Is parental consent not required if a child chooses to get vaccinated in Ontario school?

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Last I checked, the legal system doesn't interview youth before they commit a crime to counsel them on the consequences the way doctors do with medical choices.
the police and prosecutor interview them in far more detail then a doctor does

point being if your mature enough to make medical decisions then your mature enough to know right from wrong
 

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I’m not sure how various school boards are proceeding, but there should certainly be consent from parents.
I don’t remember hearing about a board mandating vaccinations for most students. I feel like that would have been big news.

I remember there was something in the winter about high special needs kids that can’t wear masks needed to be vaccinated to attend before the Spring lockdown, but I think that was it.

Schools are vaccination sites like they were testing sites. The schools had no say in how often they got to be a testing site, I imagine it’s the same for vaccinations, but I haven’t seen or read anything.

Beyond that, kids aren’t lined up for mandatory anything when it comes to COVID testing or vaccines because neither is mandatory.

Could an unsupervised 7 year old wander into a vaccine pop up in their school and get a shot even if they promised they wanted one? I seriously doubt it.

But the space isn’t controlled by the board once Public Health sets up.
 
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I don’t remember hearing about a board mandating vaccinations for most students. I feel like that would have been big news.

I remember there was something in the winter about high special needs kids that can’t wear masks needed to be vaccinated to attend before the Spring lockdown, but I think that was it.

Schools are vaccination sites like they were testing sites. The schools had no say in how often they got to be a testing site, I imagine it’s the same for vaccinations, but I haven’t seen or read anything.

Beyond that, kids aren’t lined up for mandatory anything when it comes to COVID testing or vaccines because neither is mandatory.

Could an unsupervised 7 year old wander into a vaccine pop up in their school and get a shot even if they promised they wanted one? I seriously doubt it.

But the space isn’t controlled by the board once Public Health sets up.
Yea that makes sense.

I let my head wander into a scenario that is not even happening nor did it make any sense. .. i.e. bringing the vaccine down to school during school hours and letting all the kids line up that wanted to.

Of course it’s the same procedure as it was for those that were over age 12. Using your example of a 7!year old
1) He would need to register online himself for an appointment which is not likely
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2) Show up at the site and fill out all the various forms correctly himself. Unlikely

None are very likely. Is it possible .. I suppose we could have had a couple of cases like that in Ontario but it is so close to Nil (or nil) that It is the anti-vaxx going absurd again.

Have there been kids under 12 that showed up at the centre by themselves. That may happened after the parents registered them online. Which if anything is a parenting issue but not a consent issue.
 
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Yea that makes sense.

I let my head wander into a scenario that is not even happening nor did it make any sense. .. i.e. bringing the vaccine down to school during school hours and letting all the kids line up that wanted to.

Of course it’s the same procedure as it was for those that were over age 12. Using your example of a 7!year old
1) He would need to register online himself for an appointment which is not likely
Or
2) Show up at the site and fill out all the various forms correctly himself. Unlikely

None are very likely. Is it possible .. I suppose we could have had a couple of cases like that in Ontario but it is so close to Nil (or nil) that It is the anti-vaxx going absurd again.

Have there been kids under 12 that showed up at the centre by themselves. That may happened after the parents registered them online. Which if anything is a parenting issue but not a consent issue.
Do you need to sign up for the pop up clinics in schools?

I remember those were walk-in as they’re trying to fill gaps left by distances between neighbourhood and mass testing/vaccination sites and attract community members with phone and/or internet challenges.

I say this based only on knowing that most of my friends/family/co-workers that managed to book an appointment their 5-11 kiddos this week are going to mass vaccination sites, not their kid’s schools.
 

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Went through this with a neighbour friend and my brother/nephew.

Both kids got their shot without consent needed. One is 14 and one is 15.

From my understanding, neither were even asked if they had parents permission. It was not even brought up
 
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I don’t remember hearing about a board mandating vaccinations for most students. I feel like that would have been big news.
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Hell, schools won't even conduct covid tests on kids without parental consent (or at least when my nephew's school in Toronto had an outbreak, they sent permission forms).
 
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Do you need to sign up for the pop up clinics in schools?
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I'm pretty sure they have been run by public health not the school, the same way that elections are often held in school gyms. Not like a 7 year old could walk in and vote (though the GOP may start freaking out about democrat voter fraud if they read this).

