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Israel, the Big Lie

Darts

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Brits out of Ireland! Leave! Just go!

Isn't Israel the ancestral homeland of the Jews before the arrival of the Muslim Arabs?
 

NotADcotor

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Brits out of Ireland! Leave! Just go!
What is 6 plus 26 equal to?
One. One united Ireland.
Under British rule, god save the queen.
-last line, Jimmy Carr
 

Frankfooter

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Brits out of Ireland! Leave! Just go!

Isn't Israel the ancestral homeland of the Jews before the arrival of the Muslim Arabs?
 

Darts

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What is 6 plus 26 equal to?
One. One united Ireland.
Some members might not understand those numbers. 6 is the number of counties under British occupation. 26 is the number of counties in the Republic of Ireland. 32 counties is the number in one united Ireland.
 

toguy5252

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An Israeli is building a house down the street from me. Where will these settlements end?
 
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Every few years, Israel takes out the Palestinians' infrastructure. ...
How dare Israel respond to Hamas terrorism by targeting Hamas facilities!!!

And in what other conflict does one side continue to provide support to civilians on the other side during the conflict?
 

toguy5252

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How dare Israel respond to Hamas terrorism by targeting Hamas facilities!!!

And in what other conflict does one side continue to provide support to civilians on the other side during the conflict?
Most countries would allow a neighbor to reign rockets down on its civilians and do nothing.
 

basketcase

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You really don't have any realistic way forward, do you?
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As opposed to you justifications of terrorism and support for a group that refuses to even consider peace talks?

And it should be embarrassing for you to talk about ways forward while endlessly making excuses for why Abbas walked away from a peace offer that fit every criteria of the UN and the Arab league without even a counter-proposal.
 

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I agree with most of what you say including that the Palestinians need and deserve a homeland. But that homeland or state is not within the present borders of Israel. ...
What is pathetic about people like frankfrauder is pretty much everyone he argues with supports the idea of a negotiated two state peace. It just shows his motivation has nothing to do with the Palestinian people but simply making sure Israelis suffer.


p.s. Last poll I saw of Palestinian refugees and their descendants said that less than 10% of them would want to become Israelis. The rest wanted compensation and a chance to settle either in the land of their birth (Lebanon, Jordan, Syria), a Palestinian state, or an agreeable third country. But Groggy doesn't care about what they actually want.
 

basketcase

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Brits out of Ireland! Leave! Just go!

Isn't Israel the ancestral homeland of the Jews before the arrival of the Muslim Arabs?
Doesn't matter who was ancestral where. What matters is that Protestants live in Ireland now while significant Jewish and Arab population live in the former Mandate. Wanting to force Protestants out of Ireland is no different from Hamas wanting to force Jews out of Palestine.
 

basketcase

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You are wrong. Israel and the IDF are literal colonizing terrorists. The Hamas are just fighting back as the First Nations people of North America would have done if they had the weaponry and technology.
Seems nice that Franky has found a friend to justify Hamas' actions with.
 

toguy5252

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You are wrong. Israel and the IDF are literal colonizing terrorists. The Hamas are just fighting back as the First Nations people of North America would have done if they had the weaponry and technology.
Hamas is a terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel. there is a difference between resistance and terror. sending over 3000 rockets aimed a civilian population centers in Israel is not just fighting back.
 

toguy5252

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You forgot that Israel every year evicts more Palestinians from their homes in both Israel and the occupied territories in order to make room for Israeli settlers.

What do ypu think Palestinians should do about that?
I agree that the settlements should have stopped years ago and that they are a problem. What should the Palestinians do? Come to the table and moderate their demands. Regardless of the merits or fairness or equity or anything else, clinging to demands which will NEVER be acceptable will simply guarantee that nothing changes. sad perhaps but undeniably true. Try and imagine what Israel and the West bank would look like today if Arafat had accepted the proposals in 2000.
 

Frankfooter

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An Israeli is building a house down the street from me. Where will these settlements end?
They were going to write a story on that but unfortunately wrote this one first.
 

Frankfooter

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As opposed to you justifications of terrorism and support for a group that refuses to even consider peace talks?

And it should be embarrassing for you to talk about ways forward while endlessly making excuses for why Abbas walked away from a peace offer that fit every criteria of the UN and the Arab league without even a counter-proposal.
Now you call supporting the two state solution 'terrorism'?
Wow,
 

toguy5252

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They were going to write a story on that but unfortunately wrote this one first.
Well id there are Hamas offices in the same building and if it is being used to endanger Israeli civilians their wish may come true.
 

Frankfooter

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I agree that the settlements should have stopped years ago and that they are a problem. What should the Palestinians do? Come to the table and moderate their demands. Regardless of the merits or fairness or equity or anything else, clinging to demands which will NEVER be acceptable will simply guarantee that nothing changes. sad perhaps but undeniably true. Try and imagine what Israel and the West bank would look like today if Arafat had accepted the proposals in 2000.
That's a great idea. I suggest they do it in some neutral EU country like Norway. Maybe they could call it the Olso Accords. I bet it would definitely lead to the two state solution and not half a million more settler colonists living Palestine.
 

Frankfooter

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Well id there are Hamas offices in the same building and if it is being used to endanger Israeli civilians their wish may come true.
Um, ok.
Bomb the offices of the Onion, apparently you need some new targets.
 
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toguy5252

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That's a great idea. I suggest they do it in some neutral EU country like Norway. Maybe they could call it the Olso Accords. I bet it would definitely lead to the two state solution and not half a million more settler colonists living Palestine.
More likely it would lead to another opportunity to miss an opportunity. But you hope they keep up the current strategy because it has been so successful so far. sad.
 

toguy5252

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Um, ok.
Bomb the offices of the Onion, apparently you need some new targets.
LOL. You really are shaping up to be a myopic fool.
 
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