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Frankfooter

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So you propose to give full citizenship to millions of people.
75% of which believes that it’s not good enough and about 50% approve of active intifada aka terrorism to push the Jews out.

What exactly would stop hamas from continuing attacks, just from a stronger position? How much blood do you think would be shed if this arrangement came to fruition?

can you please admit that what you have suggested would be a suicide for israel and therefore pure insanity.
Not just me, the UN Rapporteur on Israel/Palestine, and many, many others.
Equal rights will not be suicide for Israel, its the only path forward to peace left.

Most Israelis are supporting genocide yet I have hope that they can get over this hate, like your blatant hate of Palestinians, and learn to live together peacefully. Killing people will not lead to peace.

How much blood is being shed right now? How many children do you have to kill to think you are safe?

‘Flooded with dead bodies’

Since the early morning, hospitals in Gaza have been receiving dozens of bodies as Israeli air strikes continue to pound the enclave for a fourth consecutive day after the collapse of the truce.

“We are flooded with an influx of dead bodies,” Munir al-Bursh, director-general of Gaza’s Health Ministry, told Al Jazeera.

“All our hospitals can no longer offer any kind of help to victims. All our medical equipment was destroyed by the Israeli occupation soldiers,” al-Bursh said.
In a few hours, he said, the Kamal Adwan Hospital in northern Gaza will be out of electricity. Ambulances and medics have repeatedly been targeted, including a healthcare worker who was shot while carrying a victim towards al-Awda Hospital.

Out of 40,000 injured, only 400 reached the Rafah crossing in the south, the director said.

“This is a belligerent murderous enemy; with one target only: killing civilians in cold blood,” he added.


This will not lead to peace.

 

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These muslims fucks will pull a Rwanda if given citizenship.

They need to leave Gaza and West Bank much like Israelis leaving Egypt (The Exodus).

The only problem is these people cause trouble everywhere they go (see Lebanon), so nobody wants them.

Iran can take all of them since they love Hamas so much.
Thanks for making it clear how much racist hate comes from the supporters of Israel.
This kind of genocidal hate is what you accuse of Hamas yet don't even see in yourself.
Israel is pulling a Rwanda right now on Gaza.

Palestinians are the majority in Israel.

They aren't the ones causing the trouble.

What ‘tunnels’ and ‘hostages’ mean in Gaza
I grew up in Gaza where tunnels provided us with essentials Israel banned and hostages were the Palestinians it imprisoned unjustly.
 
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So two months in and very little has changed, other than a brief ceasefire and hostage exchange. Nor has anything changed here.

1) that suggest to me, neither Israel or Hamas give a shit what “you” or the world and the SJWs think. The gloves came off.

2) For the most part, Western and thankfully Arab leaders have stayed clear. Have and are, for lack of better words. Letting them settle it themselves, how they see fit. Realistically the only wise, prudent, thing to do.

So um………….

3) The rest of the world, in particular the more vocal minority.

“Deal with it”.
20,000 dead
all hospitals out of action
all infrastructure destroyed
1/2 of all housing destroyed
all bakeries destroyed

Israel universally reviled around the world.
Netanyahu corruption trial resuming
Biden's reelection is over
Hamas is still there





 
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Blumenthal is a notorious pro Assad / pro Putin bullshit artist.

Klatuu, do better!
 

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Not just me, the UN Rapporteur on Israel/Palestine, and many, many others.
Equal rights will not be suicide for Israel, its the only path forward to peace left.

Most Israelis are supporting genocide yet I have hope that they can get over this hate, like your blatant hate of Palestinians, and learn to live together peacefully. Killing people will not lead to peace.

How much blood is being shed right now? How many children do you have to kill to think you are safe?
So just to make sure I understand what you’re saying, israel should immediately allow two million Gazans including hamas to freely roam their country and hope that hamas and a more than a million Gazans who want Jews dead or gone are going to do what exactly? Not kill too many Jews and then they all will learn to live in peace?
Spell it out for us. How exactly is that supposed to unfold?
 

