Israel at war

mandrill

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Its all a war zone right now, mandrill.
As usual the Israeli supporters back every single war crime they say Hamas does when its shown Israel does it more.
Which means the only difference becomes the race of the perpetrator.
I had never pegged you as racist before this.

Fortunately the IDF has found so much evidence to back up their claims.


Let's do this together, Frankie.

HAMAS fortifies a hospital and turns it deliberately into a stronghold in order to create a human shield. It then raids Israel and takes hostages in order to induce Israel to attack the area where the stronghold / hospital is.

Israel uses a school in a non war zone to accommodate soldiers in an area where there are probably no barracks and where it doesn't expect any fighting to occur. (And the kids are probably sent home and don't attend the school anyway).

If you can't spot the difference between the 2 examples, I truly despair of your IQ.
 
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Its all a war zone right now, mandrill.
As usual the Israeli supporters back every single war crime they say Hamas does when its shown Israel does it more.
Which means the only difference becomes the race of the perpetrator.
I had never pegged you as racist before this.

Fortunately the IDF has found so much evidence to back up their claims.


Okay dude here’s the reality. There’s two sides in this very complex conflict and you’ve decided to back one side SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDERDOGS. (Or maybe because the other side is Jews but I want to give you the benefit of the doubt).
That underdog side coincidentally represents medieval mysoginistic antisemitic cult of death and martyrdom but you don’t care.

Well your dark ass backwards side is going to lose.
And the side that represent less than 0.20% of the world's population, but represented 22.4% of all Nobel laureates, 208 out of 930 as of 2020) is going to win.
 
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But that's not a war zone and Gaza is. So that's a difference, right?

You get that, don't you?
The answer to your question was always there.

“Now where did we see someone say that using a school for military purposes automatically makes it a legitimate target?”
 

Leimonis

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Let's do this together, Frankie.

HAMAS fortifies a hospital and turns it deliberately into a stronghold in order to create a human shield. It then raids Israel and takes hostages in order to induce Israel to attack the area where the stronghold / hospital is.

Israel uses a school in a non war zone to accommodate soldiers in an area where there are probably no barracks and where it doesn't expect any fighting to occur. (And the kids are probably sent home and don't attend the school anyway).

If you can't spot the difference between the 2 examples, I truly despair of your IQ.
If I may add, there’s also that little fact that hamas don’t really complain that they have difficulty hitting IDF with their high precision rockets because IDF is hiding in schools.
Because hamas has no problem with killing anything Jewish no matter young or old, schools or no schools. Because hamas are oppressed and liberators and freedom fighters so it’s okay.

It’s only israel that would prefer to fight in places other than schools and hospitals.

It’s not a two way street at all and parties are not the same.
 

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Ghawar
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Well your dark ass backwards side is going to lose.
And the side that represent less than 0.20% of the world's population, but represented 22.4% of all Nobel laureates, 208 out of 930 as of 2020) is going to win.
I too would pick Israel to be the likely winner not because of the
disproportionately greater share of Nobel laureates among Jews but
because it has its American and western poodles to serve its interest.
It is unwise of Iran and the Arab world to take on Israel. They will have
to proceed with utmost caution if they ever muster the audacity to
bring off an oil embargo like they did in 1973-74 again.
 

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I’ve been a Jewish activist for the better part of the last fifteen years. I started because I simply couldn’t stay silent. I knew that it’s not that people simply “didn’t get” Israel. I knew that there was something else, something deeper. A hidden force which was coordinating this slander against the world’s only Jewish state. And then I met
@JSchanzer
and was exposed to his work with
@FDD
and I was shocked. Years ago, Jonathan had uncovered that this vitriol on campuses is a network of professionally coordinated heavily funded campaign by nefarious forces to delegitimize the state of Israel. To prepare the public opinion for the right moment take her down by all means necessary. I quoted Jonathan’s work in my book and have been speaking about this issue all over the country and the world for years, waiting for the right moment when the people will be ready to listen. Yesterday that moment had come. I was honored to be invited to testify in front of the
@WaysandMeansGOP
on Capitol Hill about the connection between campus antisemitism and terrorism financing. The members were engaged and listened to us thoroughly for the four hours of the testimony. We have requested that the FBI and IRS will open an investigation into the organizations behind all this campus hate, specifically SJP and AMP. We have requested that SJP to be kicked off of campuses. We are requesting that people take a pause, before reciting a terrorist group’s talking point. So now the real work begins.
Not much different than Marjorie Taylor Green. Just better looking.
 

