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You asked a simple question with no qualifiers. I gave you a direct and accurate answer and not surprisingly, when faced with the truth, you didn't like the answer and moved the goal posts using your anti-Semitic bias. LOL.

It seems that the Wiki article did not designate ANY of those entities calling themselves the chosen people as wacko extremists. Only you. You should contact wiki.
Which is why context matters. You are talking about Israel/Palestine, in the Israel thread. The chosen people therefore refers to Jews. The thread, and the context of your discussion are the qualifiers and any attempt to say otherwise is you pretzeling yourself for the 1,329,567th time on this thread.
 
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The US is threatening the ICC.
But they are threatening not to send cash to the PA if they charge Netanyahu.
Total blackmail.

US senators meet ICC over potential Israel arrest warrants: Report
A group of both Democratic and Republican US senators reportedly held a virtual meeting with senior officials from the International Criminal Court (ICC) over potential arrest warrants being considered for top Israeli officials.
The meeting took place on Wednesday shortly after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke to multiple senators, reports the US news site Axios, citing three unnamed sources.
Republican lawmakers have reportedly threatened to pass legislation against the ICC if it moves forward with the warrants.
Axios earlier reported that Biden administration officials have also privately warned the ICC against the move after a warning by Israel that it could cut off tax funds it collects for the Palestinian Authority, which could cause it to collapse.
You say Israel is a pariah.

I say Israel is winning on the battlefield.
Israel is winning in the courts.
Israel is winning in the halls of power.

Than you for proving my point by showing how much support Israel has which extends to the courts.
 
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Land that was not theirs to us at their disposal.

The students who brought all those tents and supplies and set up those camps are responsible for them to be removed. The cops gave them a chance to pack and leave all while enforcing the law.
What, now you think occupiers should pay for rebuilding land when they disagree?
The latest I heard was a $40 billion price for rebuilding Gaza.
You gonna send some cash?

 

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Yeah but the US did not have the same relationship with South Africa that it does with Israel. Here they are openly protecting injustice, .
As has been mentioned numerous times, the U.S. is protecting their international interests.
Israel is their greatest ally in the region who is also protecting US interests.
Israel has acted brilliantly geopolitically. Israel is a valuable and irreplaceable ally.

You surely realize that my view of US' actions makes much more sense than yours, of a relatively few pennies to a couple of politicians making this much difference. The middle east Arab lobby could outspend the Israeli lobby by a 100 fold but they don't. Why not? Because they don't give a shit.
 

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You asked a simple question with no qualifiers. I gave you a direct and accurate answer and not surprisingly, when faced with the truth, you didn't like the answer and moved the goal posts using your anti-Semitic bias. LOL.

It seems that the Wiki article did not designate ANY of those entities calling themselves the chosen people as wacko extremists. Only you. You should contact wiki.
Yes, your wiki link confirmed the video I posted with someone calling themselves the 'chosen people'.
Next step is for you to answer whether they think any other people are 'lesser humans' who don't deserve full human rights, like equality, the vote, the right to self defence and the right to self determination.

Do you think Palestinians have all those rights or do you think they are 'lesser humans' or 'human animals' or 'vermin'?
 

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There is no winner or loser in this because it is not a war. It is an assault and genocide on people by a nuclear armed state.
Further proof that, as I keep telling Geno, Oct.7 was stupid.
 
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As has been mentioned numerous times, the U.S. is protecting their international interests.
Israel is their greatest ally in the region who is also protecting US interests.
Israel has acted brilliantly geopolitically. Israel is a valuable and irreplaceable ally.

You surely realize that my view of US' actions makes much more sense than yours, of a relatively few pennies to a couple of politicians making this much difference. The middle east Arab lobby could outspend the Israeli lobby by a 100 fold but they don't. Why not? Because they don't give a shit.
Your view is nothing extraordinary or new. This is common knowledge that the US and Israel are allies and share a special relationship, because of which Israeli interests are American interests. Where you are wrong is that this can be replaced by another. It cannot. The middle east Arab lobby can never outspend the Israeli lobby because the Israeli lobby is richer, more global and already owns US politicians. So even if the Arabs tried, they couldn't possibly buy what has already been bought and paid for.
Further proof that, as I keep telling Geno, Oct.7 was stupid.
Thanks for admitting that Israel is committing a genocide.
 

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I know you don't think these things happen in real life. They do. Especially when oil companies are involved. And arms deals.

Look what happened to the two Beoing whistle-blowers. Look at the state of Gaza city. Look at the checkpoints in Rafah, and plans to not allow any military aged males out. Look at bipartisan funding for arms. Does an off shore pier make sense for aid? Or for transport of drilling rigs and to set up pipeline equipment? There is also a massive Saudi arm deal on the table. The only impediment is Gaza.

Wake up.
Sure. The only thing holding up a major trillion dollar arms deal, and exploiting a trillion dollar gas field, is the Palestinians. And there is no way that the USA and Europe has ever seen indigenous people displaced or cowed under a friendly dictatorship to exploit local resources right? Especially by local fanatics, using culture or religion as a pretext to cover things up.

