I've been shot.

[JeanGary Diablo]

Also @JeanGary Diablo, you logic is nutty. You give excellent examples of how strict Canada’s standards are compared to the US because Canada won’t approve food stuffs that the US does. So how is it that Canada is so strict if Canada will approve the jab using lower standards than the US? Or are you using “political science” standards?

How is the AZ jab a lower quality vaccine?? If you do a quick check, you'll see that EVERY Western country has approved AZ for emergency use except for the US.

Yes, there have been cases of blood clots linked to AZ, but they are extremely scant. You have a much, much better chance of contracting COVID-19 and dying or getting seriously sick from the virus than you do from getting a blood clot caused by the jab. In fact, you probably have a better chance of being injured or killed in a car crash on your way to the clinic.

 

[shack]

have extreme youth on my side,

That might explain some of your posts.

With age comes wisdom.

 

[doggyorcg]

How is the AZ jab a lower quality vaccine?? If you do a quick check, you'll see that EVERY Western country has approved AZ for emergency use except for the US.

Yes, there have been cases of blood clots linked to AZ, but they are extremely scant. You have a much, much better chance of contracting COVID-19 and dying or getting seriously sick from the virus than you do from getting a blood clot caused by the jab. In fact, you probably have a better chance of being injured or killed in a car crash on your way to the clinic.

You do realize how probability works don't you? All of these risks are additive. I am not going to stop driving my car so that I lower my risk of getting into a auto accident. So why would I increase my risk of dying by adding on that more risks. For your information, risk of doctors' medical errors are nearly a magnitude worse than risk of getting into a car accident. So once you step into your doctor's office, after that death defying drive, your risks of dying skyrocket.

 

[doggyorcg]

While “ nuttier” is a stigmatized language in the mental health community, I understand your position.


Point taken. My bad on the language and I agree. But this is the language of lawyers which I suspect they created as a means to a guaranteed income. For better or worse, we now always need lawyers! Lol. But that is a topic for a different thread.

I was only teasing with the nuttier comment. Canadian women are hotter; and they are - from my experience - more stable.

 

[doggyorcg]

I'm surprised that no one has pointed out the possible political motive behind NOT authorizing Astra Zeneca in the US. The other vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna and Johnson & Johnson) are all produced by American companies. Astra Zeneca is a British company. I'm guessing that at least in part the US is simply reserving the American vaccine market for American companies.

Thank you!! You actually used the word "authorized" in a sentence. This is a relief!

And yes, very interesting point the about AZ jab. Process to achieve "authorization" is totally political.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

I'm surprised that no one has pointed out the possible political motive behind NOT authorizing Astra Zeneca in the US. The other vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna and Johnson & Johnson) are all produced by American companies. Astra Zeneca is a British company. I'm guessing that at least in part the US is simply reserving the American vaccine market for American companies.

Good point, and I'm glad you mentioned this. Not only are your statements about US protectionism true, but some have speculated the EU will not renew shipments of AZ because the French and Germans -- who basically run the entire EU -- have been bitching about importing a British (now a non-EU country) vaccine.

 

[Jenesis]

Good point, and I'm glad you mentioned this. Not only are your statements about US protectionism true, but some have speculated the EU will not renew shipments of AZ because the French and Germans -- who basically run the entire EU -- have been bitching about importing a British (now a non-EU country) vaccine.

oh shit. I don't even think about the Brexit implications. Good point.

 

[PeteOsborne]

Canada doesn’t even make the vaccines. That’s a lot of trust Canada is placing in another country’s vaccine. That same country hasn’t even approved it themselves. It is like saying the chef doesn’t fully trust the food safety of the meals he makes, but has no problem giving it to his hungry customers. Think about it.

The Astra-Zenica we have been getting since Jan 30th is from India as well so you will be glad to know India has now APPROVED it for use in India.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/world/asia/india-covid-19-vaccine.html

 

[PeteOsborne]

Still waiting for FDA approval.

Might be awhile before the FDA approves you. LOL.

 

[PeteOsborne]

Yup, second shot booked Aug 10th but could be earlier if supply increases.

 

[squeezer]

Waiting for phizer. There's a well established history of strokes in my family. I'm not taking chances with az.

This I get! Although it is advised to get the first vaccine available I can understand someone choosing to wait for the MRNA vaccine.

Also @JeanGary Diablo, you logic is nutty. You give excellent examples of how strict Canada’s standards are compared to the US because Canada won’t approve food stuffs that the US does. So how is it that Canada is so strict if Canada will approve the jab using lower standards than the US? Or are you using “political science” standards?

Then you are left with the TJ blathering and misinformation.

