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mandrill said:
No, they're humans. I never said that all Gazans are terrorists. Far from it.

Try and stick to what people actually write, not what you want them to write.
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The only way I can get Israel to make statements like that is to push.
Because once you admit that there are civilians and that 70% of the dead are women and children, you have to think about what you are doing.
Once you admit that 1 million of the people starving and dying of disease are children it should make you stop.

It should make you stop to think why Biden accused Putin of genocide for killing hundreds of children but is ok with Israel killing 10,000.

But it hasn't yet.

Why?
 
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Frankfooter said:
The only way I can get Israel to make statements like that is to push.
Because once you admit that there are civilians and that 70% of the dead are women and children, you have to think about what you are doing.
Once you admit that 1 million of the people starving and dying of disease are children it should make you stop.

It should make you stop to think why Biden accused Putin of genocide for killing hundreds of children but is ok with Israel killing 10,000.

But it hasn't yet.

Why?
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Because Russia and Hamas are both the aggressor, Farfar. Israel is defending itself.
 
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Frankfooter said:
But it hasn't yet.

Why?
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The answer to the why is easy peasy. Why doesn't Hamas lay down their weapons, all surrender, give up their lavish lifestyle in Qatar and come in to face the music and lastly, RELEASE ALL THE DAMN hostages they took on their terrorist rampage on Oct. 7. SO simple yet, so hard to understand if you're standing firm on the side of Hamas.
 
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squeezer said:
The answer to the why is easy peasy. Why doesn't Hamas lay down their weapons, all surrender, give up their lavish lifestyle in Qatar and come in to face the music and lastly, RELEASE ALL THE DAMN hostages they took on their terrorist rampage on Oct. 7. SO simple yet, so hard to understand if you're standing firm on the side of Hamas.
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Ah, the rapist wants the victim to stop fighting back or they will have to break their arms, their face and kill their children.
If Hamas surrenders Israel goes through and kills every male they think might be Hamas and every woman and child who might support them,.
As Netanyahu and his government repeatedly have declared.

He offers a choice: die or surrender and die, you'd pick surrender and die?

Netanyahu says, ‘We fight until victory’

The Israeli prime minister has given his latest vow that fighting in Gaza would not stop until the “elimination of Hamas”.
“The choice I offer to Hamas is very simple: surrender or die,” he said in a video message. “They don’t have and won’t have any other choice.”
 
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Sure…Merkava and Abrahms sounds so similar….lol. Easy mistake to make if you don’t know much about the subject.
And those destroyed tanks are devoid of tracks and covered with holes penetrating their armor. You forgot what looked like mortally wounded occupation thugs. And those RPGs can certainly defeat the Trophy system if close enough. Hamas trained the resistance fighters on the method
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So the best you can come up with is a couple of disabled (not destroyed) tanks and that's all you got??!! :D
 
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Netanyahu and the IDF are very popular now.

Killed captive’s brother tells Israeli defence minister he would ‘haunt’ him in his sleep

Yonatan Shamriz, whose brother Alon was among the three Israeli captives killed by the military in Gaza, says that he angrily threatened Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant in a phone call.
“I told him I’d hunt after him until he is in the ground – him and everyone sitting there,” he told Israel’s Channel 12, according to quotes published by the Times of Israel. “[I told him] that they’re responsible for what happened.”

UN SC vote soon.
Can Israel rally this much support again?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737662977095180653
 
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Well, it is not such a rosy picture as portrayed by Israel's army's offensive in Gaza:

Israel is losing the war against Hamas – but Netanyahu and his government will never admit it

The official narrative has been that Hamas is weakened, but in reality the IDF’s doctrine of massive force is failing

www.theguardian.com

Israel is losing the war against Hamas – but Netanyahu and his government will never admit it | Paul Rogers

The official narrative has been that Hamas is weakened, but in reality the IDF’s doctrine of massive force is failing, says academic Paul Rogers
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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bver_hunter said:
Well, it is not such a rosy picture as portrayed by Israel's army's offensive in Gaza:

Israel is losing the war against Hamas – but Netanyahu and his government will never admit it

The official narrative has been that Hamas is weakened, but in reality the IDF’s doctrine of massive force is failing

www.theguardian.com

Israel is losing the war against Hamas – but Netanyahu and his government will never admit it | Paul Rogers

The official narrative has been that Hamas is weakened, but in reality the IDF’s doctrine of massive force is failing, says academic Paul Rogers
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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No. Just because some asshole writes an Op Ed in the Guardian does not make it true. Sorry.
 
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Kautilya said:
Its the same as fighting the Taliban. They can't beat you, but you can't win either. Ideologies cannot be defeated via bombings and people get ideologies mixed up with factions.
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The only smart thing that "The Muslim Brotherhood" has said on TERB this week.

But we'll see.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Netanyahu and the IDF are very popular now.

Killed captive’s brother tells Israeli defence minister he would ‘haunt’ him in his sleep
Yonatan Shamriz, whose brother Alon was among the three Israeli captives killed by the military in Gaza, says that he angrily threatened Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant in a phone call.
“I told him I’d hunt after him until he is in the ground – him and everyone sitting there,” he told Israel’s Channel 12, according to quotes published by the Times of Israel. “[I told him] that they’re responsible for what happened.”

UN SC vote soon.
Can Israel rally this much support again?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737662977095180653
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But here's the difference, Farfar.

When Hamas kills Israelis, the IDF goes in after them and kills Hamas.

When the IDF kills Hamas, the Hamas guy's brother phones up the Israeli defence minister - at least according to this unlikely story - and says cheeky things to him.
 
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squeezer said:
The answer to the why is easy peasy. Why doesn't Hamas lay down their weapons, all surrender, give up their lavish lifestyle in Qatar and come in to face the music and lastly, RELEASE ALL THE DAMN hostages they took on their terrorist rampage on Oct. 7. SO simple yet, so hard to understand if you're standing firm on the side of Hamas.
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Hamas needs to be fully condemned for the massacre that started this whole war between them and Israel. But Netanyahu clearly stated that this war could last for months.
The reason is that the IDF are not presently eliminating that many Hamas militants. (See my above post) If Hamas were cornered they would have either killed or released all those hostages.
This will be a long dragged out war and the only victims are bound to be the Palestinian women and children. Unless both Netanyahu and Hamas agree to a Two State Solution I think that this will be just the beginning of a long conflict in the region that could eventually drag The West Bank into the mix!!
 
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mandrill said:
No. Just because some asshole writes an Op Ed in the Guardian does not make it true. Sorry.
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But then why does Netanyahu admit that this war will take a number of months and the end is not in sight?
See, you cannot trust all the facts from both sides of this conflict. What makes this Journalist an "asshole"? We have to wait to see whether what he stated has the substance or not. But with Netanyahu digging his heels into a long term conflict means once again that all is not that rosy on the Israeli side of the conflict. Otherwise why are also the vast majority of nations around the Globe wanting an immediate ceasefire?
 
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Kautilya said:
Well, so if you acknowledge that as smart, then it automatically follows that it makes no sense to carpet bomb Gaza, and kill 20,000 people. Will our resident TERB "Kahanists" now immediately pivot?
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That’s why IDF is not carpet bombing
 
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