Israel at war

[richaceg]

Do you always hear voices in your head?

 

[Butler1000]

You said Islam was a death cult that practiced the dangerous Sharia Law. So show me where someone was trying to turn Ontario into a death cult that only the Taliban style Sharia Law can. Don't keep deflecting. Another option for you is to just say that you were wrong.

Slippery slope. Just like Aceh province. Go look it up. And you are boring me now.

 

[richaceg]

This is a very myopic, one-sided view where, Israel is evil, and the Palestinians are good. I am not sure if you are Palestinian by origin, that you have such a one-sided view of history.

If you read Israel's history, even before 1948, the Jewish and Arab Muslim factions were forming paramilitary units to attack each other. Subsequently, there have been numerous attacks, that Israel has repelled.

For example, after the 1948 war, it was Jordan that held the West Bank, and Egypt, Gaza. Did the Palestinians not have an opportunity to form a state then (between 1949 and 1967) ? After 1967, when Israel took over the West Bank as a result of the 6 day war, and settlers started establishing themselves (they shouldn't have), apartheid started partly as a way to fend off suicide bombings. The wall, checkpoints etc are examples of safety measures that yes, amount to apartheid, but were put in place to ensure safety.

Based on what I have heard Palestinians say - that Israel is an illusion that should not exist and that the entire land, river to sea, belongs to them, I am unsure what Palestinians would have done, had the Israelis lost. I am sure they would have ethnically cleansed the Jews based on that alone. Now am not saying Jews in Israel do not argue this - there are several that consider the Palestinians as the occupiers and want them to go away. But the proportion of Israelis who propose to live together in peace seems to be far higher than the proportion of Palestinians who want to live in peace next to the Jews.

The fundamental problem with Palestinian demands (and that of the Arab Muslim world), seems to be that according to them, any non-Muslim sovereign entity, does not have a place in the Islamic expanse of the middle east. And today the problem is that for peace and statehood to happen, Palestinians want to go back to the past and work for peace from there, when in reality, they squandered that opportunity right from the get go in 1948! So presently, peace and statehood has to be negotiated based on current realities, which they are unwilling to consider.

This uncompromising position, combined with terrorism and an unwillingness to socially or politically progress, along with Israel's own racism, oppression and security measures, is the reason for Palestinian suffering.

It takes two to tango. The day Palestinians get rid of terrorism, accept Israel as a legitimate state, accept that Israel will hold on to the larger land mass, and be the one that will be economically, militarily and politically dominant, is the day Palestinians can hope to have peace and a separate state (that will be much smaller than the one in 1948 and 1967), from where they can start over.

The problem is that Jews felt they have been oppressed long before Palestinians were even in Philistine...the Romans , Turks, Ottoman and Brits....Transjordan (Jordan) was part of David's rule...1000 bc....there have always been Jews there....the 2 state was never going to happen as far as Arabs are concern....Black September also shows you, even without the Jews, there will still be conflict in the middle east...

 

[Klatuu]

This is a very myopic, one-sided view where, Israel is evil, and the Palestinians are good. I am not sure if you are Palestinian by origin, that you have such a one-sided view of history.

If you read Israel's history, even before 1948, the Jewish and Arab Muslim factions were forming paramilitary units to attack each other. Subsequently, there have been numerous attacks, that Israel has repelled.

For example, after the 1948 war, it was Jordan that held the West Bank, and Egypt, Gaza. Did the Palestinians not have an opportunity to form a state then (between 1949 and 1967) ? After 1967, when Israel took over the West Bank as a result of the 6 day war, and settlers started establishing themselves (they shouldn't have), apartheid started partly as a way to fend off suicide bombings. The wall, checkpoints etc are examples of safety measures that yes, amount to apartheid, but were put in place to ensure safety.

Based on what I have heard Palestinians say - that Israel is an illusion that should not exist and that the entire land, river to sea, belongs to them, I am unsure what Palestinians would have done, had the Israelis lost. I am sure they would have ethnically cleansed the Jews based on that alone. Now am not saying Jews in Israel do not argue this - there are several that consider the Palestinians as the occupiers and want them to go away. But the proportion of Israelis who propose to live together in peace seems to be far higher than the proportion of Palestinians who want to live in peace next to the Jews.

The fundamental problem with Palestinian demands (and that of the Arab Muslim world), seems to be that according to them, any non-Muslim sovereign entity, does not have a place in the Islamic expanse of the middle east. And today the problem is that for peace and statehood to happen, Palestinians want to go back to the past and work for peace from there, when in reality, they squandered that opportunity right from the get go in 1948! So presently, peace and statehood has to be negotiated based on current realities, which they are unwilling to consider.

This uncompromising position, combined with terrorism and an unwillingness to socially or politically progress, along with Israel's own racism, oppression and security measures, is the reason for Palestinian suffering.

It takes two to tango. The day Palestinians get rid of terrorism, accept Israel as a legitimate state, accept that Israel will hold on to the larger land mass, and be the one that will be economically, militarily and politically dominant, is the day Palestinians can hope to have peace and a separate state (that will be much smaller than the one in 1948 and 1967), from where they can start over.

That’s just a regurgitation of the discredited and brainwashed narrative that is rife with racism. I wish I could get the time I wasted on that drivel back.

 

[Klatuu]

The problem is that Jews felt they have been oppressed long before Palestinians were even in Philistine...the Romans , Turks, Ottoman and Brits....Transjordan (Jordan) was part of David's rule...1000 bc....there have always been Jews there....the 2 state was never going to happen as far as Arabs are concern....Black September also shows you, even without the Jews, there will still be conflict in the middle east...

