Is this racist??

[explorerzip]

Your quote is like literally right above mine lol
Do you really need me to hold your hand

"I lol'd when some people didn't have a problem with the 'traditional' dresses worn by the girls. Might want to do a bit of research to know what a real traditional kimono actually looks like. Hint: lots of makeup, high heels, short skirts and low cut top isn't traditional.

The girls and the guy actually wore Hollywood's stereotype of what Asians wear. I personally don't find what either of them did racist. I also think that if you showed that image to people that actually wear those type of clothes e.g. peasants, they likely would not care. The reason is simple: they have better things to worry about than what goes on in some random night club in Toronto."

Interesting how you think I wrote "Chinese" kimonos. Do you really need me to teach you what the word 'Chinese' looks like?

I just found it funny that certain people had no problems with the girls wearing "traditional" clothing even though it was obviously club wear.

Since Google seems to be tough, here is what a traditional kimono looks like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimono

Here is what the girls were essentially wearing: http://www.nevebianca.com/hot-pink-kimono-mini-dress

 

[NiceToMeetYou]

For sure, I'm boycotting this restaurant "Wildflower" and won't step my foot in this hotel "Thompson Hotel".

For the white folks who believe that this is not racism, why don't all the white folks dress up like Adolf Hitler with his signature mustash when attending the German Octoberfest as the white folks want to make an Octoberfest as a comparison and analogy.

 

[Samranchoi]

For sure, I'm boycotting this restaurant "Wildflower" and won't step my foot in this hotel "Thompson Hotel".

For the white folks who believe that this is not racism, why don't all the white folks dress up like Adolf Hitler with his signature mustash when attending the German Octoberfest as the white folks want to make an Octoberfest as a comparison and analogy.

I showed the photo to an Asian woman at work and gave her the background of why and she definitely said that the photo with the guy is racism. It doesn't matter what the friggin idiot restaurants intention was. When was the last time you saw an ad promoting something similar done by an Asian business having the same thing. I would hazard to say never. At least now I know who are the ignorant and stupid people are on this board (well, I had an idea before). I can only imagine if the guy was caught between a rival gang war between two Asian gangs, immediate truce and the guy would have the crap knocked out of him. What's next, organize a picnic during the summer and in the ad show a picture of a black person with a watermelon. But because that is a show of racism against black people, I would guess the backlash would be huge. Ok, carry on with the asinine and stupid comments. TERB is such a lovely place.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So this is racist as well then, against Groundskeeper Willie???!!

 

[sempel]

They wear those uniforms because that's it matches the restaurants theme. I've actually heard that some servers at Mandarin restaurants are Canadian born, yet speak with a broken English accent for some reason. I find that funny since Mandarin is the least Chinese restaurant you can go to.

There was an Asian theme to this party. Either way, wearing something that is traditional (or not) that is generally what a member of that race would wear either back home or even here is not racist. There are plenty of A-List designers who take traditional dress from a variety of cultures and either use it or modify it as part of their collections.

So this is racist as well then, against Groundskeeper Willie???!!]

A TV show or a comedian satirizes other people and cultures. Their intent is to satirize and many ethnic comedians satirize their own backgrounds as well as others and it's not considered a form of racism. The key is though that everyone knows it's a joke. This all said, if someone who is Scottish is offended, they'll complain and the Simpsons may decide to alter their jokes if a number of people complain.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

A TV show or a comedian satirizes other people and cultures. Their intent is to satirize and many ethnic comedians satirize their own backgrounds as well as others and it's not considered a form of racism. The key is though that everyone knows it's a joke

Right, so in your opinion Apu of the Simpsons is not racist then either??

 

[sempel]

Right, so in your opinion Apu of the Simpsons is not racist then either??

No. He's a stereotype, just as Mr. Burns is a stereotype of an evil boss, Chief Wiggum is a stereotype of a useless cop, and Ned Flanders is a stereotype of a overly religious neighbor.

A team of writers came up with the characters and the dialogue. I'm sure if someone felt it was offensive to the point of being racist, someone would have said something.

The difference between Simpsons and our ignorant waiter is he is not trying to satirize an Asian person. He's not acting a part or in some type of comedy club/routine. As I've pointed out along with others, what he's done is the equivalent of putting on blackface. If he didn't have the eyebrows or the squinting, he would have been fine.

 

[managee]

the A ok symbol is not racist and i would not let anybody tell me what i can or cannot wear in public

She didn’t say I couldn’t wear it in public, she said she was offended by me wearing it.

I don’t tend to engage IRL with people influenced by an alt-right agenda. Whether she is unaware of the Cernovich conceit and became outraged the moment she read or saw the first Breuer story, it was neither the time or place to change her mind.

