Israel at war

Frankfooter

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Not true at all. Arafat said no when offered 95% or so of the west bank.

Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

There was a ton of offers over the years. It's your friends who wanted it all and they still do and say as much.
There were no offers and there has been no peace and no peace talks for a decade,.
Just more apartheid, land theft and killing Palestinians.

This is the reporter who found the babies left to die by the IDF.
The IDF used a sniper to kill him, letting him bleed out for six hours and shooting anyone who tried to help.

Genocide.


 
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shack

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Wrong - Hamas and all Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation but its a war crime to target civilians, they should be investigated for those acts as should Israel. I am not happy anyone on either side has been killed, BDS and the end of apartheid is what I support, non violent end to the occupation.
Israel has the right to self defense against terrorist attacks, which are war crimes. You continually try to justify the attack of Oct. 7. As such, you support that violence. Your words of non-support of violence ring hollow, as even in this post you somehow seem to think that killing 1,200 civilians is resistance. It was an undeniably cowardly sneak attack that has no equivalency to resistance. It was an act of aggression intended to draw a response from Israel. And now that Israel has responded you complain about it.

Wrong - I support a ceasefire and sanctions to end apartheid. Hamas and Palestinians have a right to self defence given Israel has refused all peace talks and continues to steal their land. But BDS and sanctions is my preference, that's what I support.
Wrong. Hamas has broken every ceasefire, including as recently as a couple of weeks ago when they stopped returning hostages. Claiming that Israel refused peace talks is a lie. Palestinians have rejected every land accord.

And I keep asking, why do you not support a solution of Hamas surrender which immediately stops the violence. No negotiations required. Why do you support a solution that takes months or years to take effect all the while more Palestinians die. There is absolutely no logic to it unless the strategy is to allow more Gazans to die so that Israel can be further demonized.

Please explain how and why delaying the end of the war is better than ending it immediately. Once again, your words ring hollow. You have NEVER been able to explain how waiting for BDS and protracted negotiations for a cease fire is faster and saves more lives than an unconditional surrender. A Hamas surrender in no way precludes a BDS movement or even delays it. The same goes for negotiations. Supporting your plan is totally irrational. Where is the logic in justifying your stance?

Wrong - you intentionally trying to claim a declaration for freedom and human rights means genocide.
Israeli Arab civilians have equal rights. By definition it means claims of apartheid are patently false.

Wrong - There is no evidence that is happening but there is increasing evidence Israel are again using human shields.
Fail. A classic case of you claiming that reality is a lie. That is your only defense because the documented facts and videos prove you wrong. And it's a joke of a defense.

Wrong - only a ceasefire and negotiations will return the hostages as Netanyahu already proved. He also just shot three hostages holding white flags, clearly he wants them and all Palestinians dead.
Actually, actually, the only thing it proved is that trying to negotiate with Hamas in good faith is an exercise in futility. Hamas broke the agreement by unilaterally stopping the return of hostages. They've broken every ceasefire.

No, I back equal rights for all regardless of race, you back racist, colonialism implemented through apartheid and genocide. Polar opposites, buddy.
There is no apartheid. Arab citizens of Israel have equal rights including being elected members of parliament. There is no genocide since Israel is going after Hamas and Hamas is not a race. They are terror organization. Nobody claimed that going after Isis was genocide.

Your claims are without merit, dude.
 

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Every one of your posts, Mandy, has a “Israel is not responsible“ logic. Israel is never, ever responsible. Because anyone responsible is accountable….and that’s the last thing an Israeli supporter can cope with. Just like Trump and Giuliani.
Is Hamas responsible for Oct. 7?
 

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Holy shit, I have to say.

Shack
Mandrill
Leimonis
XMontrealer

All four have confirmed that they think Israel is apartheid and needs to be more brutally apartheid for 'peace' today.
People are no longer listening to you. BTW, you left out a bunch of others who'd like to be included.

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richaceg

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You are a hasbara troll, shack.

All that proves is you can't debate honestly and have to resort to trolling.
1) Troll - I have repeatedly called BDS to end apartheid so stupid attacks like this are no longer needed, you are a POS for lying.
2) Troll - I have repeatedly called for a ceasefire so nobody on either side gets killed, you are a POS for lying.

Just give up the stupid trolling.
You can't debate for shit...all you do is post pro hamas tweets.. your statement that Israel is a terrorist in its entirety tells us what you are...
 
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No, mandrill, this report which is already 5 days old came from the WHO.

You, shack and basketcase are dismissive of every single legit source of information.
Every single one.
You saying Dec 7 happened because iaraelis was partying too close to the wall thats why hamas killed 1200 of em....was the most dismissive claim of all...
 
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More details on today's killing of an Al Jazeera journalist.
Its f'ng sick, killing journalists.
Its sick enough killing women and children.


Colleagues ‘upset, in awe’ of Palestinian journalists after killing of Al Jazeera cameraman
Reporting from Ramallah, occupied West Bank
Just walking into the [Al Jazeera] Ramallah office and seeing the faces of our colleagues says it all: Everyone is crestfallen. Everyone is upset and in shock.
Since the war began, I and a number of my colleagues, we are waking up in the morning and we are checking our phones, the very first thing that we do, we are checking to see if Youmna, if Hind, if Hani, if Tareq, if Safwat, if Sami and if Maher are all still alive.
People that we work with very closely.
I was last in the [Gaza] bureau in January, and even then, it was tough for them to report because of the Israeli siege.
We are all completely in awe when it comes to Palestinian journalists. Not just in Gaza, even here in the occupied West Bank.
There isn’t a single Palestinian journalist who you speak to that won’t tell you a story of either being detained, or being shot at, or being tear gassed, or being harassed, or their families being harassed.
Since October 7th it has got a lot tougher to be a Palestinian journalist … and yet, they still do what they are doing.
This is really the message I have taken away from all of our colleagues in Gaza: They wake up every morning with a determination to continue reporting.
I am actually in awe of it.
The soldiers were probably shooting at anything that was moving. Welcome to the front lines in an urban battle, Frankie.
 
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