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A)Israel hasn't been able to get rid of Hamas even after blowing everything up for the last 9 months.
B)All that happened was the ICJ told them to get the fuck out of Palestine and pay for damages on the way out.
I'm going with A, "Hamas gets destroyed" first, because"
1) ICJ has no teeth
2) Not a country in the world is sending manpower to help Hamas. It's impossible for them to win without such support.
3) Sanctions take years and years.
4)Hamas is a pariah and the world wants to see them exterminated like the vermin that they are.
and most importantly:
5) Not one of Genostradamus' predictions has been correct yet.
 
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Here's the funny part... Franky is wise enough to say zionist instead of jews....but we all know who he's talking about...12 yr Olds don't know when they're exposed....
 

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I'm going with A, "Hamas gets destroyed" first, because"
1) ICJ has no teeth
2) Not a country in the world is sending manpower to help Hamas. It's impossible for them to win without such support.
3) Sanctions take years and years.
4)Hamas is a pariah and the world wants to see them exterminated like the vermin that they are.
and most importantly:
5) Not one of Genostradamus' predictions has been correct yet.
The ICJ ruling was predicted and correct.
The ICJ genocide investigation was predicted and correct.
The ICC upcoming warrants were predicted.
The UN resolutions were predicted.
The marches and boycotts were predicted.

The only thing I've been wrong about is how far Genocide Joe has allowed Netanyahu to go.

Still, all you can offer is death.
All you want is more killing.
All you do is gloat about killing women, children and families.


 

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Guess the Hamas terrorists will never learn. Do they really think NATO won't get involved in this one?

I guess they became desperate after ongoing news of a Saudi/Israeli peace treaty became public. They are hoping for a response to curtail it.
You mean partizans of course.
 

richaceg

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Screw you, rich.
I've happily marched with IJVCanada and other Jews of conscious.
I've walked the talk.

Have you?
Have you killed some children in Israel's name?

Gotten too? No I don't advocate viole ce you on the other hand are ok with hamas running around Gaza parading corpses of dead Israelis...without regard for the safety of Palestinians...you get excited everytime there's news if bombing in Gaza...like you xant wait to go to log in and post tweets about the plight if Palestinians...caused by hamas.
 

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Eventually the world going to agree to nuke that area out of existance. NO holy building no religious wars over land.
 

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Gotten too? No I don't advocate viole ce you on the other hand are ok with hamas running around Gaza parading corpses of dead Israelis...without regard for the safety of Palestinians...you get excited everytime there's news if bombing in Gaza...like you xant wait to go to log in and post tweets about the plight if Palestinians...caused by hamas.
Sorry to hear about the stroke, hope you can recover.

rich, you've been here defending the likely killing of 186,000 Palestinians, half of whom are children.
When you are cheering on the death of nearly 100,000 children you have no right accuse anyone else of 'parading corpses'.

 

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Gotten too? No I don't advocate viole ce you on the other hand are ok with hamas running around Gaza parading corpses of dead Israelis...without regard for the safety of Palestinians...you get excited everytime there's news if bombing in Gaza...like you xant wait to go to log in and post tweets about the plight if Palestinians...caused by hamas.
Hanging on by a thread
 
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Special Relationship? Even Time Mag. Has Had Enough


It's Time to Rethink the U.S.-Israel 'Special Relationship'
Story by Jon Hoffman
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As Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces a joint session of Congress, Washington must finally face reality: its emphatic embrace of Israel’s war in Gaza is not advancing U.S. interests or promoting regional stability—to say nothing of the immense human toll.
In fact, it is doing the opposite. So long as Washington refuses to change course, the U.S. will continue to confront major problems that are the product of its own policies.



Netanyahu remains wedded to the idea that Israel’s army can achieve his goal of eradicating Hamas in Gaza. But as IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari recently admitted, “anyone who thinks we can eliminate Hamas is wrong.” In the military realm, the group maintains operational capacity, and continues to fight in areas of Gaza where Israel previously claimed Hamas had been eliminated. U.S. intelligence estimates that only 30-35% of Hamas’ military wing have been killed since Oct. 7, while claiming it has recruited thousands of new volunteers over the course of the war. Hamas also remains deeply embedded in the political fabric of Gaza.
Israel can degrade Hamas’ capabilities and kill their leaders, but without a route toward a credible political solution, Palestinian militancy will persist. Unfortunately, there is no sign of such a solution. Netanyahu’s apparent plan moving forward is the indefinite military occupation of the enclave, and Israel’s parliament recently passed a motion—with overwhelming support—rejecting Palestinian statehood, even if it is part of a negotiated settlement with Israel. This is a recipe for endless violence.

