i've been wondering how to make the industry better for new sp's ...

[syn]

it makes me a little sad to think that there are some women out there considering this profession - and their first exposure to the industry will be an interview with t-bill.

when i started working as an sp, i put myself in some risky situations because i simply did not know better. i thought it was expected that i had to sleep with the escort agency owner [or even one escort agency owner's husband!] to get the job or to get the calls. other women have been required to pay a $500 non-refundable deposit to disreputable agencies to get bookings ... and some women have had their privacy shattered by agencies posting facial pics without permission ...

i usually refer new sp's to reputable agencies like Select, VIP or Allison's Angels to gain knowledge / experience ... but don't agencies have to be careful about the advice they provide - in case it is an undercover officer?

which got me thinking - don't most prostitution related laws seem to marginalize sp's even further ... and create more risks / danger? and wouldn't you agree that the new sp's tend to be the most vulnerable - in other words deserving of more protection?

it is the human factor that i find troubling. i am not pointing any fingers, but i find it distressing that so many of the less fortunate women in the biz get paid peanuts to be treated so poorly. some of them do not realize that they do not have to perform some services ... often they are younger sp's or just inexperienced. of course this is a reality that many of the internet savvy sp's on this board have never experienced.

syn

 

[The Fruity Hare]

Re: Re: i've been wondering how to make the industry better for new sp's?

Excuse me but isn't this the way it's supposed to be?...

...I can provide them good advice and even support but as long as they pay me a fee.

...I will connect my girls with that zillion men-- and make LOTS of money out of it.

=PIMP!
Just the type of guy Syn is trying to keep the new girls away from.

 

[Philanthropist]

It is kind of funny that Alien (<>..<>) is quite selective when he posts a quote and then tries to rebut it.......the full quote is..

other women have been required to pay a $500 non-refundable deposit to disreputable agencies to get bookings ...

Yes, of course the agency will make money off of her, but a "deposit" in order to be even put on the staff or to get bookings is ludicrous.

If you are going to make a point to dispute someone’s statement, don't edit his or her statement to benefit your point of view. At least show that person the courtesy of posting an accurate quote


Trent

 

[midLifeCrisis]

i usually refer new sp`s to reputable agencies like Select, VIP or Allison`s Angels to gain knowledge / experience ... but don`t agencies have to be careful about the advice they provide - in case it is an undercover officer?

Those are good agencies, but you`re probably right about possible stings.

You may wish to refer girls to TERB as well. I`ve heard bad things about TERB and the kind of calls it attracts from some of the girls -as well as some good things. So I`m assuming TERB is comprised of a sort-of reasonable cross-section of hobbyists - those, at least, who do it regularly enough to plan things, the spur-of-the-memoent first-timers aren`t going to know or care about us.

I think girls considering the biz could do very well just by reading the board for a month - both in terms of getting an idea of the expectations clients bring into a session and in terms of what kind of guys they`re going to see. Lonely guys, guys in sexless marriages, scumbags ... hey, even a few clowns!

And if something they want to know hasn`t been addressed ... they can post a question (e.g. Newbie Escort questions) or PM some of the SPs on the board. I have no idea what kind of espirit de corps exists among the girls in private ... but in my business career I have often responded to queries and had lunch or dinner with a new guy wanting to learn the ropes. As long as it`s not too often (and as long as the guy isn`t too obvious about considering the meeting as a sneaky job interview!), it`s fun.

 

[Ripper77]

Alien- - One word i can think of about this guy-Jerk.

 

[sara@select]

Syn you bring up some great points! I think it would be absolutely irresponsible to hire a new lady and have her walk into this business ill prepared.
I am sure the reputable agencies have a great policy in place re:new girls. I know for us, I always ask the lady when speaking on the phone if she has worked before and if not would she like to speak directly with one of our ladies to get a better understanding of the biz and what she is getting into.
I know countless girls that have said, if only.....(someone had taken me aside and told me what to expect and that they could set limits)

Sara

 

[Morgan Ellis]

It's not like you can go into Chapters and find a copy of "Escorting for dummies".