I brought her best friend home with me that night, so I feel confident I made the right call for me personally, by thinking with both heads.

Ultimately, I choose what I get to wear, and for now, it’s a shirt that gets no less use as an exclusive part of my shop gear wardrobe AND I don’t have to defend myself from ill-informed SJW’s when I’m trying to get laid. No harm, no foul.

I wear this shirt a lot as well when I’m abroad:

It’s universally funny in my experience so-far, still a great conversation starter, and a sly way to flash your Canada-pass without wearing a giant Maple Leaf. Red isn’t my colour. And, if someone is personally offended by it, I probably wouldn’t be interested in sleeping with them or whoever they travel with anyways.

It’s not a shirt I’d wear at home. Not because I “let people tell me what I can or cannot wear” but because I’m not a troll. It’s still too provocative these days, and I have lots of other shirts that aren’t the ‘bad’ kind of conversation starter for this country.

 

[sempel]

She didn’t say I couldn’t wear it in public, she said she was offended by me wearing it.

I don’t tend to engage IRL with people influenced by an alt-right agenda. Whether she is unaware of the Cernovich conceit and became outraged the moment she read or saw the first Breuer story, it was neither the time or place to change her mind.

I brought her best friend home with me that night, so I feel confident I made the right call for me personally, by thinking with both heads.

Ultimately, I choose what I get to wear, and for now, it’s a shirt that gets no less use as an exclusive part of my shop gear wardrobe AND I don’t have to defend myself from ill-informed SJW’s when I’m trying to get laid. No harm, no foul.

I wear this shirt a lot as well when I’m abroad:

It’s universally funny in my experience so-far, still a great conversation starter, and a sly way to flash your Canada-pass without wearing a Maple Leaf. And, if someone is personally offended by it, I probably wouldn’t be interested in sleeping with them or whoever they travel with anyways.

It’s not a shirt I’d wear at home. Not because I “let people tell me what I can or cannot wear” but because I’m not a troll. It’s still too provocative these days, and I have lots of other shirts that aren’t the ‘bad’ kind of conversation starter for this country.

If a symbol has a number of interpretations, I don't think you are guilty of anything. Sorry but her being offended is her problem. It's different if you are wearing a symbol (e.g. swastika) where there is little doubt as to it being offensive.

 

[FAST]

If a symbol has a number of interpretations, I don't think you are guilty of anything. Sorry but her being offended is her problem. It's different if you are wearing a symbol (e.g. swastika) where there is little doubt as to it being offensive.

Agreed,... its all about intent.

One cannot be called a racist,... if they have no intent to be racist.

Call a Scot,... Scotch,... and you will get a frown,... but you will not be accused of being a racist.

I'm a also a diver,... and I will not be checking with any of my dive buddies on the boat,... if they are offended when using an internationally recognised hand gesture.

At one time, the Aussies would be insulted by the thumbs up gesture,... they got over it,... simply because they learned there was no offence intended.

 

[managee]

So this is racist as well then, against Groundskeeper Willie???!!

Alas laddie, Scottish isn’t a race despite my Grandma’s insistence.

With certainty it’s a Scottish stereotype, and Willie Himself remains 1-dimensional after 28 seasons, the jokes are more on the negative stereotype than the Springfield citizens’ reaction to the stereotype, so I’d say it’s probably a bit culturally insensitive. That said, I defintiely don’t feel I could speak on behalf of this community. I’m barely a member of it, and can’t imagine a well-respected member.

Does this mean showrunners should send Willie packing (again)? I don’t know. The Scot’s in my life are just glad he isn’t Irish.

Side-note, the writers at the time (1996) did something really interesting in the “Much Apu About Nothing” episode where Springfield votes to deport its illegal immigrants
townspeople. As a stand-alone episode, the showrunners had already started to address the growing criticism over characters like Apu, characters who are stand-ins for a stereotype (see Fat Tony for more details) two years before, in “Homer and Apu” (the episode with “Who Needs the Kwik-e-Mart” song).

After Apu earns his citizenship and throws out his Jury Duty notification, his first act as an American citizen, the scene flashes to Springfield's only illegal alien that ended up actually being deported under Prop 204.

The episode is somehow more relevant today than it was when it came out 20-years ago.

 

[managee]

If a symbol has a number of interpretations, I don't think you are guilty of anything. Sorry but her being offended is her problem. It's different if you are wearing a symbol (e.g. swastika) where there is little doubt as to it being offensive.

Respectfully, you and FAST are wrong.

Having innocent intent means very little when it’s weighed against the impact of your actions or words. This is kind of the basis for how how the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal, and all similar bodies handles this stuff. It’s probably no different in your own life.