Leimonis

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There was no "war" to begin with. Its not like they are 2 equal sides. This is an onslaught on a civilian population by a modern military force. That is a war crime per international law.

Also, you make it sound like this is a race war. A race war between an inferior, poor, barbaric people (a small minority of whom killed 1200 civilians) vs superior people (who slaughtered 11,000+ civilians, and 5000+ children) because members of their community won Nobel prizes. That as you can imagine is racist, and is actually the reason for most of your and others support. As I mentioned many times earlier, for you and others, "Hatred of Muslims > love for the jews".
Is it really racist to not give a shit about barbaric people only because they are barbaric no matter what colour they are?
If January 6 attackers were machine gunned at the doors of the Capitol I would not give a shit about them either.
I just tend to not give a shit about people who I consider to be on the wrong side. It may not be humanitarian but I bet it’s pretty common among humans.
 

mandrill

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Body of second Israeli hostage killed by Hamas found near Shifa Hospital in Gaza: IDF (msn.com)


The Israel Defense Forces said on Friday that it recovered the body of Cpl. Noa Marciano from the Gaza Strip, three days after confirming she was killed by Hamas in captivity.

IDF troops found the body in a building adjacent to Shifa Hospital in Gaza City and returned it to Israel for identification.

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Marciano, a resident of Modi’in in central Israel, was abducted from Kibbutz Nahal Oz, where she served as a lookout.
On Monday night, Hamas released a video of Marciano that the military described as “psychological terror.” The video claimed that she was killed in an airstrike in Gaza.

The next morning, the IDF cleared for publication that the 19-year-old had already died in captivity.

“After analyzing the footage, experts suggest that her injuries do not align with those typically sustained in airstrikes,” the IDF said in a statement. “The observed wounds appear more consistent with bullet injuries, and there is also an indication that she may have suffered from injuries related to a fall from a height.”


Hamas has denied the International Red Cross access to any of the estimated 240 captives being held in Gaza.

On Thursday night, the IDF announced that soldiers had located and recovered the body of Yehudit Weiss , 65, from a building near Shifa Hospital.

Hamas terrorists kidnapped both Marciano and Weiss during their Oct. 7 massacre of 1,200 people in southwestern Israel.

In recent weeks, Israel has provided extensive evidence that Hamas uses hospitals , mosques , schools and other civilian sites for their terror warfare against Israel, and that the terror group has a command center in the tunnel system underneath Shifa .


Earlier on Thursday, Dr. Muhammad Abu-Salamiyyah, director of Shifa , told Al Jazeera that “the IDF forces collected bodies from the hospital.”

Asked about the claim at the press conference, IDF Spokesperson Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said: “We are working in Shifa Hospital for 48 hours. It’s a complex operation. It’s a large complex.

“In the operation, we found underground [infrastructure], weapons and we found information relating to the hostages. Next to the hospital, we found Yehudit Weiss,” he said.

“We will continue to update when we have confirmed information on all the additional achievements of the operation, and we hope for additional achievements,” added Hagari. “Until then, we must wait and be patient.”
 

Leimonis

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Well, so I guess per your own definition, that should be the Israelis then. One would think massacring 11,000+ people and 5000+ children and subjecting them to racism and apartheid, would be considered more barbaric than killing 1200 civilians. Since that is not the case, you are clearly not motivated by what you consider "barbaric".