I love it when you start off with the usual thumb sucking. But, I’ve got some hard truths for you. Jews were not the first in that region and they won’t be the last. They are just one of many peoples in that area. They’ve got no more claim to it than any of the others.

 

[John_Jacob]

That is the brainwashed response.

No, you just don't like the answer because it hits too close to home.

 

[John_Jacob]

I love it when you start off with the usual thumb sucking. But, I’ve got some hard truths for you. Jews were not the first in that region and they won’t be the last. They are just one of many peoples in that area. They’ve got no more claim to it than any of the others.

Excellent! Now apply that exact same logic to 'reconciliation' with First Nations here in Canada....oops...

 

[John_Jacob]

And trounce them.
He’s like the young guy in that video. He waves his arms, thinks rockets are great. Then cries hard when the consequences come.

Time for the usual...

Why Arabs Lose Wars

Arabic-speaking armies have been generally ineffective in the modern era. Egyptian regular forces did poorly against Yemeni irregulars in the 1960s.1 Syrians could only impose their will in Lebanon during the mid-1970s by the use of overwhelming

www.meforum.org

Lose every time and then whine & cry

 

[Klatuu]

Excellent! Now apply that exact same logic to 'reconciliation' with First Nations here in Canada....oops...

Trouble is, they actually were here first. And only them. Oops.

 

[Klatuu]

You are advocating for and trying to justify mass murder of Israeli civilians. You haven't even expressed remorse for all the dead Israelis because in your mind you think it is completely acceptable.

For you, anything short of ethnically cleansing Jews and ending the existence of Israel, is racist brainwashed drivel.

Yet another example of why Palestinians are suffering the way they are.

Netanyahu couldn’t have written it better.

 

[John_Jacob]

Trouble is, they actually were here first. And only them. Oops.

oh yes, tribes never ever moved around and the people that were there were always there. Hilarious, you're so brainwashed.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Netanyahu says ground war will happen, but wont say when

 

[Klatuu]

oh yes, tribes never ever moved around and the people that were there were always there. Hilarious, you're so brainwashed.

If you can find people alive who were there before the First Nations, let me know.

 

[mandrill]

Based on what I have heard Palestinians say - that Israel is an illusion that should not exist and that the entire land, river to sea, belongs to them, I am unsure what Palestinians would have done, had the Israelis lost. I am sure they would have ethnically cleansed the Jews based on that alone. Now am not saying Jews in Israel do not argue this - there are several that consider the Palestinians as the occupiers and want them to go away. But the proportion of Israelis who propose to live together in peace seems to be far higher than the proportion of Palestinians who want to live in peace next to the Jews.

The fundamental problem with Palestinian demands (and that of the Arab Muslim world), seems to be that according to them, any non-Muslim sovereign entity, does not have a place in the Islamic expanse of the middle east. And today the problem is that for peace and statehood to happen, Palestinians want to go back to the past and work for peace from there, when in reality, they squandered that opportunity right from the get go in 1948! So presently, peace and statehood has to be negotiated based on current realities, which they are unwilling to consider.

This uncompromising position, combined with terrorism and an unwillingness to socially or politically progress, along with Israel's own racism, oppression and security measures, is the reason for Palestinian suffering.

It takes two to tango. The day Palestinians get rid of terrorism, accept Israel as a legitimate state, accept that Israel will hold on to the larger land mass, and be the one that will be economically, militarily and politically dominant, is the day Palestinians can hope to have peace and a separate state (that will be much smaller than the one in 1948 and 1967), from where they can start over.

A devout Muslim cannot accept that a non Muslim can seize and hold land that has previously been a Muslim land and must wage permanent jihad against the unbelievers until they are all dead or converted to Islam or driven out and the land is once again blessed by Allah.

Do ordinary Muslims believe that?.... Probably not 100%. But HAMAS believes it.

 

[HungSowel]

They've got as much a claim to it, as the Palestinians do. But the Palestinians are the ones who tried to engage in terrorism first - Arab paramilitary groups prior to 1948, the 1948 war, the 1967 war, the Yom Kippur War, formation of the Hamas, suicide bombings - you name it, and are now uncompromising in their position. Unfortunately, they will continue to suffer with that attitude.

Under British rule, the Jews bombed the king david hotel, terrorism against the Brits. The Brits passed the buck to the UN and now Palestine is the cluster fuck it is.

 

[Darts]

The NDP Sharia Law proposal died thanks to protests by Muslim Iranian (Persian) women.

 

[mandrill]

Trouble is, they actually were here first. And only them. Oops.

But it doesn't matter, does it?

They were turfed over 50 years ago by a nation with a first rate army and nukes. The Israelis ain't going anywhere. No matter how many suicide bombers offer their souls to Allah, the Jews are there to stay.

So the Palestinians either adapt to that reality. Or leave.

 

[Darts]

Is this the makeup of the UN Security Council?

"You're talking about the alleged Human Rights Council that includes paragons like
Algeria, Angola, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Cameroon, China, both Congos, Cuba, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Libya, Nicaragua, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Thailand, Uganda, UAE, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, and Vietnam.

At least a third of the council is made up of massively authoritarian regimes who behave in ways you would normally condemn but since the council ridiculously fixates on Israel like you do, you fully support them."

 

[mandrill]

Under British rule, the Jews bombed the king david hotel, terrorism against the Brits. The Brits passed the buck to the UN and now Palestine is the cluster fuck it is.

Yuh. My uncle and my best friend's dad served there in the British army and it was miserable as fuck!

 

[Not getting younger]

Under British rule, the Jews bombed the king david hotel, terrorism against the Brits. The Brits passed the buck to the UN and now Palestine is the cluster fuck it is.

Interesting take given Palestine was never a thing prior to then.