Israel at war

Not getting younger

Well-known member
Jun 29, 2022
4,555
2,458
113
Yeah but that is terrorist sympathizing. So hate on that guy. I would say the same about the guy with the Nazi flag, the guy with the confederate flag in the trucker convoy. They are just as dangerous - if not more dangerous, because in the west we are more likely to experience right wing extremism.

But there are plenty of Muslims in Canada who are peaceful and good citizens, who don't do that or support that for that matter. To call their entire culture(s) and religion a death cult, means you are saying that Islam is terrorism. That is Islamaphobia, Xenophobia and Racism all rolled into one.
Is that an example of implicit bias and profiling? Yes it is, unless you have stats that show the majority of violent crimes are committed by right wing extremist.

I took a couple minutes. Presently Muslims make up 4.9% of Canadas population and 6% of incarcerated people. Christians are 53.3% of the population and 51.2% of of those incarcerated.
 

Butler1000

Well-known member
Oct 31, 2011
30,426
4,637
113
That is Islamaphobia and racism. You need to change your views by educating yourself.
Islam is a religion, not a race. That makes it a choice. It is also an authoritarian system of laws and governance that lessens women, advocates for killing gay people, and states that apostates are subject to the death penalty. It states that war is justified against all non believers. It is anti Western values pertaining to both human rights and commerce. Placing its belief system above individual liberty.

I fear it the same way I fear other authoritarian systems designed to subjugate people. The notion its racism is laughable. The notion of "islamophobia" is a lie. Its like saying Naziphobia.

If it was passive, and underwent a Reformation process to excise the concepts of Jihad, Martyrdom and other violent aspects it could be tolerated as a structured belief system. In its present form its a threat. To people.

And that IS the educated opinion.
 

Butler1000

Well-known member
Oct 31, 2011
30,426
4,637
113
The fact that you characterize the ENTIRETY of Islam as an authoritarian death cult, that advocates killing of gay people, subjugation of women etc is ignorant, Islamaphobic, Xenophobic and Racist. That you double down on it shows that it is actually an illiterate opinion. Not an informed one.

Christianity and Judaism also advocate for killing of gay people. There are evangelicals and their equivalent conservative Jews who similarly advocate for killing gays, and subjugating women etc., Extremist elements in any religion, are authoritarian.

That does not make ALL Muslims, and the ENTIRE religion of Islam, a terrorist death cult. The majority of Muslims are peaceful people.

You also forget that there are different sects, practices within Islam. So yes, is the Salafist or Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam that groups like ISIS, Taliban and Al-Qaeda follow, severe and violent? Sure. They are hardline, puritanical.

Do the majority of Muslims live per those rules? No they do not.

So stop confusing your ignorance for knowledge.
The majority of Muslims live under Sharia Law. That they approve of. If you want a real example in real time of what happens when Muslims gain a majority population look no futher than Indonesia and Aceh province.

And yes I agree other religions also are homophobic. And happily state they are wrong too. So what?

Muslim majority nation inevitably become theocracies or dictatorships. Its really that simple. I wish to live under neither. So I oppose its existence. The two major sects are at war with the world and eachother. You just haven't figured it out yet.
 
  • Like
Reactions: xmontrealer

Butler1000

Well-known member
Oct 31, 2011
30,426
4,637
113
No they do not. The majority of the Muslims in the world do not live under 100% Sharia Law. It is usually the case where a few laws reference Sharia, but it is not the kind that you find in Afghanistan imposed by the Taliban. And Sharia Law interpretations also differ.

You are again conflating extremist, hardline and puritanical versions of Islam and Sharia Law with regular peaceful interpretations and practices.

Saying they are "wrong" or their values do not align with me, is not what you are doing here.

You are being racist, xenophobic and islamaphobic by taking the worst elements of Islam and applying it to EVERYBODY.

That is like saying all white people are racist, because Butler1000 is racist.

Oh and btw, if you do not wish to live under a theocracy or a dictatorship, don't go to those countries. But you live in Canada. Why oppose anyone's existence while not even being impacted by life and culture somewhere else? That is as irrational, as your racism against Muslims is.

So this is your reason for supporting Israel. Not because you want good things for Palestinians by removing Hamas. But because it hurts the people that you don't like or have chosen to stereotype as less than human. Behind every right winger, there is a always a whole load of malice. Never good intentions. lol.
I oppose it because the cult is expansionist. They tried to introduce Sharia Law in Ontario. Aceh Province in Indonesia has introduced Sharia law and its punishments. Iran? We can go on and on.