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Meanwhile, the carnage Washington is subsidizing in Gaza is seriously damaging America’s global standing. As many feared in the wake of the Oct. 7 Hamas attack, the war has gone well beyond prevention and self-defense, drawing analogies to the U.S. response to 9/11. Israel’s campaign is also planting the seeds of future turmoil by killing thousands of innocent civilians, crippling Gaza’s infrastructure, and producing a famine. The effects of this war will plague Gaza for generations, and Washington’s involvement, most critically the provision of the weapons responsible for much of the killing, makes a mockery of the U.S.’ claim to lead a “liberal” or “rules-based” international order.

Police arrest protesters as they block traffic during a pro-Palestinian demonstration demanding a permanent cease-fire in Gaza, near the home of Sen. Chuck Schumer in Brooklyn, New York, on April 23, 2024. Andres Kudacki—AP

Police arrest protesters as they block traffic during a pro-Palestinian demonstration demanding a permanent cease-fire in Gaza, near the home of Sen. Chuck Schumer in Brooklyn, New York, on April 23, 2024. Andres Kudacki—AP© Andres Kudacki—AP
Finally, there is a growing chance of regional escalation and deeper direct U.S. involvement. The war has already set off a wave of regional escalation from Lebanon to Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and between Israel and Iran directly.
Israel and Hezbollah are especially close to a devastating war. The U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, C.Q. Brown, recently warned both that Iran would likely provide considerable help to Hezbollah, which has a huge arsenal of missiles that can penetrate deep into Israel, and that U.S. forces in the region could be pulled into that conflict. Such a war is anathema to U.S. interests and Middle East stability. The risks of regional war—and direct U.S. involvement—will remain elevated as long as Israel’s campaign in Gaza continues.




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Short of direct military intervention, the U.S. has cast the full weight of its political, economic, and military might behind Israel. By casting multiple vetoes at the U.N. Security Council, approving more than 100 arms transfers worth over $41 billion, passing roughly $15 billion in additional military aid, and overseeing a massive U.S. military buildup in the Middle East, the Biden Administration has placed the U.S. at the center of Israel’s war in Gaza.
American foreign policy in the Middle East has been dysfunctional for decades, and the imbalanced relationship between the U.S. and Israel is at the core of that flawed regional strategy. Washington’s reflexive embrace of Israel has impaired its ability to think clearly about the Middle East—a region of limited strategic importance to the U.S., given America’s energy independence. At a time when the U.S. finds itself overextended abroad and facing serious political and economic troubles at home, Washington is following Israel deeper into the abyss.



Is there any sliver of hope? After Biden dropped out of the presidential race, Kamala Harris is now the Democratic frontrunner, and has an opportunity to change course on Israel and Gaza. Although Harris has urged Israel to do more to address the “immense scale of suffering” in Gaza, she has remained steadfast in her backing of Israel—much like Biden. Rhetoric devoid of a policy change is not enough. Moreover, a Trump victory would likely offer no respite given his strong support for Tel Aviv and comments that he would let Israel “finish the job” in Gaza.
Though the future of the White House is uncertain, it should be abundantly clear to all that by continuing to subsidize Israel’s war in Gaza, the U.S. is setting up itself—and the Middle East—for disaster. Washington needs to end its bipartisan, blank-check support for Israel and extricate itself from this tragedy.
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Who Would Have Thought That The Right To Defend Would Degenrate Into Ethnic Cleansing, Mass Starvation & Plausible Genocide? DUH?


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Can a Political Spectacle Make a Horror More Real?
July 24, 2024, 5:04 a.m. ET
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Megan K. Stack
By Megan K. Stack
Ms. Stack, a contributing Opinion writer, covered the Middle East for several years.
The elephant in the room will be impossible to ignore when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel addresses Congress on Wednesday, turning attention to the bloody spectacle that both major parties have been taking pains not to mention: the ongoing death and destruction in Gaza.
That U.S. politicians from both major parties invited Mr. Netanyahu to Washington at all — let alone to lecture our lawmakers in the people’s house — is a disgrace. Mr. Netanyahu’s war on Gaza has already killed at least 39,000 Palestinians (many of them women and children), according to the health ministry in Gaza, displaced some 1.9 million people and spread what experts describe as a famine across the besieged enclave.
The International Criminal Court prosecutor has applied for a warrant to charge Mr. Netanyahu with war crimes and crimes against humanity. The International Court of Justice has taken up the question of whether the Israeli attack on Gaza constitutes a genocide — a classification the court deemed “plausible.” Israel has for months behaved as if a range of orders from the world’s highest court simply didn’t exist, including to prevent the destruction of human life in Gaza, rush humanitarian aid into the territory and preserve evidence needed by investigators to determine whether genocide is taking place.
History will cast Mr. Netanyahu’s visit in deservedly ugly tones. He’s not a guest we should aspire to host, but he is a visitor we deserve. Gaza is our war, too, thanks to the indispensable military aid and political cover the U.S. government has lavished on Israel as the death toll climbs.