If nobody were in any way offended with the OP imagery, then “impact” would be nominal, and we wouldn’t be talking about it today. Intent wouldn’t matter in this case, as it had no impact.

If ultimately “intent” gives a person a pass when they’ve done something offensive, why did anyone even here care about the ‘shithole’ comment? What about the ‘peoplekind’ comment and more recently the full-Sari PM photo-ops?

We care because intent matters insignificantly little when weighed against impact.

Agreed,... its all about intent.

One cannot be called a racist,... if they have no intent to be racist.

Call a Scot,... Scotch,... and you will get a frown,... but you will not be accused of being a racist.

I'm a also a diver,... and I will not be checking with any of my dive buddies on the boat,... if they are offended when using an internationally recognised hand gesture.

At one time, the Aussies would be insulted by the thumbs up gesture,... they got over it,... simply because they learned there was no offence intended.

As I alluded to in another post, the OK white power thing is fake news. In no way has this impacted hand signals I use or teach or expect others to use on a dive. It has only been a little while since it happened, but I’d say I’m wearing the shirt more often than ever before around shops and boats.

Obviously, the thumbs up signal is one that I thought was particularly funny to teach or use when diving in Aus or with a class full of Aussies. The worldwide dive community is pretty resistant to change when it comes to common-practice.

I strongly recommend you adhere to local customs when abroad.

Personally, I wouldn’t use that gesture on the streets in the UK, and if someone flashes that to me in anger when I’m elsewhere, I take its meaning. Go to Hong Kong or Korea and try to go an hour without seeing someone using that signal in a photo, and I’ll buy your next drink.

 

[PornAddict]

Picture of the man with black marker eyebrow is racist ! Reason ... I grew up in Quebec and causcian kid would say and do horrible things like making fun of me by squinting their eyes and says to me ... " Chink Chink you stink" .
It like if you decide to hold a party and dress up as a KKK member or a Nazi .
Can't say about the picture of the two hottie Asian chick .. Need a female Asian chick opinion to comment on that picture.
I can only comment about the male picture, because I am a Canadian born Chinese male who had experience racism.

Now you have to ask this question ? What is the main intent of the party ... WAs it to make fun of Asian ? If so then it really a racist party!! But if the party was just a oriental theme then it can be forgiven due to lack of insensitivity .
So I will look at the big picture... It just some college kids.. just want to have fun and drive beer and get drunk and get laid! No harm done to me. Which I can only speak for myself as an Chinese male. Can't speak on behalf of what other Asian people feeling!

Don't think it was a racist party or a gathering of a KKK clan to denounce the Asian race would be a different matter!



By the way I am Chinese and I like Trump! And hate the social justice wariror / leftie!
GO TRUMP GO!!
GO FORD GO!
PLUS BUILT THAT wall !

Update:
PS. It is insensitive but only some people feeling may get hurt but no one got beaten up or die or no one really discriminated. So no big deal!

Let built that fucking wall TRump!!!!

 

[sempel]

Respectfully, you and FAST are wrong..

Based on what? I'm in agreement with you about intent i.e. just because there is no intent to be racist doesn't make it any less racist. And my last comment was about the ok symbol having different meanings so one person being offended by the negative connotation is on them, not on the person wearing the symbol. So where am I wrong?

 

[managee]

hahahhhahahahhahahah hahahaha hh ahhahahaha.

you do realize that people trolled SJWs into thinking the ok sign was a white supremacist symbol right, so that they would stop using it, and the rest of us could laugh at the people who took it seriously? this is the funniest thing i have ever read lol.

See post 131.

 

[sempel]

Picture of the man with black marker eyebrow is racist ! Reason ... I grew up in Quebec and causcian kid would say and do horrible things like making fun of me by squinting their eyes and says to me ... " Chink Chink you stink" .
It like if you decide to hold a party and dress up as a KKK member or a Nazi .
Can't say about the picture of the two hottie Asian chick .. Need a female Asian chick opinion to comment on that picture.
I can only comment about the male picture, because I am a Canadian born Chinese male who had experience racism.

Now you have to ask this question ? What is the main intent of the party ... WAs it to make fun of Asian ? If so then it really a racist party!! But if the party was just a oriental theme then it can be forgiven due to lack of insensitivity .
So I will look at the big picture... It just some college kids.. just want to have fun and drive beer and get drunk and get laid! No harm done to me. Which I can only speak for myself as an Chinese male. Can't speak on behalf of what other Asian people feeling!

Don't think it was a racist party or a gathering of a KKK clan to denounce the Asian race!

GO TRUMP GO!!
GO FORD GO!
PLUS BUILT THAT wall !

Thanks. An Asian person confirms it was racist, just as most of us expected cause it is.

But yes, you've alluded to the fact that the overall party was not racist nor was there intent to be racist. It was a celebration/tribute. This comes down to the one guy and if he works for the establishment, unfortunately he represents the establishment and their name gets muddied. Every business is accountable for the acts of their employees (within reason - can't help it if someone just goes nuts).

Most theme parties like this usually come with some type of dress code suggestions. There's never a direct line that says "Don't wear anything tasteless that could be misinterpreted as racist" because it's one of those unspoken and obvious things. But perhaps there should have been?

 

[sempel]

sure, just ignore the other asian person who said it wasn't racist, simply because you don't agree with her.

I'm not ignoring you. But you are just one opinion and don't speak for all Asians, all females, or all SP's. Just like my opinion is one opinion and I don't speak for all men, all clients, etc. If a small minority of Asians were offended, you could chalk it up to a few sticklers or come up with some way to excuse it. But I highly doubt you are part of a majority group of Asians who wouldn't be offended - you are most likely in the minority - that's my bet.

Every time I grow a beard I get comments/jokes about me being stopped at the border, avoiding planes, me being on the deck of most wanted people, etc. It's all jokes and it rolls off. However, if I was stopped at the border and a border guard treated me like shit because of my look, that's different and I certainly would not be laughing.

 

[sempel]

what other asian person said they were offended? your post made it seem like that was the first asian person who confirmed they were offended.

Fair enough. He was the first person (besides you) who said "I'm Asian" and here's my opinion. But I haven't read every comment in detail, especially a couple of long ones that got a bit confusing as I kept reading.

Honestly, we should run a poll no way to restrict it to allow for only Asians to respond.

 

[managee]

Based on what? I'm in agreement with you about intent i.e. just because there is no intent to be racist doesn't make it any less racist. And my last comment was about the ok symbol having different meanings so one person being offended by the negative connotation is on them, not on the person wearing the symbol. So where am I wrong?

If you have no ill will in your intent, but your actions have some kind of negative impact, you don’t ordinarily get a pass because of it.

In the case of the OP, it was offensive to some members of the community the flyer’s subject stereotyped.

In my case, my shirt was offensive to an ill-informed member of the public, and I feel it’s entirely possibly others that never said anything to me.

Ironically, I have a similar but different shirt with ��, difference being it’s a left hand, not a right hand on the shirt. I’ll probably pack that one instead next time I’m in Canada.

If a symbol has a number of interpretations, I don't think you are guilty of anything. Sorry but her being offended is her problem. It's different if you are wearing a symbol (e.g. swastika) where there is little doubt as to it being offensive.

Cool.

For you, I can see why you’d need to ensure some sexy poorly informed SJW needs to be put in her place in front of her even sexier friend who didn’t give a shit. For myself, I read the situation correctly and acted appropriately, as ultimately telling someone she is wrong paled in value to me when compared to the opportunity of sleeping with this particular Californian babe.

Different strokes my friend.

Some of us don’t need to validate our intellectual or moralistic superiority at the expense of others in all situations. I informed the friend before we parted ways, so maybe SJW got woke eventually.

Now, that shirt doesn’t pose the risk of harm it did that night, and for all I know on others, at offending a person I’m hoping to spend some sexy times with, or one of her friends. It’s not a conversation starter, except with other divers, and I’ve got plenty of other shirts to replace it that put out a diving flag and pose no risk of offending.

 

[LT56]

She didn’t say I couldn’t wear it in public, she said she was offended by me wearing it.

I don’t tend to engage IRL with people influenced by an alt-right agenda. Whether she is unaware of the Cernovich conceit and became outraged the moment she read or saw the first Breuer story, it was neither the time or place to change her mind.

I brought her best friend home with me that night, so I feel confident I made the right call for me personally, by thinking with both heads.

Ultimately, I choose what I get to wear, and for now, it’s a shirt that gets no less use as an exclusive part of my shop gear wardrobe AND I don’t have to defend myself from ill-informed SJW’s when I’m trying to get laid. No harm, no foul.

I wear this shirt a lot as well when I’m abroad:

It’s universally funny in my experience so-far, still a great conversation starter, and a sly way to flash your Canada-pass without wearing a giant Maple Leaf. Red isn’t my colour. And, if someone is personally offended by it, I probably wouldn’t be interested in sleeping with them or whoever they travel with anyways.

It’s not a shirt I’d wear at home. Not because I “let people tell me what I can or cannot wear” but because I’m not a troll. It’s still too provocative these days, and I have lots of other shirts that aren’t the ‘bad’ kind of conversation starter for this country.

I have my own Rob Ford t-shirt that I still wear sometimes.