Have you seen the media? They are calling protesters the same as 1930's brown shirts now. Setting the narrative. The hostages will all be found to be dead. Then what leverage will Hamas have?

With Gaza resolved, the Saudis get what they want, Israel gets what it wants, the USA, Europe and multinationals get what they want. Welcome to shitty world politics 101. They usually are the winners.
That is a nice movie. But that will 100% not happen.
These are all your imaginations. None of that will happen. Perhaps you can submit this script for Expendables 5.
Actually, Butler gives examples to back up his declarations.

All you give us are your predictions which are unsupported and based simply on your admitted bias and your imagination. You are supposed to tell us why he is wrong. You have done none of that.

You still have not learned how to properly debate.
 

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Which is why context matters. You are talking about Israel/Palestine, in the Israel thread. The chosen people therefore refers to Jews. The thread, and the context of your discussion are the qualifiers and any attempt to say otherwise is you pretzeling yourself for the 1,329,567th time on this thread.
The context is that Geno inferred that Jews are the ONLY people calling themselves "the chosen people" in the post where shamelessly called Palestinians "lesser humans".

I gave a clear and direct replies which was sourced which disproved his claim.

Once again, you show how little you know about debate and how you will pretzel to the Nth degree and still prove nothing. There is no context to consider. He asked and I answered.
 

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What, now you think occupiers should pay for rebuilding land when they disagree?
The latest I heard was a $40 billion price for rebuilding Gaza.
You gonna send some cash?
Please stay on topic.

The discussion was on the student protests on American campuses. Trying to make a comparison to Israel/Gaza is not valid. The students are guilty of vandalism.
 
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Actually, Butler gives examples to back up his declarations.

All you give us are your predictions which are unsupported and based simply on your admitted bias and your imagination. You are supposed to tell us why he is wrong. You have done none of that.

You still have not learned how to properly debate.
Butler provided his own imaginary scenarios that have no basis in history of this particular conflict, and are therefore off topic, and as such require no further discussion, as that would derail the thread. My predictions about what may transpire in Gaza are more in line with reality and history, something you'd be wise to learn from which could possibly help you see the reality of the genocide Israel is committing in Gaza. And no, I am not supposed to do anything.
The context is that Geno inferred that Jews are the ONLY people calling themselves "the chosen people" in the post where shamelessly called Palestinians "lesser humans".

I gave a clear and direct replies which was sourced which disproved his claim.

Once again, you show how little you know about debate and how you will pretzel to the Nth degree and still prove nothing. There is no context to consider. He asked and I answered.
No he did not infer that. His comment was in the context of this thread and in the context of Israel and Palestine. You imagined that and ended up pretzeling yourself.
 

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Sure, just as Germany was winning in 1945, buddy.
How many countries are joining forces to invade Israel the way the allies joined forces to invade Germany?

Nobody is doing anything to lift a finger to physically help the Pali cause and they can't even get anything done in the courts or the UN. All they can do is illegally block streets and camp out under the stars.

Another failed analogy Geno.
 
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How many countries are joining forces to invade Israel the way the allies joined forces to invade Germany?

Nobody is doing anything to lift a finger to physically help the Pali cause and they can't even get anything done in the courts or the UN. All they can do is illegally block streets and camp out under the stars.

Another failed analogy Geno.
You're cheering on attacking Jews now, hammy.
Your zionism is now attacking Jews.



 

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Butler provided his own imaginary scenarios that have no basis in history of this particular conflict, and are therefore off topic and as such require no further discussion, as that would derail the thread.,
Klassic Kaut. "I don't have facts. I don't have a rebuttal. Therefore let's discard valid points and claim they are irrelevant." You are soo predictable.

My predictions about what may transpire in Gaza are more in line with reality and history, something you'd be wise to learn from which could possibly help you see the reality of the genocide Israel is committing in Gaza.
The talk was about how the powers that be would deal with the Gaza situation. Butler gave his opinions with validation and you did not address it at all.

And no, I am not supposed to do anything.
You have been successful.
 
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Further proof that the occupation was stupid, the blockade was stupid, apartheid was stupid, genocide was stupid and zionism stupid and evil.
The Gazans are paying for the stupidity of Hamas' attack of Oct.7.

Israel, positioning themselves to deal with Hamas with impunity, is genius.
 

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Klassic Kaut. "I don't have facts. I don't have a rebuttal. Therefore let's discard valid points and claim they are irrelevant." You are soo predictable.
Given that I provided rebuttal that the points he raised are unrelated to the discussion on hand this is a lame false accusation, because you are butthurt as usual, that I pointed out your pretzel positions.
The talk was about how the powers that be would deal with the Gaza situation. Butler gave his opinions with validation and you did not address it at all.
Yes, and oil and arms sales etc are unrelated to the issue of Palestinian freedoms, Zionism and the genocide of the Palestinian people, which I stated already. It is not because of oil that a bunch of Zionists from Europe settled in Palestine and are committing genocide right now.
The Gazans are paying for the stupidity of Hamas' attack of Oct.7.

Israel, positioning themselves to deal with Hamas with impunity, is genius.
Calling Israel's bombardment of Gaza with no real strategy or goal, genius, is unintelligent.
 
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