Well, you sort of can, actually - you can buy a copy of "Turning Pro", by my friend Magdalene Meretrix:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1890159301/magdalenemeretri/104-6790623-5406340

Also available from Chapters/Indigo, although they may have to order it.

I agree with Syn, btw. A friend of mine was told she had to sleep with the agency owner because 'how else would he know she's not a cop'. Nice, huh?

Morgan

 

[Berlin]

Liza, Vanessa, don't stop here.
I am sure both of you have some valuable views on the pros and cons of agency/indie.
This should be interesting to know for a lot of us.

 

[Alien (<>..<>)]

You girls don't know how to do it, it's easy and smooth. Of course I would love to tell you how but I'm not giving my secrets away unless I get well paid for my consultancy. I have a very bright idea, a concept I saw in my country and that I have never seen here in North America, but I won't say how it works until I myself set up that business..............and NO it's not the $7 swim-and-screw-a-girl beach gimmick either it's another concept.

Use your brains people.

 

[cuttlefish]

This is very interesting. To me, it would seem that some sort of SP cooperative would be the best solution. Since it would be an in-call service, the locus of control is with the SP. Since there are several women, it would provide a much safer environment. Costs are split, new comers can learn from more experienced SPs, and a reputable clientelle can be established.

I'm not really sure, but is this the case with Oasis or Roommates?

 

[Berlin]

To top it all off most of these agencies are "forcing" girls to provide unprotected sex to their clients.

Liza, that's pretty bad. How so for the above ? You are talking about some fly by night multi sp incall operations or established agencies ?

 

[Hans]

Curious??

Are you implying BBBJ or BBFS?

I am talking about some of the agencies you guys like to refer to as reputable. No need to call names, but bare back services are rampant and I've actually seen some agencies fire their girls because they did not offer bb to their clients.

Lisa


oh BTW, BELIN ;-), that's Lisa, with an s

 

[Berlin]

Pardon me for my typo, Lisa

Seriously, I always take that whether BB or covered is on the menu would be a thing solely between the client and the sp. Interesting nonetheless.

 

[midLifeCrisis]

Also, I wouldn't be referring new girls to a message board such as this. This is a MALE information board, supported by females (for advertising purposes). There are a lot of decent women on here, however, who I'm sure would be of more help [in private] than on the public board.

I quite agree as to the purpose of the board as a whole and also that the vast majority of threads are of little interest to anyone, let alone a girl thinking about starting in the biz.

But it seems to me that this particular thread, among others, would be useful for a newbie to read ... and a newbie can also connect via PM with some of the decent women, after reading a selection of their posts.

 

[Kathy P]

Thanks, Syn, for starting a valuable thread about an important topic. I, too, went through the horrible ranks of learning about the business. Sad to say, I think that the only way each of us learns is the hard way. There are millions of scummy jerks out there who have no interest whatsoever other than to line their own pockets at our expense with little concern for our safety or well-being.

While I agree with Lisa, that agencies do not necessarily make us safer (and I must add that very few of them give a damn about us), for those of them out there who do care, it's comforting to know there's someone outside who can kick the door in if need be. I had a potential gang rape situation happen at a motel years ago that was thwarted by a driver who was concerned the phone wasn't being picked up when the agency was calling me out of an hourly call. Without him, I could have been seriously hurt.

The one thing that has come out of these boards that is a positive is that there is a forum/means for ladies to contact each other. I think the most invaluable means of protection for new ladies in this business, particularly younger ones, is contact with those of us who know what they potentially face. Big sisters of sort. The fact that are so many out there who want to (when I started it seemed the older ladies were merely jealous of the younger ones) help the younger ones is a good sign of change.

As for Alien, none of the ladies in this business lack brains. The real threat to them are manipulator predators like you who are only interested in lining your own pockets and getting your rocks off at the expense of unsuspecting women. As far as I'm concerned you're at the same level of a pimp on Jarvis Street who beats 'his' girls for not bringing him in enough money. You are a threat to new girls in this business as much as any 'casting couch' agent.