The current war on Gaza began Oct. 7, after bands of Hamas gunmen broke from Gaza into southern Israel and carried out a devastating spree of killing and hostage-taking. Mr. Netanyahu vowed vengeance, and then delivered it beyond imagination. What exploded as a war of retribution against Hamas has looked increasingly like a broader campaign of annihilation — the slaughter of trapped civilians; the excruciating deaths of thousands of children; the destruction of hospitals, schools and much of the civilian infrastructure.


The American people have not been broadly supportive of Israel’s harsh tactics. Polls have shown for months that more Americans disapprove than approve of the onslaught in Gaza. Antiwar demonstrations roiled U.S. campuses; significant numbers of Democrats voiced dissent by voting “uncommitted” in the primary; a string of Biden administration officials have quit in protest of what some of them describe as an unsalvageable disregard for Palestinian life.
Criticism narrowly aimed at Mr. Netanyahu has become fairly commonplace among U.S. politicians (many of whom carefully avoid mentioning the broader apparatus of Israeli military and government, let alone their own crucial hand in the violence in Gaza). And dozens of lawmakers are expected to boycott Wednesday’s speech. But come voting time, many of Mr. Netanyahu’s denouncers reliably opt to keep funding his military.
Despite the damning chapter of history still unfolding on our watch, Gaza seems to have drifted to the edge of our collective awareness. It has gotten easier for politicians to ignore it these days — there are so many other things to discuss. Documentary accounts from the wrecked enclave are sparse, harsh and devastatingly repetitive. Another bombed school. Another mass grave. Another emaciated child. Another soul, and another, and another.
It’s been a deadly spring and summer in Gaza, with Israel repeatedly bombing schools serving as shelters and even tent encampments where displaced civilians had sought refuge. At least some of those bombs were made by the United States. By now, at least 70 percent of the schools in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed. Never mind, the United States is resuming the (ever so briefly suspended) shipment of 500-pound bombs to Israel.



Hunger, too, has increased perilously. A famine that first appeared in the most isolated and battered spots of northern Gaza has now spread throughout the territory, independent United Nations experts recently announced. Israeli officials deny fault for what food experts describe as a man-made famine, but the “who, me?” claims are undercut by international organizations and U.S. lawmakers who blame Israel for restricting the passage of food, failing to open adequate land routes and even attacking some of the trucks carrying humanitarian aid.
Instead of using its leverage to force Israel to let enough food into Gaza, the Biden administration has either feigned powerlessness or — the most generous interpretation — sincerely failed to grasp that, as the major supplier of munitions to Israel, the United States has an opportunity to stop the starvation in Gaza.
Instead of getting Israel to open enough land routes, the Biden administration wasted $230 million and precious time building a floating pier off the Gaza coast. Some humanitarian food did finally enter Gaza via the pier, but it was too little to stanch the humanitarian disaster. This month, the government declared “mission complete” and scrapped the whole project.
While the United States has failed to get an adequate amount of food to Gaza, it has excelled at sending all manner of weapons and ammunition to Israel so that Gaza can be attacked. There have been votes in Congress authorizing yet more money and bombs, supplemented by more than 100 weapons transfers that the Biden administration was able to quietly approve since they were below the threshold that requires the White House to inform Congress of weapons sales.
Between President Biden’s hosting of the NATO summit and the Republican National Convention, both held earlier this month, world affairs have been prominent in U.S. politics this summer. We talk about Ukraine and Russia, China and Mexico — and yet the acute problem of Palestinian mass death has been largely ignored in a mighty, and mightily bipartisan, feat of willful oblivion.



Mr. Biden has hardly mentioned the Palestinians lately. At the end of the NATO summit, held in Washington during a week of heavy killing in Gaza, Mr. Biden was asked whether he wished he’d done things differently since the start of Israel’s war. In his answer, Mr. Biden didn’t speak about the staggering Palestinian death toll. Instead, he said that he wished Israeli officials had been more cooperative.
This is a tacit version of the now hackneyed excuse we’ve been hearing for months: That U.S. officials have tried to make this war less ghastly; tried to get food into Gaza; tried to talk sense into an intransigent Mr. Netanyahu. But what can they do — the Israelis won’t listen!
But if Mr. Netanyahu has rebuffed U.S. stipulations while demanding our help, why is he coming to Washington? And why has the U.S. government allowed itself to get played?
Maybe Mr. Netanyahu’s visit can be salutary. As he takes pride of place under the dome of Congress, perhaps we might catch a glimpse of ourselves
 
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