Jordan Peterson says Ontario psychologist licence may be suspended over public statements

[mellowjello]

No. He's saying that the OCT decided she wasn't worth a formal reprimand or removal of license but that she should still be reminded that what she did wasn't good.
That she is offended that they dare question her or give her a reprimand is a sign of how entitled she appears to be.

She appears to be entitled to you because you don't agree with her, you don't believe in her cause.
She believes in what she's doing, a lot of people do, more people than meets the eye for sure.

So the question is, is everyone who fights a charge in court, stands up for a belief, do they appear to be entitled?
Is everyone who fights to enact legislation for what they believe in, do they appear to be entitled to you?

 

[mellowjello]

Sounds like it.

First of all, a tribunal doesn't have to do everything a court does and in the same way.

Second of all, if they were exonerating her, they wouldn't reprimand her, now would they?.... As in "You did nothing wrong, but we're going to publicly bitch you out anyway" ???.... Nah. No one does that. Basically, she got given a soft landing instead of a hard ass-kicking. And then she spat in their face the very next day.

That's the way you would look at.
Why should she do anything different, she's doing what she and a lot of people believe is right.
She wasn't convicted of anything, she still has her license, I don't know, did they give her a warning if she did it again?
I don't know why anyone would change what they were doing out of principle if there were no repercussions.
Was Morgentaler, spitting in anyone's face when he continued performing abortions despite the criminal abortion laws?

 

[Erosboy]

the guy just isn't that important or interesting

 

[Valcazar]

She appears to be entitled to you because you don't agree with her, you don't believe in her cause.
She believes in what she's doing, a lot of people do, more people than meets the eye for sure.

So the question is, is everyone who fights a charge in court, stands up for a belief, do they appear to be entitled?
Is everyone who fights to enact legislation for what they believe in, do they appear to be entitled to you?

Of course not.
That would be deeply stupid.


That's not what I am commenting on, though.

That post was all "WTF! How dare they reprimand you after deciding you didn't need your license stripped!"
Normal people know that "they decided not to strip your license" doesn't mean "they decided you were right and they were wrong".

That she thinks anything other than everyone agreeing with her completely is bad is a sign of her being entitled to me.
I know dick all about her otherwise.[/QUOTE]

 

[mandrill]

That's the way you would look at.
Why should she do anything different, she's doing what she and a lot of people believe is right.
She wasn't convicted of anything, she still has her license, I don't know, did they give her a warning if she did it again?
I don't know why anyone would change what they were doing out of principle if there were no repercussions.
Was Morgentaler, spitting in anyone's face when he continued performing abortions despite the criminal abortion laws?

Morgentaler was never found guilty.

She'll step across the line far enough and often enough that she'll get charged again at some point soon. She actually wants this to happen. If she didn't, she'd watch her P's & Q's.

Here's my issue with her. Initially I felt some sympathy. There should be room for some divergence of opinion and it was expressed in private in a professional discussion group. But it became pretty obvious that she was milking it and running with the far right and Rebel News tribe. Now it's a free country and you're allowed to choose your friends. Etc. But it sure shoots the tits off the argument that you're just an ordinary teacher with opinions that are heterodox but earnestly held, when you run with people who make money off your shtick. It makes me think that YOU want to make money off your shtick as well.

Same thing with that little grade 12 Catholic kid. Initially I felt a little sympathy for him. But then it becomes evident that he and the Rebel News / far right people set up and film all his escapades and run them on Twitter with misleading framing.

So - just like Peterson - they're intent on fucking with the system and provoking backlash because they want to monetize it as social media content. And that's pretty alienating.

 

[mellowjello]

Of course not.
That would be deeply stupid.


That's not what I am commenting on, though.

That post was all "WTF! How dare they reprimand you after deciding you didn't need your license stripped!"
Normal people know that "they decided not to strip your license" doesn't mean "they decided you were right and they were wrong".

That she thinks anything other than everyone agreeing with her completely is bad is a sign of her being entitled to me.
I know dick all about her otherwise.

But I agree with that post.
If I really did something wrong, do something about it or leave me the fuck alone, especially after dragging me through the mud publicly.
Actually, I think normal people would believe the opposite of what you said, even if it wasn't entirely correct.
At the very least, the message is that they decided you were not wrong.
Right or wrong, that would be the most reasonable perception for most people, I believe.

 

[The Oracle]

Good for her. I'm glad she literally spat in the OCT's face, the very next day on twitter. IMHO, the OCT deserved it!! The OCT put her through at least a year of hell, and uncertainty etc

I watched this one last night.....Thought you would enjoy it as much as I did.

Tulsi is just impressive here.

 

[Erosboy]

In this case, it's a lady, not a guy.

Chanel Pfahl and the Ontario College of Teachers

www.thedemocracyfund.ca

I meant Peterson.

 

[Valcazar]

But I agree with that post.
If I really did something wrong, do something about it or leave me the fuck alone, especially after dragging me through the mud publicly.
Actually, I think normal people would believe the opposite of what you said, even if it wasn't entirely correct.
At the very least, the message is that they decided you were not wrong.
Right or wrong, that would be the most reasonable perception for most people, I believe.
[/QUOTE]

Most people aren't that stupidly binary.

Your kid does something wrong.
You tell your kid that they are in trouble, and you might ground them for a month.

In the end, you say you won't ground them for a month, but give them a lecture about how what they did was wrong.

I don't think most kids would complain that it was completely unfair that you didn't ground them, but gave them a lecture anyway.

 

[Valcazar]

I watched this one last night.....Thought you would enjoy it as much as I did.

Tulsi is just impressive here.

Peterson AND Gabbard?

That must be a shitshow.

 

[mellowjello]

Morgentaler was never found guilty.

She'll step across the line far enough and often enough that she'll get charged again at some point soon. She actually wants this to happen. If she didn't, she'd watch her P's & Q's.

Here's my issue with her. Initially I felt some sympathy. There should be room for some divergence of opinion and it was expressed in private in a professional discussion group. But it became pretty obvious that she was milking it and running with the far right and Rebel News tribe. Now it's a free country and you're allowed to choose your friends. Etc. But it sure shoots the tits off the argument that you're just an ordinary teacher with opinions that are heterodox but earnestly held, when you run with people who make money off your shtick. It makes me think that YOU want to make money off your shtick as well.

Same thing with that little grade 12 Catholic kid. Initially I felt a little sympathy for him. But then it becomes evident that he and the Rebel News / far right people set up and film all his escapades and run them on Twitter with misleading framing.

So - just like Peterson - they're intent on fucking with the system and provoking backlash because they want to monetize it as social media content. And that's pretty alienating.

Morgentaler was never found guilty, and neither was she.
You are so blinded by your own prejudices that you will attribute every motive to these people
except the possibility that they are fighting on principle, as if it's so inconceivable to hold such beliefs.
People become poster childs (children?) within movements, and many times unwillingly.
The fact that something can be monetized doesn't necessarily mean it's corrupt.
You've got it backwards, Peterson is spearheading a response against a system that has been fucked with,
a system that doesn't reflect the will of the majority in that aspect.
They wouldn't dare take a referendum on this.

 

[The Oracle]

Peterson AND Gabbard?

That must be a shitshow.

Well you can always watch it and find out can't ya....But we know you ain't going to do that are you, lol.

Would kind of break your MO on here of commenting on topics you haven't investigated.

Just sayin...

 

[mellowjello]

Most people aren't that stupidly binary.

Your kid does something wrong.
You tell your kid that they are in trouble, and you might ground them for a month.

In the end, you say you won't ground them for a month, but give them a lecture about how what they did was wrong.

I don't think most kids would complain that it was completely unfair that you didn't ground them, but gave them a lecture anyway.

That analogy is so simplistic and naive I don't even want to get into it.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Peterson AND Gabbard?

That must be a shitshow.

This is more your speed, bro.

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[Frankfooter]

Well, I think Peterson is both important and interesting----LOL

Some people collect stamps.

 

[mandrill]

Morgentaler was never found guilty, and neither was she.
You are so blinded by your own prejudices that you will attribute every motive to these people
except the possibility that they are fighting on principle, as if it's so inconceivable to hold such beliefs.
People become poster childs (children?) within movements, and many times unwillingly.
The fact that something can be monetized doesn't necessarily mean it's corrupt.
You've got it backwards, Peterson is spearheading a response against a system that has been fucked with,
a system that doesn't reflect the will of the majority in that aspect.
They wouldn't dare take a referendum on this.

Except it appears that she was found guilty.

And the fact that something is aggressively monetized suggests strongly that it is corrupt.

And the majority does not support Peterson. The majority does not vote PPC, let alone the ranting, extreme version of conservatism protrayed by JP.

And Trudeau has won 3 elections in a row. That enough of a referendum for you? How many times does he have to win?

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1626707036712079360

I too collect weird shit from the Net. And I put it in my Red Tsunami of Rightie Silliness thread. And that stuff is pretty mainstream rightie-ness.

If I was to hoover around the fringes like Peterson or "Libs of Tiktok", I could come up with endless examples of neo Nazi, anti vaxxers who believe that America is run by shape-shifting lizard aliens. The crazies are out there and they prove fuck-all except Peterson gets a few thousand more clicks from people who are gullible enough to follow him, like you.

 

[mandrill]

That analogy is so simplistic and naive I don't even want to get into it.

Ok, explain that?

 

[mandrill]

Hi Mandrill. According to her twitter, she's not even working as a teacher, right now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1626760056166293504

Good. She can raise more money by being a victim that way. She's happy and the school board's happy. It's a win-win.

 

[mandrill]

Hi Mandrill. According to her twitter, she's not even working as a teacher, right now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1626760056166293504

So let me throw this out at you. Why is Phahl not supported by many, many more teachers? Why does she just run with the Far Right crowd?

If there was value to what Pfahl was doing, wouldn't her support among the teaching profession be massive and cut across party lines?

Ditto Peterson. If he was saying anything that made sense to the psychology profession, wouldn't all those shrinks be lining up to protest the CPO's ruling and demanding the Board resign and hold new elections where a pro Peterson slate of directors could be elected?

No one's out there for them. The only people who support them are people who are addicts of the Far Right Twittersphere like the dudes in this thread. So let's break this down. Peterson and Pfahl and that nurse in Victoria are bright enough. You don't get through professional school without having a few brain cells. You think they haven't figured out that YOU are their primary audience, not their own profession? YOU are their source of $$$$$ and Peterson rakes in $$$ millions more than you could ever dream of. Betcha Pfahl's interested in those clicks and contracts too.