i've been wondering how to make the industry better for new sp's ...

E_B_Samaritano

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Agencies are a necessary evil...part 2

For some of you professional life-long indys, I’m sure you’re convinced there’s no place for agencies in this business. But not every lady wants to look up in their mid thirties and still see themselves answering phones with heavy breathing scum on the other end. SOME of the ladies who chose to enter this business have other aspirations, and wish to concentrate on those versus dedicating time to building an escort business. As such, the service that a good agency can provide, by allowing them to separate that aspect of their life from their private life is invaluable. The problem is not the existence of agencys; the problem is the manner in which agencies operate and deliver their services. One can argue the split is unfair, but the escort makes the decision to work at that agency and terms are terms. As to the benefits aspect, expecting any agency to provide the benefits normally offered to full time exempt or non-exempt employees of a business is patently absurd. The escort has a contractor relationship with the agency. As such that agency is not responsible for providing her with anything other than the advertising, booking and driving services required to facilitate a call. The proper legal relationship between escort and agency is that the agency should be retained by the escort to represent and facilitate her availability. To that end the agency should operate to pass along bookings and allow the escort to discuss business with the client directly. This would be entirely legal under existing law, separating the agent from harm from the sexual aspects, and would be a real service to both client and escort. Such arrangements do not currently exist for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is a lack of integrity on the part of both the women in the business and the people who represent themselves as agents.

Lastly, to the issue of agencies controlling bookings based on favoritism to ladies who provide more liberal services, and hence influencing women to offer services they otherwise would not; yes this does exist. Yes fraternization between agency owners and the escorts can and does happen, regrettably even occurring in at least one of the esteemed agencies being mentioned on this board. But this type of favoritism is no different a case than would confront the average independent. Yes that independent would get more call volume, but her rate of closure would be about the same. The difference would be that she’d get more closes…given the call volume. The tradeoff…she’d have to dedicate a hell of a lot more time to those closures. This is what the agency is paid for. The agency is paid to provide a live voice to a client who calls a number for access. They are paid to book that lady and deliver her to a time and place of the clients choosing. “Busy” women don’t discount this as an important service. Lazy women expect it as a right of passage, but then they’ve got no better alternatives in mind for their life. Indy’s rail against this because they see a disproportionate number of women emerge for working in these agencies with nothing to show for it. The fact is the majority of women who work for these agencies are not sufficiently responsible to run their own business and need someone to manage their affairs. It’s either that agencies fill this gap, or the reputation of the business further suffers as clients encounter yet more incompetence and irresponsibility in ranks of the independents. I would think indys would be grateful for this. Because as more indys hit the market, you will see the same kind of pressure to alter your “services” as you claim is forced upon ladies who work in agencies. The pressure the agency ladies see is lack of repeats..not unlike you own, except that as an indy, you have no shield to even trick a client into that first initial call, i.e. not if the client understands his rights. As a client, I can think of nothing better than to be able to call an agency and have them provide me with a lady based on their knowledge of my preferences in the areas of service. Why would any agency think it’s a good idea to send a woman out to a clients site given they knew the client would not be happy with the menu? It’s patent nonsense to believe that agencies shouldn’t do this. It’s not in anybody’s best interest to send an escort to a client when they know he won’t be happy and she could the recipient of his anger. There isn’t a single agency in operation that has women who provide uniform services. Most of the scam operations don’t give a shit about whether their women even provide full service, let alone bbbj. All they need is the money. And incidently ladies..lay off the bbbj nonsense. As I already told one lady, just because you don’t provide the services, doesn’t mean that others don’t have the right to provide them. You will get clients who are happy with your limited menu. Those of us who favor bbbj will be looking elsewhere.

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Re: Re: i've been wondering how to make the industry better for new sp's?

Alien (<>..<>) said:
Men respect other men. Not a pimp, no way, but simply a man.
Following this logic (or what you seem to deem as logic), you must be a woman 'cause you're certainly not getting much respect around here...

