Israel at war

[Klatuu]

They won't be going back to Gaza City. Once Rafah is invaded many of them will end up I think in North Africa. With some agreed upon numbers maybe to the USA and Europe.

The oil companies are involved now. That exploration deal was a 25 year deal signed in 1999. What year is it again? Europe needs to secure a new source of gas and oil due to Russian aggression. How close is that field?

Once thats done it clears the way to the Saudi peace deal. Especially if the elderly king should suddenly pass and MBS takes over.

Keep whistling Dixie

 

[Klatuu]

Chosen people
16 languages
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the descriptive term in the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, see People of God.
Throughout history, various groups of people have considered themselves to be the chosen people of a deity, for a particular purpose. The phenomenon of a "chosen people" is well known among the Israelites and Jews, where the term (Hebrew: עם סגולה / העם הנבחר, romanized: am segulah / ha-am ha-nivhar) originally referred to the Israelites as being selected by Yahweh to worship only him and to fulfill the mission of proclaiming his truth throughout the world.[1] Some claims of chosenness are based on parallel claims of Israelite ancestry, as is the case for the Christian Identity and Black Hebrew sects—both which claim themselves (and not Jews) to be the "true Israel". Others claim that the concept is spiritual, where individuals who genuinely believe in God are considered to be the "true" chosen people. This view is common among most Christian denominations, who historically believed that the church replaced Israel as the people of God.
Anthropologists commonly regard claims of chosenness as a form of ethnocentrism.[2][3]
Judaism[edit]
Main article: Jews as the chosen people
In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e., chosen to be in a covenant with God. The idea of the Israelites being chosen by God is found most directly in the Book of Deuteronomy,[4] where it is applied to Israel at Mount Sinai upon the condition of their acceptance of the Mosaic covenant between themselves and the LORD God. The decalogue immediately follows, and the seventh day sabbath is given as the sign of the covenant, with a requirement that Israel keep it, or else be cut off. The verb 'bahar (בָּחַ֣ר (Hebrew)), and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other terms such as "holy people".[5] Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose. Sometimes this choice is seen as charging the Jewish people with a specific mission—to be a light unto the nations, and to exemplify the covenant with God as described in the Torah. This is first prominently outlined in Genesis 12:2.[6]
While the concept of "choseness" may be understood by some to connote ethnic supremacy,[7] Conservative Judaism denies this, as it claims that as a result of being chosen, Jews also bear the greatest responsibility, which incurs the most severe punishment upon disobedience.

Likewise, Rabbi Lord Immanuel Jakobovits views the concept of "choseness" as God choosing different nations, and by extension individuals, to perform unique contributions to the world, similar to the concept of division of labor.