 

[Sonic Temple]

Got mine April 25 1:40 PM EST - AZ running through my sexy body . Stay safe all.

 

[PeteOsborne]

Waiting for phizer. There's a well established history of strokes in my family. I'm not taking chances with az.

Sensible.

 

[Tony Figaro]

Got the first shot about 2 weeks ago and hopefully we get the second dose earlier than 4 months from now.

2nd doses likely coming earlier than 4 months

2nd doses likely coming earlier than 4 months

Dr. Isaac Bogoch says most Canadians will receive a second dose of a coronavirus vaccine earlier than 4 months after dose 1.

www.cp24.com

 

[Jenesis]

Everything around Astra Zeneca has been steeped in political implications. The US giving preference to US companies; anti-British feelings in the EU left over from Brexit. The very rare side effects from AZ have been great cover for all that.

All drugs, vaccines, etc. have possible side effects but we don't walk around in fear of the side effects. According to Webmd, the most commonly prescribed medication in the United States is Synthroid - used for underactive thyroid. Here are a list of its possible side effects:

Increased sweating
Sensitivity to heat
Mental/mood changes (such as nervousness, mood swings)
Tiredness
Diarrhea
Shaking (tremor)
Headache
Shortness of breath
Bone pain
Easily broken bones
Chest pain
Fast/pounding/irregular heartbeat
Swelling hands/ankles/feet
Seizures
Rash
Itching/swelling (especially of the face/tongue/throat)
Severe dizziness
Trouble breathing

But people take it because they're all quite rare.

This is actually a great medication. awesome example!

 

[doggyorcg]

C'mon, it's safe...there is probably more people getting sick from eating at Burger King daily.

Totally agree. It is most likely safer than eating at Burger King or McDonalds. But I already avoid those places like the plague. (That was a pun. LMAO)

 

[doggyorcg]

Everything around Astra Zeneca has been steeped in political implications. The US giving preference to US companies; anti-British feelings in the EU left over from Brexit. The very rare side effects from AZ have been great cover for all that.

All drugs, vaccines, etc. have possible side effects but we don't walk around in fear of the side effects. According to Webmd, the most commonly prescribed medication in the United States is Synthroid - used for underactive thyroid. Here are a list of its possible side effects:

Increased sweating
Sensitivity to heat
Mental/mood changes (such as nervousness, mood swings)
Tiredness
Diarrhea
Shaking (tremor)
Headache
Shortness of breath
Bone pain
Easily broken bones
Chest pain
Fast/pounding/irregular heartbeat
Swelling hands/ankles/feet
Seizures
Rash
Itching/swelling (especially of the face/tongue/throat)
Severe dizziness
Trouble breathing

But people take it because they're all quite rare.

Care to share what demographic is the target market for this extremely common pharmaceutical? I don't want to hazard a guess. I just might get banned for 24 hours.

 

[GameBoy27]

I am able to understand difference between authorized-for-use versus approved. As I don’t have any co-morbidities and have extreme youth on my side, I can easily wait for final approval. Not a fan of being part of a clinical trial.

Fair enough, but you have no one else to blame if you get COVID. And with the new variants, there's a far greater reason to be concerned. While you probably won't die if you get it, it can leave you with serious long term health issues.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/alex-kopacz-covid-19-back-home-london-ontario-1.6003651

 

[doggyorcg]

Fair enough, but you have no one else to blame if you get COVID. And with the new variants, there's a far greater reason to be concerned. While you probably won't die if you get it, it can leave you with serious long term health issues.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/alex-kopacz-covid-19-back-home-london-ontario-1.6003651

Point made. I know first hand that top tier athletes do some crazy shit with their training and diet; e.g., experimenting with substances - not yet banned by the IOC - to improve performance. They are aware of cocktails bordering on science fiction. These athletes know they are making a trade off for peak performance now versus long-term side effects later. Sadly, this guy had to make a payment to the piper earlier than expected.

 

[benstt]

You have a much, much better chance of contracting COVID-19 and dying or getting seriously sick from the virus than you do from getting a blood clot caused by the jab. In fact, you probably have a better chance of being injured or killed in a car crash on your way to the clinic.

You do realize how probability works don't you? All of these risks are additive. I am not going to stop driving my car so that I lower my risk of getting into a auto accident. So why would I increase my risk of dying by adding on that more risks. For your information, risk of doctors' medical errors are nearly a magnitude worse than risk of getting into a car accident. So once you step into your doctor's office, after that death defying drive, your risks of dying skyrocket.

Additive, but also subtractive. The probability of getting blood clots from the vaccine is added, but lowers or eliminates the probability of harm from COVID. He is saying the added probability of the vaccine is much lower than others you are exposed to, and removes a significant probability of harm due to covid.