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I think to suggest that *responsible* agencies serve no purpose is ridiculous. Not every lady that enters the business wants to take on the business aspect of being an indy- and sadly, some cannot.
Personally, I think those that use an agency can do so to gain knowledge about the business because not every lady can start out as an indy from the time she enters the business. Some never want to because they simply want to call in and speak to a friendly, reliable voice that books them clients without having to deal with any additional stresses outside of those booking hours. They do not want their names and identities tied to this business in any way. Just as some ladies show their faces, some work in districts that have licensing,ect...everyone entering this business has varying degrees of comfort in terms of the depths in which they choose to be involved.
I don't think that any escort should stand in judgement of another for their choice- rather they should learn to be more supportive in general. The attitude that ones way is the only way and anything else is less than- well, it's scary! It does nothing to boost the esteem of the ladies in an already potential isolating industry.
Everyone makes choices, our goals in general should be to help everyone make the choice most suitable for them and their situation.

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Pimps are dirtbags...

who force their 'victims' to go out and work and take ALL the money. 100%. The 'victims' are abused totally often even to the point of being raped. Mostly these providers are working for pimp daddy in the streets. They do also work SCs, MPs and agencies. I think any agency worth it's salt will get rid of an empolyee if they find she has a 'pimp'. Admittingly some agency owners have more scrupples then others. Everybody has their formula or biz plan to be succesful. I personally though would never describe or define any of the more reputable agencies in GTA as 'pimps' Even to referr such a thing in some cases I would consisder insulting. I feel sorry for anybody who has because of whatever their past experiences has been that they have become so jaded that they cannot see the light. There is a place for well operated and executed agency services in this industry. To blackball all of them for the bad actions of a few is simply not fair.
 

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Re: My long overdue opinion...

Vanessa@Select said:
[...]ANYONE, regardless of their age or lack of experience, is lacking in good judgement if you let yourself be taken advantage of by an agency……or anyone else for that matter! Both of you sound fairly bitter about your experiences, and based on what you have to say, I sincerely feel sorry for you. But…let’s face facts: life is all about choices and you both made astoundingly bad decisions. I have made terrible decisions in my life as well and I have only myself to blame. No one else. Just me. Both of you can rant on all you want about agencies, however; I have a completely different story to tell. [...]

[...]When I hear all these stories about girls having to sleep with agency owners? Although I think it’s disgusting that it happens….I say “everyone makes their own life choices”. Like it or not, that’s how I feel. I used to be in an industry a lifetime ago, unrelated to escorting, where I was faced with those same kinds of decisions. I worked my way up as far as I could go without facing the old "casting couch” line. I chose NOT to pursue anything further at that point, and I was only nineteen years old. I made a critical life choice at a very early age with a blossoming modeling career! So don’t tell me it can’t be done in the escort industry. [...]


i admit that i made mistakes when i started in the biz ... and i guess the whole point of the thread was an attempt to make sure that women didn't go through the same experiences that i did.

you are lucky that an agency like 'select' existed when you did your research. i started 17 years ago when the biz was not so mainstream. how was i to know that it was not expected that i had to sleep with the owner to get bookings? when i started working, all i really knew about the biz was learned from the typical tv movie of the week 'call girl' stories ...

not all women will be of 'select' model-like calibre or even internet savvy - what happens to them? they are relegated to the men at the john co-op who will expect a hand job in exchange for a drive to a call?

though i have found this whole indy vs agency discussion of value - i am still wondering how to make the biz better for new sp's ...

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TO ALL POSTERS IN THIS THREAD

This has got to be one of the best threads I have ever had the pleasure of reading. The points being brought up are fantastic to say the least. There are issues that I have never considered before in this thread.

GROUP HUG!
 
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sara@select

Lisa, it's obvious you get off somehow on tearing apart Vanessa- why?
I think anyone can clearly comprehend that Vanessa was stating he became jealous (and made the offer) at which time she stopped seeing him. Has it never happened in your whole time escorting that a regular client who seemed to be a gentleman in the beginning than became increasingly possessive?? Or is it that are you just that infallible???

and the pimp comments yet again, just charming, utterly charming!
 