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Well I have always believed that Hamas is a terror group and up to no good. But that said, how do you envision them 'capitulating'? They may not remain in power, but they will still exist as an extremist group. The Hamas guys are all replaceable. I have no problem with Hamas being decapitated or disemboweled. What I do have a problem with is Palestinian civilians, especially kids being decapitated and disemboweled, which is what is happening today. And that is not an exaggeration because I posted a graphic pic a couple pages ago. Such violence will only create MORE terror, not less. Infact, we have lessons we learned from the 20 year war on terror, where it actually created more terror, not less. So guarantee this will never happen again? I can guarantee you that this will happen again, and worse, 10,000%, in one form or another, if Israel keeps going down this road, which they most certainly are. Infact, they have already succeeded in creating many terrorists for the future.



Firstly, the analogy with the indigenous folks is actually working against your argument for a one state solution, because that is precisely what we have here. A one state solution. Indigenous people are citizens of Canada and they can do whatever they want, the same as us, after decades of slaughtering each other.

Secondly, the 2 state solution is dead. For a 2 state solution to happen we need 3 primary things:

1. Israel needs to agree: Israel won't. Infact, they have said that they won't. Infact here is Bibi, telling you that there will be no Palestinian state. So please tell me, how is a 2 state solution possible, when Bibi has a "no Palestinian statehood" platform. Infact, his Likud charter that I highlighted in my last response, shows that he wants to keep building settlements and that he only will agree to Israeli sovereignty between Jordan and the sea. (River to the sea).


2. Palestine needs to agree: For Palestine to agree, they need absolute independence. Politically, economically, militarily and morally. Forget land for a second. Will Israel agree to such independence? Not possible, given the above declaration that from the river to the sea, Bibi will only agree to Israeli sovereignty.

3. There needs to be contiguous land. Here is the map of Israel with the Palestinian areas highlighted in white. Please tell me how a 2 state solution can be formed with this current scenario:

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So once again, when you talk about 2-state solutions, Hamas surrendering etc., these are disingenuous and not well thought out statements where you are basically spouting talking points, knowing full well, that what you are really supporting is ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Palestinians. Atleast, Mandrill said it out loud that he thinks the Palestinians should just leave to Egypt and Jordan. So if that is what you think, you should say that out loud, but atleast have the honesty to acknowledge the injustice you are supporting instead of empty words. 🤷‍♂️

So given this scenario, the only solution that will work, is steps towards a one-state solution. Baby steps, towards a one state solution to eventually happen a few decades later.

The only other option is genocide. So you decide, whether you want to be on the side of genocide or on the side of taking those steps necessary to integrate the Palestinians as equal citizens, into the only viable state we have right now, which is Israel.
I ma not sure why it is so difficult for you and your friends to get it through your heads that a one state solution will NEVER happen. The sooner that is accepted the sooner there may be some glimmer of hope for a sovereign Palestine in the WB and Gaza. The fantasy you are promoting has been the biggest obstacle to any hope of resolution.
 

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So given this scenario, the only solution that will work, is steps towards a one-state solution. Baby steps, towards a one state solution to eventually happen a few decades later.

The only other option is genocide. So you decide, whether you want to be on the side of genocide or on the side of taking those steps necessary to integrate the Palestinians as equal citizens, into the only viable state we have right now, which is Israel.
So israel is supposed to be integrating Gazans during decades as they continue terrorist acts just as they say.
How is that not suicidal for israel?
 
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I ma not sure why it is so difficult for you and your friends to get it through your heads that a one state solution will NEVER happen. The sooner that is accepted the sooner there may be some glimmer of hope for a sovereign Palestine in the WB and Gaza. The fantasy you are promoting has been the biggest obstacle to any hope of resolution.
Looks like they consider themselves noble saviours of Palestinian children which is such a triumph of human spirit that further brain activity becomes unnecessary and there is no need to worry about how their solutions would work practically
 
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I don't know why it is so difficult for you to get it through your heads that a two state solution will NEVER happen. Here is Bibi TELLING YOU that it will never happen. Also read my previous post about why it is not possible.


So please explain. Why will there be a 2 state solution?

Or you can be a man about it, stop using weasel words, and admit the truth, that what you REALLY want is to genocide the Palestinians or ethnically cleanse the region of the Palestinians by driving them into neighboring countries, so the only people left there are the Jews, to whom you believe the entire land belongs - from the river to the sea.
If you believe that, and I do not, then there will be no hope of peace. The real losers in that situation are the Palestinians. Sad.

I am hopeful and optimistic that one day there will be leaders on both sides who are prepared to make the very hard decisions which are necessary for there to be peace. That means that Israel will have to abandon many settlements and the Palestinians will have to accept the right of Israel to exist without secure borders and that means eliminating Hamas and its tunnels and its rockets etc. Bibi is not that leader and regrettably the actions of Hamas strengthens the position of the hawks.
 