The Israelis probably killed them accidentally during their carpet bombings.
Yeah sorry not buying Hamas numbers. Sell it to someone else
 

Leimonis

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Yup, those numbers are not believable because a couple of war criminals in an ultra-right wing nut job Netanyahu and a useless Biden, said so, when in every conflict prior, those numbers provided by the Gaza Ministry of Health have aligned with both Israeli and UN estimations, with a deviation of ~2.5 to 4%. Not to mention they released names and ID numbers of the deceased. And of course they are not believable because that many people couldn't possibly die, in an indiscriminate carpet bombing operation that has gone on for 6 weeks now.

But no worries, I understand your cognitive dissonance in wanting to convince yourself that it is the Palestinian civilians that are the barbarians (they have to be because they are Muslims, right?!), when evidence proves it to be otherwise.
Or maybe hamas hasn’t allowed the civilians to exit the war zone after IDF sent warnings after warnings. Because hamas loves when people like you worry about their dead civilians.

Also - You are desperately trying to hang onto Muslim issue and I said multiple times I don’t give a fuck about their religion or anyone else’s really.
Just ask your oppressed children to stop firing rockets at israel and return hostages.
 

mandrill

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There was no "war" to begin with. Its not like they are 2 equal sides. This is an onslaught on a civilian population by a modern military force. That is a war crime per international law.

Also, you make it sound like this is a race war. A race war between an inferior, poor, barbaric people (a small minority of whom killed 1200 civilians) vs superior people (who slaughtered 11,000+ civilians, and 5000+ children) because members of their community won Nobel prizes. That as you can imagine is racist, and is actually the reason for most of your and others support. As I mentioned many times earlier, for you and others, "Hatred of Muslims > love for the jews".
Of course there's a war. HAMAS is a sovereign power in Gaza and attacked Israel. Israel is defending itself.

There's no racial element to this. Russia attacks Ukraine and I support Ukraine because Russia is the aggressor. That doesn't make me "anti white". HAMAS attacks Israel, I support Israel.

Get over this need to portray this conflict as "anti colonial" or "anti racist". It's none of those. If Israel had initiated the conflict, I would have supported HAMAS. And don't give me the line about Israel being the aggressor 50 years ago. That's over. That's in the past.
 

mandrill

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Despite Israeli claims that they are wiping out Hamas they don’t appear to be succeeding. This was posted by Hamas yesterday.

That's right. Because the HAMAS murdering rapists have run away through the tunnels to South Gaza where the IDF can't get them - yet.

They'll wait until the IDF withdraws and then they'll return. They'll steal $billions more international aid and spend it on rebuilding the tunnels and on rockets and they'll attack Israel and kill and rape their wretched victims again and then the IDF will have to do the job all over again and the cycle will repeat.
 

Leimonis

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Of course there's a war. HAMAS is a sovereign power in Gaza and attacked Israel. Israel is defending itself.

There's no racial element to this. Russia attacks Ukraine and I support Ukraine because Russia is the aggressor. That doesn't make me "anti white". HAMAS attacks Israel, I support Israel.

Get over this need to portray this conflict as "anti colonial" or "anti racist". It's none of those. If Israel had initiated the conflict, I would have supported HAMAS. And don't give me the line about Israel being the aggressor 50 years ago. That's over. That's in the past.
He seems to be projecting the race and religion 🤷‍♀️
Meanwhile this is how other Arab countries treat Palestinians
 

Leimonis

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No, it is not in the past. It is not over. Who says it is over? You? The Palestinians don't. The Israelis don't. It is an ongoing conflict for 75 years.

And yes, Israel occupying and stealing land from the Palestinians and infact the formation of Israel itself, was a colonial endeavour. Infact, Theodre Herzl, the father of modern day political Zionism, calls it a colonial endeavour.
Yes! When Jesus Christ was crucified the sign on the cross said “Jesus from Nazareth, king of Palestinians” because it was Palestinian land!
No wait it said “king of Jews”
 
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