The end result will alway be extremist. That's the end game. The "Peace of Islam" is doctrine for, once everyone is Muslim, then there will be peace. That's the goal.

Ans again. Islam isn't a race. Its a choice.
 

Klatuu

Well-known member
Dec 31, 2022
5,724
3,344
113
I oppose it because the cult is expansionist. They tried to introduce Sharia Law in Ontario. Aceh Province in Indonesia has introduced Sharia law and its punishments. Iran? We can go on and on.

The end result will alway be extremist. That's the end game. The "Peace of Islam" is doctrine for, once everyone is Muslim, then there will be peace. That's the goal.

Ans again. Islam isn't a race. Its a choice.
Nuts’R’Us

You are so well informed.

 

shapeup1

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2002
1,790
150
63
Canada
The older parents were proud of their son, lots of Palestinians are happy when they kill Jews.

Chilling recording: 'Hi Dad, look how many Jews I killed!'

Terrorist used victim's phone to call his family in Gaza and boast of how many Jews he killed during the Simchat Torah massacre.


As part of the efforts to establish full control and rehabilitate the communities hit by Hamas' invasion and massacre in southern Israel, the Shin Bet and the IDF located a telephone belonging to one of the murdered women that was used by one of the terrorists.

On this telephone, a recording was found of a conversation between the terrorist and his family in the Gaza Strip, in which he proudly celebrates the massacre he committed against the Jews, claiming to have killed ten Jews on his own.

His father and mother - civilians - express their pride in him.

The recording was revealed for the first time this evening at the UN Security Council.

 

shapeup1

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2002
1,790
150
63
Canada
Hamas is just an example of how Iran would use nuclear weapons if the had it. Iran is the head of the snake, they support and provide for terrorism across the world. They need to get rid of the Ayatollahs and let the Persian people take over. Obama abandoned the Persians when they tried to revolt.

The barbarism of Hamas is a prelude to Iran going nuclear

Just as the free world acted in the face of the Nazis, the same should be done in the face of the terrorist regime in Iran. Terrorists cannot be appeased. Opinion.

 
  • Like
Reactions: xmontrealer

Frankfooter

dangling member
Apr 10, 2015
91,733
22,209
113
No. They need that money to buy rockets and conduct terrorist attacks. They don't care about the Palestinians.
No, everyone knew this was coming because Israel didn't work towards peace and instead made everything worse.

As Michael Lynk, the Canadian UN rapporteur said

A long time coming’: Explosion of violence long predicted – analyst

Michael Lynk, a former UN special rapporteur for the occupied territories, says it is no surprise that violence exploded after decades of maltreatment of the Palestinian people.

“This is a long time coming. Myself and my predecessors have pointed out the increasingly entrenched nature of the occupation – the growth of the settlements, the expanding land appropriation, the increased violence,” Lynk told Al Jazeera.

“Those dark moments are preludes to what we’re seeing now. You cannot continually put a cork on a volcano and expect it to hold back the explosion. The killing and kidnapping of Israelis civilians – those are clearly war crimes. But war crimes committed by one side do not allow war crimes committed by the other.”

Asked why the West unconditionally supports Israel’s occupation, Lynk added, “There is a narrative about Israel that it is a law-abiding democracy that shares values with the West – and that sometimes is a blind spot when it comes to the Palestinians. It doesn’t take into account the many violations of international law – the settlements, the annexations, the penning in of people.

“There is a longstanding sense that Israel is the West’s compensation for what it did and what it allowed with respect to European Jewry during the second world war: the promise that Jews deserve their own homeland where they can be safe and secure.

“What never is factored in is the process where a Jewish state was meant to replace an Arab state – and the suffering that occurred from that.”
 
  • Like
Reactions: Klatuu

Frankfooter

dangling member
Apr 10, 2015
91,733
22,209
113
I get that. But my heart is hardened here. Just as it would have been in 1945. I truly consider Islam to be an authoritarian threat. A death cult.

So its not making light imo, its just acknowledging the true horror with stoicism.
So you have massive racial hatred towards Palestinians and use that to justify genocide on them?

This is genocide.

 
  • Like
Reactions: Kautilya and Klatuu

xmontrealer

Well-known member
May 23, 2005
10,047
7,428
113
Israel shows graphic video of Hamas terror attacks as part of "narrative battle"
Story by Roxana Saberi • 1h

In an auditorium at an Israeli military base north of Tel Aviv on Monday, I joined dozens of foreign journalists who were shown 43 minutes of graphic, gruesome footage and photographs that the Israel Defense Forces said were made during Hamas's Oct. 7 attack on Israel. Some of the images had circulated online before, in some cases in truncated and edited form, but most of what we saw was unedited and very disturbing.

