Good one guy.

Having said that, doesn't it piss you off when people start responding.

 

[shack]

Not a fleecing but still a unwise trade because you never trade unprotected 1sts if you're not likely to be a playoff team.

Maybe you can call it risky, but the the results of Kessel prove it was not unwise.

Only 8 players have scored 30 each of the last 3 seasons.

As to the people who say they didn't make the playoffs, well, it wasn't because of Kessel. Would having Seguin instead, or any other rookie, put them in the playoffs?

You all know the answer is a resounding NO.

You guys make it sound like have a !st rounder is money in the bank. Surprise, as 2cc has pointed out, it is not but evidently Kessel is. (BTW, guy is correct. This thread is redundant, despite your hair splitting. You even used the same word, "fleecing". Maybe a little more originality would have helped.)

Having ranted, though, let the critics puff their chests by finding fault in acquiring a guaranteed 30 goal scorer (on a weak team with no good set up man).

 

[Dawgger]

Dam, What a idiot, I even read it over

this is not debatable!

 

[splooge]

2canchew has the perfect hindsight 20/20 vision. btw- Kessel is not paid to be a 30 goal scorer... he's paid to get 40+ goals per season!

 

[2canchew]

this is not debatable!

Clever. Thanks for proving my point in post # 12.
I know...it was a joke.

 

[2canchew]

2canchew has the perfect hindsight 20/20 vision. btw- Kessel is not paid to be a 30 goal scorer... he's paid to get 40+ goals per season!

No, not hindsight, I loved the trade when it happened. I just thought they would get someone to help him. I think Burke said something about Kessel being a 30 -35 goal score, If he hits 40 that's a bonus. He will need help

 

[shack]

2canchew has the perfect hindsight 20/20 vision. btw- Kessel is not paid to be a 30 goal scorer... he's paid to get 40+ goals per season!

There's a new standard I hadn't heard before. Who decreed this?

And seeing as only 8 have scored 30, 3 years in a row, please tell us how many have scored 40, 3 years in a row. Who is he being compared to?

 

[lovelatinas]

Tom Kurvers for a first round pick (Scott Neidermeyer) maybe worse than the Kessel trade.

That is the worst Leafs trade ever nothing will top that.

As for Boston's #1 pick from Toronto it looks like Boston will get the 10th pick in a week talent draft.

 

[Malibook]

How many players could score 30 goals playing with Bozak?

I like the trade.
If they had took the hit and dumped Toskala sooner, the trade would have looked much better.
Plus drafting 18 year old kids is usually a crap shoot, even in the first round.