By the way, a female agency owner told me years ago who to beat the casting couch agency owner. She said that if an owner says you have to sleep with him to get hired because that's the only way he can be convinced you're not a cop, your reply should be "I'd be happy to. That'll be $250 for the hour, up front."

 

[Garden of Eden Ladies]

it makes me a little sad to think that there are some women out there considering this profession - and their first exposure to the industry will be an interview with t-bill.

don't most prostitution related laws seem to marginalize sp's even further ... and create more risks / danger? and wouldn't you agree that the new sp's tend to be the most vulnerable - in other words deserving of more protection?

I totally agree with you. I thought these laws were supposed to protect the SP and not alienate them. I have always wondered why we don't have more information and resources easily available to SPs that have questions or concerns. Too many ladies are forced to get their information from people that are only looking after their own personal interests. (i.e.: Scam Agencies, Pimps)

I also thought women had to sleep with the owners of agencies to get a job and still believe this is the case with half the agencies out there.

This shows my point about getting the wrong information from people who are looking after their own interests. I am sure if Alien owned an Agency sleeping with the owner would be rule number one.

Well in my experience, agency owners ARE blatant pimps (no offense Sara- you seem like one of the more decent ones). Aside from making more money than the escorts, keeping new ones in the dark, and sending the girls out WHENEVER, WHEREVER and to WHOMEVER to make a quick buck, they are also not even on the girl's side when something DOES happen and the girl needs 'protection'. Keeping that customer is MUCH more important to them

I am really sorry to hear that. Judging by your experiences you must have made some very bad choices when it came to choosing which agency to work at. I really wonder where you draw your experience from because it seems so one sided. I don't believe that many of the agencies operating today are like you describe.

Being an Independent I am sure you know about the costs that are involved in promoting and managing your business.
Well for some ladies they are not willing to answer the phones 24 hrs a day, manage 100s of ads while finding new places to advertise, reply to over 50 emails a day, weed out prank calls, Maintain a website, Promote your name to new clients.

I am sure if you factor in your costs and the time you spend operating your business you will see that the piece that Agency gets is not that big.

Also when you consider all the upfront costs of advertising when hiring a new lady this piece gets even smaller. The agency has to cover these bills until the Lady starts getting appointments if she gets any.

Most Agencies do this and more. We are like your personal assistant making sure that all your business is taken care of. For doing all this we do require a fee, which I feel is more than fair considering the amount of work we do. For that I am a Pimp?

What was the last time you heard of an agent/agency calling the police, if one of their ladies encounters a bad situation with a client? When trouble arises the agent is the first person, who will distance themselves from the lady (HIDE IN THE CLOSET sort of speak). And what about issues regarding safe sex, have you ever heard an of agent address a newcomer lady about the precautions... nope, why? - because they can't, not legally anyway.

I for one would never send a lady somewhere I wouldn't feel comfortable going myself. I would also never hesitate to call the police if I never thought one of the ladies that worked for me was in trouble. To me the safety of the lady is my top concern. It is so important to me that if any of the ladies that worked for me ever got hurt I would shut down the Agency.

SECURITY in this business would be if the agent was to provide, bodyguard to each and every lady on call or a total guarantee of safety, paid sick days, vacation & retirement plan. Oh and I wonder if any of the agents pay for unemployment insurance or have some sort of an income supplement in their plan for those times when there is a down turn in the industry, such as was recently created by the sarc outbreak.

Thats funny that you mention that cause I don't know a single Indie that has any of those benefits.

Working for an agency is merely a CONVENIENCE.

I totally agree with you... but don't you also think this convenience is worth a fee?

Thanks

Nicole

ps.
Here is a thought... If everyone supports Agencies that have good values and treats their ladies with respect. We would not have these problems. Agencies would be forced to maintain a standard level of service. Supporting these agencies would result in ladies getting better pay, and better choice of ladies working there, along with better treatment... I know it might sound crazy but it works... well at least at GOE it does.