Christianity and derivatives[edit]
See also: Supersessionism and People of God
Seventh-day Adventism[edit]
Main articles: Remnant (Seventh-day Adventist belief) and Three Angels' Messages
Mormonism[edit]
See also: Mormonism, Judaism and Mormonism, and Islam and Mormonism
In Mormonism, all Latter Day Saints are viewed as covenant, or chosen, people because they have accepted the name of Jesus Christ through the ordinance of baptism. In contrast to supersessionism, Latter Day Saints do not dispute the "chosen" status of the Jewish people. Most practicing Mormons receive a patriarchal blessing that reveals their lineage in the House of Israel. This lineage may be blood related or through "adoption;" therefore, a child may not necessarily share the lineage of her parents (but will still be a member of the tribes of Israel). It is a widely held belief[11] that most members of the faith are in the tribe of Ephraim or the tribe of Manasseh.
Christian Identity[edit]
Main article: Christian Identity
Christian Identity is a belief which holds the view that only either Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Nordic, or Aryan people and those of kindred blood are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and hence the descendants of the ancient Israelites.[12]
Independently practiced by individuals, independent congregations, and some prison gangs, it is not an organized religion, nor is it connected with specific Christian denominations.[13] Its theology promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity.[14][15] Christian Identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by American authors who regarded Europeans as the "chosen people" and Jews as the cursed offspring of Cain, the "serpent hybrid" or serpent seed, a belief known as the two-seedline doctrine.[12] White supremacist sects and gangs later adopted many of these teachings.
Christian Identity holds that all non-whites (people not of wholly European descent) will either be exterminated or enslaved in order to serve the white race in the new Heavenly Kingdom on Earth under the reign of Jesus Christ. Its doctrine states that only "Adamic" (white) people can achieve salvation and paradise.[16]
Mandaeism[edit]
Main article: Mandaeism
See also: Mandaeans § Origin
Mandaeans formally refer to themselves as Nasurai (Nasoraeans) meaning guardians or possessors of secret rites and knowledge.[17][18] Another early self-appellation is bhiri zidqa meaning 'elect of righteousness' or 'the chosen righteous', a term found in the Book of Enoch and Genesis Apocryphon II, 4.[19]: 552–553 [20][17][21]: 18 
Rastafari[edit]
Main article: Rastafari
Based on Jewish biblical tradition and Ethiopian legend via Kebra Nagast, Rastas believe that Israel's King Solomon, together with Ethiopian Queen of Sheba, conceived a child which began the Solomonic line of kings in Ethiopia, rendering the Ethiopian people as the true children of Israel, and thereby chosen. Reinforcement of this belief occurred when Beta Israel, Ethiopia's ancient Israelite First Temple community, were rescued from Sudanese famine and brought to Israel during Operation Moses in 1985.[citation needed][dubious – discuss]
Unification Church[edit]
Main article: Unification Church
Sun Myung Moon taught that Korea is the chosen nation, selected to serve a divine mission and was "chosen by God to be the birthplace of the leading figure of the age"[22] and was the birthplace of "Heavenly Tradition", ushering in God's kingdom.
Nation of Islam[edit]
Main article: Nation of Islam
The Nation of Islam teaches that black people constitute a nation and that through the institution of the Atlantic slave trade they were systematically denied knowledge of their history, language, culture, and religion and, in effect, lost control of their lives. Although not the Founder of The Nation of Islam, Elijah Muhammad was outspoken and called for the establishment of a separate nation for black Americans and the adoption of a religion based on the worship of Allah and on the belief that blacks were his chosen people.
Maasai religion[edit]
The traditional religion of the Maasai people from East Africa maintains that the Supreme God Ngai has chosen them to herd all cattle in the world, and this belief has been used to justify stealing from other tribes.[23][24][25]

In the meantime, if, as you claimed earlier, that you weren't referring to the Palis when you said "lesser humans", who was it that you were referring to?

You didn’t do yourself any favors lumping Judaism in with this group.

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786143551450923437

The visit by these Zionists certainly motivated Toronto.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786200069915459714

 

[Frankfooter]

Chosen people
16 languages
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the descriptive term in the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, see People of God.
Throughout history, various groups of people have considered themselves to be the chosen people of a deity, for a particular purpose. The phenomenon of a "chosen people" is well known among the Israelites and Jews, where the term (Hebrew: עם סגולה / העם הנבחר, romanized: am segulah / ha-am ha-nivhar) originally referred to the Israelites as being selected by Yahweh to worship only him and to fulfill the mission of proclaiming his truth throughout the world.[1] Some claims of chosenness are based on parallel claims of Israelite ancestry, as is the case for the Christian Identity and Black Hebrew sects—both which claim themselves (and not Jews) to be the "true Israel". Others claim that the concept is spiritual, where individuals who genuinely believe in God are considered to be the "true" chosen people. This view is common among most Christian denominations, who historically believed that the church replaced Israel as the people of God.
Anthropologists commonly regard claims of chosenness as a form of ethnocentrism.[2][3]
Judaism[edit]
Main article: Jews as the chosen people
In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e., chosen to be in a covenant with God. The idea of the Israelites being chosen by God is found most directly in the Book of Deuteronomy,[4] where it is applied to Israel at Mount Sinai upon the condition of their acceptance of the Mosaic covenant between themselves and the LORD God. The decalogue immediately follows, and the seventh day sabbath is given as the sign of the covenant, with a requirement that Israel keep it, or else be cut off. The verb 'bahar (בָּחַ֣ר (Hebrew)), and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other terms such as "holy people".[5] Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose. Sometimes this choice is seen as charging the Jewish people with a specific mission—to be a light unto the nations, and to exemplify the covenant with God as described in the Torah. This is first prominently outlined in Genesis 12:2.[6]
While the concept of "choseness" may be understood by some to connote ethnic supremacy,[7] Conservative Judaism denies this, as it claims that as a result of being chosen, Jews also bear the greatest responsibility, which incurs the most severe punishment upon disobedience.

Likewise, Rabbi Lord Immanuel Jakobovits views the concept of "choseness" as God choosing different nations, and by extension individuals, to perform unique contributions to the world, similar to the concept of division of labor.


In the meantime, if, as you claimed earlier, that you weren't referring to the Palis when you said "lesser humans", who was it that you were referring to?