The IDF said it compiled the images from militants' body cameras, victims' dash cams and cellphones, security cameras at kibbutzim, and other sources. The IDF decided to share them, international spokesman Lt. Col. Richard Hecht told me, as part of his country's "narrative battle." It comes as international criticism mounts over civilian casualties in Israel's military campaign in Gaza.
"We understand that there's a narrative battle here and that we have to show the world what happened here," Hecht said. "We're doing everything we can to show the media that there's a reason why we're doing what we're doing. [Hamas] started this in the most heinous way."

We were not allowed to record the images played for us by the IDF — we were told, out of respect for grieving families. The Hamas militants who launched the surprise attack on Israel operated on a much different policy, filming and livestreaming parts of their murderous rampage with body or helmet cameras.

Not all of the material could be independently verified by the news media. This is some of what we were shown:
Hamas militants lobbing a grenade into what appears to be a home bomb shelter, killing a father before he could slam the door shut. His young sons, wearing only their underwear, were splattered with blood but survived. In another clip, the boys are in their kitchen, crying out for their mother, as one attacker pulls a Coca-Cola from their refrigerator and takes a leisurely sip. The younger brother says he can't see out of one eye and asks, "Why am I alive?"

View on Watch
Some journalists in the hall gasped and held their heads in their hands.
In another clip, a militant stands over a man who appears to have been shot in the gut and hacks at him multiple times with a garden hoe.
As Hamas fighters raged through another kibbutz, we watched them set fire to a home; shoot a black Labrador trotting toward them; and execute a man in a living room chair through his screen door — he groans and slumps over.

We also saw clips of militants firing at close range at two women huddling in fear under a desk; spraying bullets at unsuspecting drivers until their cars slow to a halt; dragging bloodied bodies out of one car and driving it away.
At the Nova music festival, we saw young Israelis smiling and dancing; later, Hamas militants fire at festival-goers hiding under cars and then meticulously shoot into a line of portable toilets. They toss hostages — bloodied and barely moving — into a pile in the back of a pickup truck.

During the screening, most journalists sat silently watching. A few peered at the videos through their fingers. At least one was crying.
Then there is a chilling cellphone recording the IDF said it retrieved from a call-recording app on a phone found at the scene — a Hamas fighter's call to his parents in Gaza, boasting, "Dad, I killed 10 [Jews] with my bare hands."

"Mahmood, where are you?" his father asks.
Mahmood names a kibbutz in southern Israel, adding, "Please, be proud of me."
We hear his mother cry in the background, "Promise you'll return home!"

After the viewing, IDF Major General Mickey Edelstein explained why the IDF had invited international journalists there to watch the videos: He said he was "shocked" to see some media trying to equate Israel's actions in Gaza with Hamas's atrocities in Israel. "Is it equal? I cannot understand such a comparison," he said.

Israel says Hamas' attacks killed more than 1,400 people and left 5,400 wounded. More than two weeks of Israel's retaliatory airstrikes on Gaza have killed nearly 5,800 people and injured almost 16,300, according to Gaza's Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas.

As images of the devastation in Gaza — including Palestinian women and children displaced, maimed, killed or weeping for their loved ones — have filled the airwaves and social media, Israeli authorities have become keenly aware that the sympathy their country received after the Oct. 7 attacks has been waning as international condemnation grows — a shift that Hamas appears ready to exploit."We are not fighting the civilians, the kids in Gaza," Lt. Col. Hecht told me. "But this is a very complex situation, and we will make sure Hamas is eradicated."

When I asked him about criticism that Israel must do more to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza and that it has struck civilians who had evacuated to southern Gaza after Israel warned them to leave the north, Hecht responded that Hamas is "using their people as … human shields. … [Hamas] wants their people to get hurt."
"We're doing everything we can to notify civilians to move," he said. "… But you saw the visuals. [Hamas] came in and they went for anyone they could, and we have the obligation for this not to happen again. We're protecting our nation."

When I pointed out to Hecht that many people felt sympathy for Israelis who suffered in the Oct. 7 attacks, but they also feel sympathy for Palestinian civilians in Gaza, he said, "So do we."


CBS NewsVisit CBS News
 
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts