Both lost the election on unpopular campaign - the faith based school and green shift. Will John Tory step down as leader like Dion?
John Tory and Stepane Dion both failed leader?
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actually Dion at least lost because of a failed strategy....that green thing just wasn't going ot fly. Tory on the other hand lost because he opened his mouth and reacted to a sitaution wrongly and then wouldn't back down. Tell me which is the bigger idiot....the one that picked the wrong strategy or the one that slipped on a banana peel.bornonaug9 said:
You can add Stephen Harper to the list of failed leaders as well. He went into the election hoping for a majority, and poll numbers at one point said it was within his grasp. But even with Dion's lacklustre performance, Harper still couldn't pull it off.
John Tory is consistant, he picks a looser and beats it to death. He did the same thing in the Toronto Mayoral election, he lived and died on the island bridge. He had a loser new it and thought he could turn it around in spite the counsel of wiser people.
I still can't believe that Tory didn't resign after last year's election. He didn't even win his own seat. Has there ever been a time when a leader of a major political party lost their seat and didn't resign immediately afterwards?
The longer he stays on, the louder the grumbling will get from the extreme right wing of the party to form their own "Reform Party". That would be a disaster and it would be best to nip it in the bud now.
The longer he stays on, the louder the grumbling will get from the extreme right wing of the party to form their own "Reform Party". That would be a disaster and it would be best to nip it in the bud now.
It happens all the time. Typically a party loyalist from a "safe" riding resigns to allow the defeated leader to stand in a bye-election.ottawasub said:
It does happen all the time but the ussual reason is that the leader is new to the party, Tory took advantage of this when he won the leadership , the MPP from Dufferin resigned to bigger and better things and Tory ran in the by -election. This time he lost his riding and there was a massive lack of interest in resigning a safe seat for him. He is not real popular amoung a large number of Tory supporters( party not man)johnhenrygalt said:
Tory did an Elizabeth May, and picked a seat where the incumbent was strong and reputable when he should have been looking out for his party's interests and gone for the most winnable seat.
And, like Dion, against all advice he insisted on campaigning on a nice idea that was hard to sell and even harder to explain in the down and dirty details. Both of them started to improve their standings when they dumped their hobbyhorses, but it was too late.
Only difference: Not enough people care how badly Tory speaks French. 'Sides who else is there on that side of the house?
And, like Dion, against all advice he insisted on campaigning on a nice idea that was hard to sell and even harder to explain in the down and dirty details. Both of them started to improve their standings when they dumped their hobbyhorses, but it was too late.
Only difference: Not enough people care how badly Tory speaks French. 'Sides who else is there on that side of the house?
There is/should be no need to speak french to be Prime Minister and there is even less need in Ontario as Premier. That whole french thing is just another example of the guilt that we allow them to lay on society in order to extract concessions.
No country of significance uses french and outside of our federal and provincial gov't suck-ups no-one here cares either.
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No country of significance uses french and outside of our federal and provincial gov't suck-ups no-one here cares either.
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The timetable
John Tory is waiting his friend Steve (PM) to appoint some MPP to Senator in between time.
John Tory is waiting his friend Steve (PM) to appoint some MPP to Senator in between time.
I agree. Why should English speaking Canada be expected to have bi-lingual leaders?LancsLad said:
For anyone who thinks this is important, when was the last time you were in Quebec? Canada is not a bi-lingual country inside that province.
To the original question, Tory should have resigned a long time ago.
Chinese and english.danmand said:
Only half joking in that there are definitely more chinese speaking people than french in Ontario. Probably at least one other language spoken more than french. Speaking french is not in the top 20 requirements to be a good premier of Ontario.
The question is should it be.danmand said:
Having spent considerble time in Quebec, it seems fair to me that it shouldn't be.
Tory has been making monumental political mistakes his whole career. From running the campaign that used the ad making fun of how Chretien spoke, to his disaster of a campaign for mayor to the last Provincial election, he always finds a way to make things worse then they would have been without him. At this point he deserves the stupid title far more then Dion, although he's not a capable leader either.calloway said:
