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Islamic schools vs. Sex Education - getting our priorities straight

red

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No complaints about jewish day schools?

Or chinese schools or etc?

They have to teach the ontario curriculum and are inspected like every other school in the province. Dont go all harper on us
Why? What have the Jews and Chinese done to Canada?
Who said they did anything? How many groups are you bigoted against?
Nope, no complaints against Jewish or Chinese schools. Why do you ask?
Did you play spirograph when u were a kid? You spend your life running around in bigoted circles
 

SkyRider

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Originally Posted by red

No complaints about jewish day schools?

Or chinese schools or etc?
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​Why are you asking about Jewish and Chinese schools?
 

basketcase

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Nothing like putting those prime educational hours to good use and concentrating on the fundamentals......

1. Islam

2. Somalian

3. Arabic

Yes, the Muslim version of the three R's. Glad to see that they are teaching young CANADIAN children what is truly important and useful in life.
If that's where parents want to send their kids to school then that's their choice and as long as the teachings don't promote hatred or violate the charter rights of the children then I have no problem with it. I do feel sorry for the kids if they aren't learning the other essentials though. And considering I spent a few years at Sunday School learning from the King James, I can't really criticize.

Seems to me a stupid article hopping on the complaints about the sex-ed curriculum.
 

oldjones

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These are day schools, not weekend language classes.

I'd rather these kids be taught an outdated sex ed curriculum in public schools than have no exposure at all.
And just how do you propose we design and implement that 'outdated' public school curriculum that will appeal to all?
 

SkyRider

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Just saw on CP 24 that private school enrollment in Toronto is up and public school enrollment is down 5%.
 

Yoga Face

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School vouchers for those who wish to opt out

It is their monies, after all

The school board can compete for those vouchers

It is called freedom
 

SkyRider

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School vouchers for those who wish to opt out
Do we even know what is the per student cost in the public system? I assume it must be high considering the salaries and benefits paid to teachers and costing $143 to install a pencil sharpener.
 

SuperCharge

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I think it's just over 13,000 annually per student in public schools in Ontario
Do we even know what is the per student cost in the public system? I assume it must be high considering the salaries and benefits paid to teachers and costing $143 to install a pencil sharpener.
 

oldjones

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Do we even know what is the per student cost in the public system? I assume it must be high considering the salaries and benefits paid to teachers and costing $143 to install a pencil sharpener.
That easy-to-despise pencil sharpener number should inspire you to at least the effort of coming up with the annual budget of the Education Ministry and dividing it by the number of enrolled students. Not very useful, like whining about three or four hours to come up with a pencil sharpener and get it installed. We wouldn't want cartons of purchase pencil sharpeners on standby in expensive real-estate all over the City would we? Never mind teams of fixit guys. But it would be a number, and we would inarguably be paying it.

But be comforted, whether it's sharp pencils, or universal education we can always get worse for less. Although getting back to what we really wanted then comes with extra cost.

Or put up your hand and ask Ms. Google: I quote, I'm sure you can find the minister's release.

"Ontario is increasing funding for students for the 10th year in a row. The 2012-13 Grants for Student Needs (GSN) will rise this coming year to $11,189 per student. That is an increase of about $4,000 per student since 2003"
 

SkyRider

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I think it's just over 13,000 annually per student in public schools in Ontario
"Ontario is increasing funding for students for the 10th year in a row. The 2012-13 Grants for Student Needs (GSN) will rise this coming year to $11,189 per student. That is an increase of about $4,000 per student since 2003"
Thanks, so the cost per student is in the $11,000 to $13,000 range. Therefore, the "school voucher" mentioned by Yoga Face should probably have a value in that range.
 

oldjones

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Thanks, so the cost per student is in the $11,000 to $13,000 range. Therefore, the "school voucher" mentioned by Yoga Face should probably have a value in that range.
But consider that if we gave away every penny now spent per student we'd have to come up with other money to pay for the evaluations and inspections that would be needed to make sure the voucher schools maintained standards, as well as the dollars it would cost to come up with those standards. By fragmenting the system, you lose the easy arithmetic of total cost÷total students. Separating out the local delivery costs from the shared overall costs of universal public education would be no easy task. And the result would be well south of that range, I should think.

I can well imagine the Vouchered Independent Schools Alliance having seriously acrimonious annual negotiations with a Ministry frightened of taxpayers and trying to hold the line on costs. The US school systems that have gone to vouchers have results and costs all over the map. The one thing that seems true is that no one's made it work reliably enough to sweep the field the way tax-supported and board-run schools did.
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PS: Thanks for not being baited by my cheesy pencil-sharpener snark
 

oldjones

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"shows that private school enrolment across Canada is up by almost 17 per cent, while public school enrolment has decreased eight per cent."

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/pr...itute+study/11417100/story.html#ixzz3noxDmXqR
Hardly surprising, the average standard of living — and access to education is part of that — has most definitely improved. That woould mean more folks can choose cars over streetcars and private over public schools. Tax supported anything will always be a minimal standard rather than a preferred one. Except in the sense that people 'prefer' to think tax-paid stuff is 'free'. Which is why taxpayers vote for subways — and schools, roads, hospitals and healthcare — they refuse to pay even adequate taxes to provide.
 

Yoga Face

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Thanks, so the cost per student is in the $11,000 to $13,000 range. Therefore, the "school voucher" mentioned by Yoga Face should probably have a value in that range.
Consider the cost of capitalization (building the schools), loss of tax revenue from the land they sit on, the many thousands of workers that support public schools and ..... the real cost would be a much higher number, I presume
 

Yoga Face

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But consider that if we gave away every penny now spent per student we'd have to come up with other money to pay for the evaluations and inspections that would be needed to make sure the voucher schools maintained standards, as well as the dollars it would cost to come up with those standards. By fragmenting the system, you lose the easy arithmetic of total cost÷total students. Separating out the local delivery costs from the shared overall costs of universal public education would be no easy task. And the result would be well south of that range, I should think.

I can well imagine the Vouchered Independent Schools Alliance having seriously acrimonious annual negotiations with a Ministry frightened of taxpayers and trying to hold the line on costs. The US school systems that have gone to vouchers have results and costs all over the map. The one thing that seems true is that no one's made it work reliably enough to sweep the field the way tax-supported and board-run schools did.
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PS: Thanks for not being baited by my cheesy pencil-sharpener snark
At least give partial vouchers to those who wish to opt out

Many families could throw in a couple thousand to top up private costs but cannot afford to pay the full costs, after all they would be paying twice for an education, once through taxes then again through tuition
 

basketcase

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At least give partial vouchers to those who wish to opt out

Many families could throw in a couple thousand to top up private costs but cannot afford to pay the full costs, after all they would be paying twice for an education, once through taxes then again through tuition
Educational aspects aside, I don't like the divisive nature of private schools that cater to specific clientele and I don't like the idea of public education funds going to support schools that are private companies (for profit?).
 
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