 

[Naughty Alex]

I’ve always thought there should be a place where Escorts could chat, Independents or Agency Escorts, which is why I started Splasssh.

 

[syn]

comments

i believe that reputable agencies can serve a role for the majority of sp's entering the biz.

there are exceptions to the rule of course. a woman with street smarts, confidence, business skills and an abundance of common sense could manage on her own right from the start - but it is expected that others will feel more comfortable learning the ropes through an agency. there is a much higher learning curve for some girls ...

i did the phones for an agency a few years ago. i felt like i served a purpose beyond simply booking calls. i carefully screened calls and made a point of never sending girls to a call that i would not go to ... beyond that - i felt like a social worker or older sister as i counselled sp's through everything from romantic break-ups to the most basic tasks - such as how to find a dentist or find an apartment. some sp's were new to the 'big city' and needed help coping with day to day life - i couldn't imagine them trying to run their own business independently ...

there are some women who simply wish to test the waters at an agency to see if she is even comfortable being an sp ... an agency hopefully has an established clientele, a driver who won't push her for sexual favours, and a level headed phone person who screens the calls. hopefully the agency has put in some thought to security by having a check-in call with established code words to indicate when a girl feels uncomfortable. one hopes that girls only work at agencies that offer a right of refusal on any calls - so she can leave if she feels something is not right. as any girl in the biz knows - you have to trust your instinct ... no amount of money is worth it!

at the same time, i recognize that agencies can be parasitic. especially for the multi-hour bookings or the calls that were located out of town. i left 'aphrodites' when i got sick and tired of seeing the drivers make more money than the sp's.

in addition, i know from personal experinece that there are some well established agencies that will not book sp's if you do not do bbbj's with their clientele. i believe that sp's should be able to set their own comfort levels / limits.

it is a rather daunting task to find an agency that is the right 'fit'. i was only comfortable working for female owned agencies ... and found myself drawn to working for women who had formerly worked as sp's - i hated working for male agency owners as they truly felt like pimps to me. through experience, i learned what to look for in an agency - they should be in business for at least two years, they should accept credit cards, they should have a web page, they should have girls on staff that have been working for them a long time, and they should have an office ... seems pretty basic now - but i had no clue when i started.

the simple reality is that there are too many fly by night agencies in operation that end up being the first contact for new sp's. and now of course - many women will meet t bill though his ad.

syn

 

[syn]

question

i saw a recent ad in now magazine that read:

"Professional gentleman will pay lady $140/hour for intimate encounters 18+."

is this the ad for tbill? if it is ... i thought about running an ad such as:

"Are you new to the biz? Former escort will answer any questions."

i don't have a vendatta against t bill ... and i don't have any vested interest - other than simply thinking of ways to make the biz better for new sp's ... just so they know their options. i would hate to see anyone else go through some of my own experiences needlessly.

any comments, suggestions or other ideas?

syn

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

Not every women wants a life consumed by managing a prostituion business...

I’ve always been of the opinion that there will always be room for agencies in this business. There certainly is a much better opportunity for industrious ladies to establish their own business given the advent of the internet. Here in SF, we even have streetwalkers advertising online. Just like there are bad agencies, there are bad independents. Just as many times as any of the ladies here have claimed agencies have not worked in the best interest of the escorts, I can state with conviction that agencies have not worked in the best interests of the clients either. And I used by far more agencies than any of you women have or ever will work for. What ALL owners will always do is operate in their best interests. They will instruct the lady to do those things that will protect the owners’ interests, and many times those things will be detrimental to both client and escort. A good example is that agencies will instruct an escort that she is to have no conversation with the client about her services as this is illegal. Nothing could be further from the truth. It has never been illegal for an outcall escort to discuss her services with a client over a phone or in a private residence or hotel room.
cont. to part 2...

EBS