As part of their outreach, they may have encouraged walk-ins so it's possible a 7 year old walked out of class and walked into the clinic but I would say there is a close to zero chance they could have gotten it done without having to be assessed by the head of the clinic.
 
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Hell, schools won't even conduct covid tests on kids without parental consent (or at least when my nephew's school in Toronto had an outbreak, they sent permission forms).
Last year I think public school kids had mandatory screening, but I don’t believe that even included a temperature check or anything besides asking if they had symptoms.
 

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I was hanging out with a friend two nights ago whose 14 year old son has a best friend with an anti-restriction / anti-mask / anti-vaxxer nut job mom whose extended family (grandparents / cousins / uncles) have mostly disowned her in the last couple years, no dad is in the picture, mom hasn’t worked since she red pilled herself… Super sad, but a key member of TrueNorth and TheRebel’s audience.

Anyways, this kid is fully vaccinated and mom doesn’t know. 😂 Kid got his first at a pop-up clinic while mom was protesting a hospital earlier in the fall.

VERY glad we have protections like this because of people like his idiot or certifiably insane mother.
Gotta say, I found it disturbing that you think it's funny. 14 and making decisions like that?
May as well let them vote if they're deemed to be so intelligent at that age.
 
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Gotta say, I found it disturbing that you think it's funny. 14 and making decisions like that?
May as well let them vote if they're deemed to be so intelligent at that age.
You wouldn’t get it. It’s an inside joke.

Different strokes, I guess. I found it disturbing that 🤡 mom was protesting whatever-the-fuck at a hospital… Which was disturbing in the same way that 🤡 mom’s decision to not vaccinate her kids during a pandemic was.

I’m at-least old enough to have friends with 14 year olds.

My girl in high school was on the pill from about mid-way through our grade 9 year. That was in the 90’s.

Her parents definitely were unaware and would defintiely not have approved. My parents would have lost their minds if they ever found my domes, which luckily I didn’t need their permission to buy. If parent approval was necessary and ultimately not given for either of those health precautions, their absence wouldn’t have stopped us from making poor choices.

Being able when mature enough to act on medical advice of a trained and competent health professional without parent interference seems prudent, given that some parents are dumb / crazy AF.

If you want 14 year olds to get the vote, go for it my dude. Make the world a better place. Seems less of a waste of time than any of the anti-vaccine BS.
 
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You wouldn’t get it. It’s an inside joke.
ooO one of those.
If you want 14 year olds to get the vote, go for it my dude. Make the world a better place. Seems less of a waste of time than any of the anti-vaccine BS.

That's the point, I don't think they're mentally capable of doing their own research and understanding the various issues that comes with voting. The only thing the majority of them would be good at would be gaming and tiktok videos.
 

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ooO one of those.



That's the point, I don't think they're mentally capable of doing their own research and understanding the various issues that comes with voting. The only thing the majority of them would be good at would be gaming and tiktok videos.
There isn’t a test determining if anyone is capable of voting.
It isn’t as dangerous as driving a car or even drinking a Pepsi.
 

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Gotta say, I found it disturbing that you think it's funny. 14 and making decisions like that?
May as well let them vote if they're deemed to be so intelligent at that age.
I'd be down with lowering the voting age to 14.
I doubt you could convince people to go lower than 16, though.
 

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I'd be down with lowering the voting age to 14.
I doubt you could convince people to go lower than 16, though.
I’d be fine with 12, along with an upper cutoff of 92 since the elderly shouldn’t make decisions they won’t be around to live with.
 

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I’d be fine with 12, along with an upper cutoff of 92 since the elderly shouldn’t make decisions they won’t be around to live with.
Bold.

Why 92? Oddly specific number.
 

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Every 14 year old is different, which is why the regs allow for discretion.

At 14 I was calling 911 and doing first aid on a couple that had a highway accident until the ambulance arrived. My parents were not up to that.
 
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That's the point, I don't think they're mentally capable of doing their own research and understanding the various issues that comes with voting. The only thing the majority of them would be good at would be gaming and tiktok videos.
🤷‍♂️. “I do my own research” gang don’t seem to be mentally capable of understanding this stuff either.

Let’s turn this around. Should teenagers be able to refuse the vaccine?

They current can.

Do you think that should change?
 
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