Jewish group demands apology after MPs honoured man who fought for Nazis

[dirtyharry555]

There are LOTS of Ukrainian Nazis.

I have a 22 year old Ukrainian friend whose friend was deported from Canada because he was a Nazi.

 

[mandrill]

My great grandparents emigrated from a little Jewish community just outside of Kiev to Saskatchewan in 1895. Even back then it wasn't a great idea to be a Jew in Ukraine. Although rather poor, they still left whatever they had to leave Ukraine and come to a safer place without any real knowledge of what to expect when they arrived.

One of my great-grandfathers found Saskatchewan to be not conducive to his religious orthodoxy, and went back to Ukraine, where he was promptly murdered by Ukrainians a year later.

Growing up in Winnipeg I soon found out that Poles and Ukrainians were very anti-semitic. When I first moved to Montreal in 1972, and saw young Jewish men wearing Stars Of Davids and Chais openly I thought to myself "you guys are gonna get killed", until I discovered that anti-semitism among the French was much more hidden and subtle.

Anti-Semitism has deep roots in Eastern Europe and Ukraine.

If anybody had told my great-grandparents that Ukraine would someday have a Jewish President, they would have thought that person was out of his or her mind!

Yup.

But my impression is that it has now changed over the past generation.

 

[mandrill]

Umm...franky...he didn't support white supremacists...white supremacists support him...that's 2 different things....is this your version of "whataboutism"?

He didn't "support" them; but he "pandered" to them. There you go, Richie.

 

[mandrill]

It's obvious this old Nazi's background was unknown to almost all participants in the applause. The only people at fault are those who actually knew, or who failed in their due diligence in researching his background and historical wartime activities.

I mentioned in the other thread that I dated a Ukrainian-Canadian girl several decades ago and was introduced to her older male relatives which gave me a heads up about the background of this guy in question. And I note your own Eastern European Jewish background. People without our insight would probably not have been aware that there was any cause for concern or reason to check.

 

[xmontrealer]

Yup.

But my impression is that it has now changed over the past generation.

Yes. Apparently in Berlin as well. Not so much in Hungary and some other European countries though...

 

[mandrill]

And who's job is that? Somehow you think the PM's office should also do their due diligence on the matter and not rely everything to other people...this has become the norm for JT's office now...relying intel on someone....

Richie, if it's not their job, why should they do that job?

PeePee was applauding and cheering too. Is it PeePee's job to do background checks?

 

[Frankfooter]

Umm...franky...he didn't support white supremacists...white supremacists support him...that's 2 different things....is this your version of "whataboutism"?

I rest my case.

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706091743844696541

 

[richaceg]

Richie, if it's not their job, why should they do that job?

PeePee was applauding and cheering too. Is it PeePee's job to do background checks?

Yes, it was also his parties job to do due diligence who to applaud. they all look bad...sounds better?

 

[richaceg]

I rest my case.

You should. you got nothing to begin with....

 

[Butler1000]

JT was too chicken to show up to question period today. How much longer before his caucus rebels?

 

[mandrill]

JT was too chicken to show up to question period today. How much longer before his caucus rebels?

Why would they rebel? He's won elections consistently since 2016.

 

[Frankfooter]

they all look bad...sounds better?

Yes.

There is just as much reason to single out PeePee as Trudeau on this one.

 

[Darts]

When I lived in Montreal many of the Jewish residents traced their root back late 19th century Russia.

(I could never understand why the Rosenbergs gave the atomic secrets to Russia. They fled Russia for the U.S.))

 

[mandrill]

When I lived in Montreal many of the Jewish residents traced their root back late 19th century Russia.

(I could never understand why the Rosenbergs gave the atomic secrets to Russia. They fled Russia for the U.S.))

Because they wrongly associated anti semitism with the Czarist regime and they thought the Communists would change all that.

Tsar Nicholas was a pretty big fan of murdering, beating and raping Jews and gave it his blessing.

 

[basketcase]

He was fighting the Red Army, little known chapter in WWII history. Question picking fights with someone who wasn't clearly antisemitic, esp. what, 80 years later?

Except he did it by joining the Waffen SS. And being anti-Soviet does not mean he wasn't antisemitic as well.

 

[basketcase]

And who's job is that? ...

The office of the Speaker. This has been explained repeatedly. Sad that Canadians know more about the US constitution than the functioning of our own government.

 

[The Oracle]

JT was too chicken to show up to question period today. How much longer before his caucus rebels?

He's going to come down with Covid next you wait......Then he can hide for another two weeks.

 

[Darts]

Tsar Nicholas was a pretty big fan of murdering, beating and raping Jews and gave it his blessing.

I think the leaders of the 1917 revolution were Jewish.

 

[The Oracle]

How much do people need to apologize? This was an honest mistake, and the guys apologized.

Hitler was bad, the Nazis were bad, the Holocaust was bad. It ended 70 years ago. Move on.

When your whole immediate ancestry was wiped out you don't move on......You certainly don't put up with people celebrating it!