I was referring to wacko religious extremists that call themselves the 'chosen people', hammy.
Now you agree on who is the main group doing that, don't you?

 

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The ICC is issuing warnings to the US about getting in their way.

ICC prosecutor warns against intimidation of court and staff

The International Criminal Court (ICC) prosecutor’s office has warned that action could be taken against those “threatening to retaliate” or attempting to “impede or intimidate” its officials.
On Sunday, Israel expressed concern that the ICC could be preparing to issue arrest warrants for senior political and military officials on charges related to the conduct of its war on Gaza. The court has given no indication that warrants are imminent and has made no comment on the claims.
And while today’s warning from the ICC does not name any specific cases, it comes after Netanyahu called the possible arrests “a scandal on a historic scale”. He also said any ICC decisions would not affect the actions of Israel, which is not a member of the court.
In a statement posted on X, the ICC prosecutor’s office said that threats against the court or its staff could “constitute an offence against the administration of justice under Art 70 of the Rome Statute”.
It added: “The office insists that all attempts to impede, intimidate or improperly influence its officials cease immediately.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786316229688414518

 

[shack]

Cops should pay for that, the students were keeping it clean.

Land that was not theirs to use at their disposal.

The students who brought all those tents and supplies and set up those camps are responsible for them to be removed. The cops gave them a chance to pack and leave all while enforcing the law.

 

[shack]

I was referring to wacko religious extremists that call themselves the 'chosen people', hammy.
Now you agree on who is the main group doing that, don't you?

You asked a simple question with no qualifiers. I gave you a direct and accurate answer and not surprisingly, when faced with the truth, you didn't like the answer and moved the goal posts using your anti-Semitic bias. LOL.

It seems that the Wiki article did not designate ANY of those entities calling themselves the chosen people as wacko extremists. Only you. You should contact wiki.

 

[shack]

The US is threatening the ICC.
But they are threatening not to send cash to the PA if they charge Netanyahu.
Total blackmail.

US senators meet ICC over potential Israel arrest warrants: Report
A group of both Democratic and Republican US senators reportedly held a virtual meeting with senior officials from the International Criminal Court (ICC) over potential arrest warrants being considered for top Israeli officials.
The meeting took place on Wednesday shortly after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke to multiple senators, reports the US news site Axios, citing three unnamed sources.
Republican lawmakers have reportedly threatened to pass legislation against the ICC if it moves forward with the warrants.
Axios earlier reported that Biden administration officials have also privately warned the ICC against the move after a warning by Israel that it could cut off tax funds it collects for the Palestinian Authority, which could cause it to collapse.

You say Israel is a pariah.

I say Israel is winning on the battlefield.
Israel is winning in the courts.
Israel is winning in the halls of power.

Than you for proving my point by showing how much support Israel has which extends to the courts.

 

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Land that was not theirs to us at their disposal.

The students who brought all those tents and supplies and set up those camps are responsible for them to be removed. The cops gave them a chance to pack and leave all while enforcing the law.

What, now you think occupiers should pay for rebuilding land when they disagree?
The latest I heard was a $40 billion price for rebuilding Gaza.
You gonna send some cash?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786123862486208619

 

[shack]

Yeah but the US did not have the same relationship with South Africa that it does with Israel. Here they are openly protecting injustice, .

As has been mentioned numerous times, the U.S. is protecting their international interests.
Israel is their greatest ally in the region who is also protecting US interests.
Israel has acted brilliantly geopolitically. Israel is a valuable and irreplaceable ally.

You surely realize that my view of US' actions makes much more sense than yours, of a relatively few pennies to a couple of politicians making this much difference. The middle east Arab lobby could outspend the Israeli lobby by a 100 fold but they don't. Why not? Because they don't give a shit.

 

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You asked a simple question with no qualifiers. I gave you a direct and accurate answer and not surprisingly, when faced with the truth, you didn't like the answer and moved the goal posts using your anti-Semitic bias. LOL.

It seems that the Wiki article did not designate ANY of those entities calling themselves the chosen people as wacko extremists. Only you. You should contact wiki.

Yes, your wiki link confirmed the video I posted with someone calling themselves the 'chosen people'.
Next step is for you to answer whether they think any other people are 'lesser humans' who don't deserve full human rights, like equality, the vote, the right to self defence and the right to self determination.

Do you think Palestinians have all those rights or do you think they are 'lesser humans' or 'human animals' or 'vermin'?

 

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You say Israel is a pariah.

I say Israel is winning on the battlefield.
Israel is winning in the courts.
Israel is winning in the halls of power.

Thanking for proving my point.

Sure, just as Germany was winning in 1945, buddy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786369894428057862

 

[shack]

There is no winner or loser in this because it is not a war. It is an assault and genocide on people by a nuclear armed state.

Further proof that, as I keep telling Geno, Oct.7 was stupid.

 

[shack]

I know you don't think these things happen in real life. They do. Especially when oil companies are involved. And arms deals.

Look what happened to the two Beoing whistle-blowers. Look at the state of Gaza city. Look at the checkpoints in Rafah, and plans to not allow any military aged males out. Look at bipartisan funding for arms. Does an off shore pier make sense for aid? Or for transport of drilling rigs and to set up pipeline equipment? There is also a massive Saudi arm deal on the table. The only impediment is Gaza.

Wake up.

Sure. The only thing holding up a major trillion dollar arms deal, and exploiting a trillion dollar gas field, is the Palestinians. And there is no way that the USA and Europe has ever seen indigenous people displaced or cowed under a friendly dictatorship to exploit local resources right? Especially by local fanatics, using culture or religion as a pretext to cover things up.

Have you seen the media? They are calling protesters the same as 1930's brown shirts now. Setting the narrative. The hostages will all be found to be dead. Then what leverage will Hamas have?

With Gaza resolved, the Saudis get what they want, Israel gets what it wants, the USA, Europe and multinationals get what they want. Welcome to shitty world politics 101. They usually are the winners.

That is a nice movie. But that will 100% not happen.

These are all your imaginations. None of that will happen. Perhaps you can submit this script for Expendables 5.

Actually, Butler gives examples to back up his declarations.

All you give us are your predictions which are unsupported and based simply on your admitted bias and your imagination. You are supposed to tell us why he is wrong. You have done none of that.

You still have not learned how to properly debate.

 

[shack]

Which is why context matters. You are talking about Israel/Palestine, in the Israel thread. The chosen people therefore refers to Jews. The thread, and the context of your discussion are the qualifiers and any attempt to say otherwise is you pretzeling yourself for the 1,329,567th time on this thread.

The context is that Geno inferred that Jews are the ONLY people calling themselves "the chosen people" in the post where shamelessly called Palestinians "lesser humans".

I gave a clear and direct replies which was sourced which disproved his claim.

Once again, you show how little you know about debate and how you will pretzel to the Nth degree and still prove nothing. There is no context to consider. He asked and I answered.

 

[shack]

What, now you think occupiers should pay for rebuilding land when they disagree?
The latest I heard was a $40 billion price for rebuilding Gaza.
You gonna send some cash?

Please stay on topic.

The discussion was on the student protests on American campuses. Trying to make a comparison to Israel/Gaza is not valid. The students are guilty of vandalism.

 

[shack]

Sure, just as Germany was winning in 1945, buddy.

How many countries are joining forces to invade Israel the way the allies joined forces to invade Germany?

Nobody is doing anything to lift a finger to physically help the Pali cause and they can't even get anything done in the courts or the UN. All they can do is illegally block streets and camp out under the stars.

Another failed analogy Geno.

 

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Further proof that, as I keep telling Geno, Oct.7 was stupid.

Further proof that the occupation was stupid, the blockade was stupid, apartheid was stupid, genocide was stupid and zionism stupid and evil.

 

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How many countries are joining forces to invade Israel the way the allies joined forces to invade Germany?

Nobody is doing anything to lift a finger to physically help the Pali cause and they can't even get anything done in the courts or the UN. All they can do is illegally block streets and camp out under the stars.

Another failed analogy Geno.

You're cheering on attacking Jews now, hammy.
Your zionism is now attacking Jews.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786134150321226182

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786153152221196547

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785678502957642087

 

[shack]

Butler provided his own imaginary scenarios that have no basis in history of this particular conflict, and are therefore off topic and as such require no further discussion, as that would derail the thread.,

Klassic Kaut. "I don't have facts. I don't have a rebuttal. Therefore let's discard valid points and claim they are irrelevant." You are soo predictable.

My predictions about what may transpire in Gaza are more in line with reality and history, something you'd be wise to learn from which could possibly help you see the reality of the genocide Israel is committing in Gaza.

The talk was about how the powers that be would deal with the Gaza situation. Butler gave his opinions with validation and you did not address it at all.

And no, I am not supposed to do anything.

You have been successful.