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Well I have always believed that Hamas is a terror group and up to no good. But that said, how do you envision them 'capitulating'? They may not remain in power, but they will still exist as an extremist group. The Hamas guys are all replaceable. I have no problem with Hamas being decapitated or disemboweled. What I do have a problem with is Palestinian civilians, especially kids being decapitated and disemboweled, which is what is happening today. And that is not an exaggeration because I posted a graphic pic a couple pages ago. Such violence will only create MORE terror, not less. Infact, we have lessons we learned from the 20 year war on terror, where it actually created more terror, not less. So guarantee this will never happen again? I can guarantee you that this will happen again, and worse, 10,000%, in one form or another, if Israel keeps going down this road, which they most certainly are. Infact, they have already succeeded in creating many terrorists for the future.



Firstly, the analogy with the indigenous folks is actually working against your argument for a one state solution, because that is precisely what we have here. A one state solution. Indigenous people are citizens of Canada and they can do whatever they want, the same as us, after decades of slaughtering each other.

Secondly, the 2 state solution is dead. For a 2 state solution to happen we need 3 primary things:

1. Israel needs to agree: Israel won't. Infact, they have said that they won't. Infact here is Bibi, telling you that there will be no Palestinian state. So please tell me, how is a 2 state solution possible, when Bibi has a "no Palestinian statehood" platform. Infact, his Likud charter that I highlighted in my last response, shows that he wants to keep building settlements and that he only will agree to Israeli sovereignty between Jordan and the sea. (River to the sea).


2. Palestine needs to agree: For Palestine to agree, they need absolute independence. Politically, economically, militarily and morally. Forget land for a second. Will Israel agree to such independence? Not possible, given the above declaration that from the river to the sea, Bibi will only agree to Israeli sovereignty.

3. There needs to be contiguous land. Here is the map of Israel with the Palestinian areas highlighted in white. Please tell me how a 2 state solution can be formed with this current scenario:

View attachment 280073


So once again, when you talk about 2-state solutions, Hamas surrendering etc., these are disingenuous and not well thought out statements where you are basically spouting talking points, knowing full well, that what you are really supporting is ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Palestinians. Atleast, Mandrill said it out loud that he thinks the Palestinians should just leave to Egypt and Jordan. So if that is what you think, you should say that out loud, but atleast have the honesty to acknowledge the injustice you are supporting instead of empty words. 🤷‍♂️

So given this scenario, the only solution that will work, is steps towards a one-state solution. Baby steps, towards a one state solution to eventually happen a few decades later.

The only other option is genocide. So you decide, whether you want to be on the side of genocide or on the side of taking those steps necessary to integrate the Palestinians as equal citizens, into the only viable state we have right now, which is Israel.
The problem there is that palestinians were either bullied (by Hamas) or given false hopes (by Hamas) to vote for them...it's quite easy to do to citizens if you have Money, arms and criminals who don't answer ot no one....Hamas isn't just your simple criminals...they are heavily funded...not just by Iran...but basically once they gained the votes...are now also heavily funded by the UN and the rest of the world...they hijacked the funds that's suppose to go to the citizens of gaza...those funds should have been for water filtration, maybe a power plant, maybe a telecommunications hub...you know, the basic necessities to run a small city...but no...it went to rockets, tunnels and arms...
 

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Practicality is important. How practical is it to expect Israel to remove 670,000 settlers and their homes and businesses? And how practical is it to expect Israel to agree to total Palestinian independence - which means Palestinians will have an army, navy and air force, have their own government, trade relations and so on? The PA did recognize Israel previously, but nothing came of it. The real issue is that the Israelis have no political incentive or intent to grant a 2 or 1 state solution for the Palestinians and Bibi or not, mean to take ALL lands from the river to the sea for themselves, even if it takes another 100 years of violence. That is the Israeli psyche and attitude.
speaking of practicality...is it more practical to build tunnels and buy rockets and plot an assault than build a water filtration, schools and maybe a powerplant ? i mean the tunnels and rockets were great for the demolition of gaza....but still...
 
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If you believe that, and I do not, then there will be no hope of peace. The real losers in that situation are the Palestinians. Sad.
And the real winners today are Putin and Trump. Good job SJWs!
 
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