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EBS: What is wrong with being a 'career escort'??? I'd rather do this than factory work or being a mailwoman! I agree that it isn't a secure job until one is 65-- which is part of the reason I think women should make as much money as we can while we're still young!
Jordan, absolutely nothing is wrong with being a career escort and any who have seen my numerous extensive postings on this board know that I fully support and respect the profession. But let's face it, their won't be a booth at the high school on career day. I made reference to "career escorts" by way of saying that your focus on the life and career of an escort, seems to have you jaded to the point where you can consider only what is viable for someone who wants the profession as a full time avocation. For those who want to "get in and get out" they often times like the idea they can compartmentalize and minimize the time they spend thinking about building a clientele and business. They are clearly focused elsewhere. Sure women with other goals can be an independent and run their own business, but you ask any of them and to a person they will tell you it's a Herculean effort, something few can accomplish, let alone any newbie to the business. I still don't get it where you believe that an independent will have a better support structure. To the contrary. Most of them are on an island. Just who is it that they can get to watch their back while they're on calls. Don't forget, most women do this profession on the lamb.

To the issue of security or lack thereof provided by the agency. The notion that the agency, or for that matter even the lady involved in an incident would want the cops involved needs to be examined closer here. A lady involved in an altercation with a customer must first and foremost extricate herself if possible from the trouble. If she cannot, somebody will have to go looking for her. After the fact, does the woman want the involvement of the police? I'd say a high percentage would be okay with getting out alive. Involvement of the police means that she will have to go public, undoubtedly with something she has kept secret from friends and family. She can always make that decision later on. I think most women would be okay with getting out, and having the whole thing handled "off the books". There should be kudos given to any agency that is willing to back their ladies by involvement of the police. Too many times the agency doesn't want the heat either. But in the case of the independent, does she really want the involvement of the police and a public circus.

I think we should ask our esteemed board member LISA to expound upon the merits of good security while you're out on calls. Seems she should know something first hand about that issue.

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Vanessa...most of Lisa's scarce compliment of customers spend a time trying to get a grip on her ass..that's a daunting enough problem as it is..stop trying to confuse the woman...LOL..

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Chip on shoulder = anger issues = jaded outlook...

If ten people tell you you have a tail... you should turn around and look. Most likely you do. Maybe we should do a poll to see if someone does indeed have a chip on their shoulder. Any bets on the outcome?
 

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DenWa said:
wow...you guys all need to chill...let's make fun of Alien instead...

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LOL

Ok this southamerican born texan who lives in canada
has 3 ladies living with him and complains he cant have SPs in .
 

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Maybe we just have a different definition of the word pimp...

Going by my definition... they are dirtbags and
FYI... I have barred more then a few from ever advertising with me again. I don't sell my soul for money. Money is not my God. And I live in a very nice home. Thank You Very Much.
 

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*puts on frilly pink moderator hat with the peacock feather, which he had to borrow from Sheik since Goober's is at the cleaners*

Could I ask everyone to stop, take a deep breath, walk around your computer, look outside at the little children flying kites in the park, take another deep breath, grab a rubber band, tie it around your head and snap the fuck out of it!!!

We were having a nice, reasonable discussion and it has degraded into a flame-fest-O-matic™. Let's get back on topic and stop with the personal attacks/insults.

Thank you.

*quickly throws Sheik's hat on the floor and runs to the shower for a good de-lousing*
 

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Hmmmmm......... Lemme see if I've got this right now: Some women aren't smart enough to know how to screen their clientele, so they need to have an agency looking out for their best interests.
However, even the agency proponents freely admit that some (many? most?) agencies truly DON'T care for the well-being of those they represent.
My question then becomes, how does this woman (who lacks the judgement to screen her calls) screen out the crap agencies??
Just wondering....
 
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