Israel exploiting Holocaust

[LancsLad]

Are you seriously trying to compare the intentional cold blooded and systematic execution of civilians with people killed during battle and in bombings?

Depends what civilians.

I mourn for our civilians killed by kraut bombing raids, the incident that I believe you are referrring to was an internal german matter. Not the same.




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[train]

Exactly how many threads do we need about the comments of some two bit bureaucrat with an axe to grind that has no influence on anyone of imortance?

If you want the opinion of my neighbour it may have more relevance.

 

[gryfin]

Exactly how many threads do we need about the comments of some two bit bureaucrat with an axe to grind that has no influence on anyone of imortance?

If you want the opinion of my neighbour it may have more relevance.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Hamlet Act 3, scene 2

 

[james t kirk]

And 60 years is yesterday. Maybe not to a Canadian whose history is like 200 years long, but we remember and we make a point of remembering. And if you forget, fuck you if you don't like being reminded.

Funny how that country with only 200 years of history put a million men in uniform in WW2 to FIGHT to death and help liberate half of Europe.

Not that you would know or care.

 

[james t kirk]

There were 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust. Not to mention the up to 250,000 that were killed in Russian pogroms of the late 1800's/early 1900's. Nothing has come close to that - Armenian genocide, Rwandan genocide, the Nanking massacre. To even mention Genghis Khan is not really relevant since that happened in the 13th century.

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Since you're keeping score....

25 million Russians died in WW2. That's a LOT more than 6 million Jews. They fought and fought and fought. They would attack the Germans with only 1 out 2 of their soldiers carrying a rifle with orders for the unarmed to pick up the rifle of the guy in front of them who got shot. If they even thought about retreating, they got shot by the Russians behind them.

The Russians died on their feet with a 2x4 in their hand as a weapon. The Jews just lined up for the train and grumbled that they needed to bring more suit cases.

The statuette of limitations on the holocaust expired 25 years ago. Never forget, sure, but quit your whining and snivelling already. No-one owes shit to the Jews due to WW2 any more than they owe it to me or anyone else who ever suffered.

 

[fuji]

Actually, the Rwanda genocide exceeds the killing of 6 million jews in some important ways.

I think what you guys are trying to say here is that by comparasin to what has happened to other people, like the Rwandans, or the Russians, or the Jews, what has happened to the Palestinians really isn't that bad.

 

[shack]

I think what you guys are trying to say here is that by comparasin to what has happened to other people, like the Rwandans, or the Russians, or the Jews, what has happened to the Palestinians really isn't that bad.

LOL.

Actually, it's pretty tough to refute that unless you multiply the severity of the killing by a million fold because it was perpetrated by Israelis.

 

[y2kmark]

Don't forget ...

hmm ok so enlighten me and tell me how that guy sitting in a refugee camp in Lebanon since 1948 with the keys to his house that sits empty in Israel, and he can never go back to because he is of the wrong religion, is a threat to Jews??? he wasnt there for the pogroms, he wasnt a member of the SS or Gestapo, as a Jew your issue and that whole "Fuck you"attitude should be directed at the Europeans who have been the cause of Jewish misery, not the Palestinians.

the Spanish Inuisition! Thousands of Jews were tortured and killed just because they wouldn't buy into the whole Jesus thing! This gives Israel the right to disenfrancise Plestinian rights HOW???

 

[basketcase]

I was referring to civilians sitting at home or walking on streets and exploded into pieces by German bombs not soldiers killed in the battle and there are 47 million of them and I pointed out that regretfully 6 million out of that 47 million killed were jews. Murder is murder I don't understand why you want me to minimize the murder of over 40 million other civilians just because they were not executed or send to gas chambers. They also lost their lives regardless of the method used to murder them.
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So a being a Russian, German, or French civilian killed as armies are fighting around your home is the same as police showing up at your door, putting you on a train and walking you to a gas chamber?


You might also check your moral equivalences. 47 million includes not only those killed by German bombs but also Germans killed by British and American bombs. You might also look into the disgusting actions of the Red Army as they conquered German land at the end of the war.

 

[basketcase]

hmm ok so enlighten me and tell me how that guy sitting in a refugee camp in Lebanon since 1948 with the keys to his house that sits empty in Israel, and he can never go back to because he is of the wrong religion, ...

Your propagandist drivel might hold more sway if it wasn't for the 20% or so of Israeli citizens who are Muslim.

 

[scouser1]

Your propagandist drivel might hold more sway if it wasn't for the 20% or so of Israeli citizens who are Muslim.

you mean the ones who were forced off their land and told to live elsewhere in Israel? the ones who live as second class citizens, are barred from several jobs in the government because of their religion, are barred from buying land anywhere they want because its "held by the JNF" basically to maintain Jewish superiority, are not required to serve in the military but in turn are barred from receiving certain social services, have never held a prominent post in the Israeli government, and you want to see Israeli democracy take a look at the allocation of funds that Jerusalem gets, the East Arab side is purposely under funded.

Using your logic the African Americans, Irish Catholics should have never fought for their rights and been happy with their second class status, yeah thats really democracy.

 

[fuji]

Scouser are you equally upset by Malaysian democracy, which works pretty much the same way, except that in Malaysia the state religion is Islam and not Judaism?

Or is it only Jewish states that piss you off?

 

[scouser1]

why does the rah rah Israel crowd always resort to the tactic of well the other Arab/Muslim countries are just as bad blah blah blah.

Of course the fact that Malaysia discriminates against its ethnic Chinese community is wrong just like any other form of official government sanctioned of discrimination ANYWHERE!!!

The rah rah Israel crowd needs to understand that if the country they love and adore so much is to stay a democracy then it needs to be held up to hire standards than the local horror shows like Syria and Saudi Arabia, otherwise you are no better.

 

[fuji]

I don't see a problem with a nation having an established state religion and promoting it. The standad for me would be whether or not minorities in those cases are discriminated in material ways such as jobs, education, and the like.

I think both Israel and Malaysia do a reasonable job of upholding the rights of their minorities. Both could do better but we are talking about relatively minor issues versus the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

 

[scouser1]

I don't see a problem with a nation having an established state religion and promoting it..

so Iran and Saudi Arabia are ok by your logic hmmm

 

[fuji]

so Iran and Saudi Arabia are ok by your logic hmmm

So you think it's OK to selectively quote what I wrote and then distort and misrepesent what I said? Saudi Arabia and Iran plainly do not live up to the condition I gave.

Re-ead what I wrote and then grow up.

 

[basketcase]

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German civilian casualties was by far less than Russian civilian casualties, but in my article I did not specify nationality (it was you who did).....

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I was referring to civilians sitting at home or walking on streets and exploded into pieces by German bombs not soldiers killed in the battle and there are 47 million of them ...

Wow, you are even revisionist with your own posting history.

 

[basketcase]

you mean the ones who were forced off their land and told to live elsewhere in Israel?

Oh, so when it suits you, you admit that there are significant of Israeli citizens who are Muslim.

the ones who live as second class citizens,

No such thing. They have full citizenship

are barred from several jobs in the government because of their religion,

Absolutely wrong again.

are barred from buying land anywhere they want because its "held by the JNF" basically to maintain Jewish superiority,

Well, sort of true but only because NO ONE can buy land owned by the government or the JNF.

are not required to serve in the military

They can serve if they wantto. In fact, Druze and Bedouin Israelis are heavily involved in the IDF and in case you didn't know, neither group is Jewish.

but in turn are barred from receiving certain social services,

How can you advocate veteren status for people who never chose to serve?

have never held a prominent post in the Israeli government,

I guess Deputy Speaker and acting President aren't prominent.

and you want to see Israeli democracy take a look at the allocation of funds that Jerusalem gets, the East Arab side is purposely under funded.

Don't democracies get to chose their own budgets?




As I said before, your posts are filled with propagandist drivel.

 

[Aardvark154]

Israel has lost the right to a peaceful future. It has misused people sympathy for past troubles. The military regime in Israel should remember that they live in occupied territories and a land that belongs to them only in their dreams and religious man-made myths to fit their crimes.

I take it the above means that you feel Israel does not have a right to exist and that General Assembly Resolution 181 is invalid. If that is so why is any other U.N. resolution valid?

 

[Aardvark154]

why does the rah rah Israel crowd always resort to the tactic of well the other Arab/Muslim countries are just as bad blah blah blah.

However it does seem shall we say "selective" that Israel is held to a different standard than other countries which do exactly the same things.