Is "oriental" truly offensive?

Viggo Rasmussen

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it's not..would you like to show us a video of yourself calling out"negroes" at Dufferin and St.Clair? Markham and Lawrence?
haven't seen a good "beatdown"video in a long while...lol
If I'm calling out a group, that implies a tone - that's the disrespectful aspect of it.
 

Carling

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While Carling makes a good point, and deferring to how people wish to be described is both polite and wise. The problem is that I know other people whose ethic origin is from Asian countries who themselves use the term oriental.

Most people I know tend to use national background: e.g. Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, rather than Asian or Oriental.
agreed...i like my national background to describe me...orientals is used by asians because it's what we think will be best understood by the white man...offensive?..like i said,not really but personally i like asian
 

danmand

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Why is it impolite to use a general term instead of a specific one?
In my view there are two issues here:

1. Racial identifications are best avoided; nobody enjoys being profiled on basis of race.

2. It is a bit impolite to group nationalities together. Most canadians consider themselves different from americans and prefer to be canadians instead of north americans. Danes prefer not to be pooled with swedes, and french prefer not to be confused with germans. It is sort of laziness to call someone asian instead of Japanese, chinese or taiwanese.
 

Viggo Rasmussen

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In my view there are two issues here:

1. Racial identifications are best avoided; nobody enjoys being profiled on basis of race.

2. It is a bit impolite to group nationalities together. Most canadians consider themselves different from americans and prefer to be canadians instead of north americans. Danes prefer not to be pooled with swedes, and french prefer not to be confused with germans. It is sort of laziness to call someone asian instead of Japanese, chinese or taiwanese.
Danes are fine with being called Scandinavians or Europeans, it isn't offensive at all.
 

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Why is it impolite to use a general term instead of a specific one?
I'm not sure that it is if you don't know more if, however, I know that John Ho's family are from China and his ethnicity comes up is it not better to describe him as being either Chinese or Chinese-Canadian than Asian or Oriental?

Needless to say unless it does come up, Mr. Ho or John Ho should be perfectly enough.
 

danmand

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Danes are fine with being called Scandinavians or Europeans, it isn't offensive at all.
I agree it is not a big deal for danes, however, I find it more polite when people bother to use the nationality. How many times have you been called dutch?
 

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In my view there are two issues here:

1. Racial identifications are best avoided; nobody enjoys being profiled on basis of race.

2. It is a bit impolite to group nationalities together. Most canadians consider themselves different from americans and prefer to be canadians instead of north americans. Danes prefer not to be pooled with swedes, and french prefer not to be confused with germans. It is sort of laziness to call someone asian instead of Japanese, chinese or taiwanese.
I agree with you that generally race should play no role when you can get away with it.

But the other day at was at my doctor's office and told him I had given a form to one of his staff. He asked which one and I, not knowing her name, said "the nice oriental lady." I don't think that was inappropriate.

Or if I am at a social event and somebody says who is X. I don't think it would be wrong for me to say "the tall oriental guy in the blue jacket over there."
 

danmand

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I agree with you that generally race should play no role when you can get away with it.

But the other day at was at my doctor's office and told him I had given a form to one of his staff. He asked which one and I, not knowing her name, said "the nice oriental lady." I don't think that was inappropriate.

Or if I am at a social event and somebody says who is X. I don't think it would be wrong for me to say "the tall oriental guy in the blue jacket over there."
"the tall guy in the blue jacket over there" would do just as well.
 

Carling

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I agree with you that generally race should play no role when you can get away with it.

But the other day at was at my doctor's office and told him I had given a form to one of his staff. He asked which one and I, not knowing her name, said "the nice oriental lady." I don't think that was inappropriate.

Or if I am at a social event and somebody says who is X. I don't think it would be wrong for me to say "the tall oriental guy in the blue jacket over there."
use it..not a problem.....but if you knew he was Vietnamese,would you say he was vietnamese? or just oriental?..i guess being non-asian makes it difficult for those who can't differentiate between a Japanese girl, chinese girl or korean...unless you are Don Draper...he knows those "orientals inside and out"...lol
 

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"the tall guy in the blue jacket over there" would do just as well.
Agreed, unless there are two tall guys in blue blazers over there. There is polite and there is P.C. run amok.

Likewise if I was tying to point out John Ho whom I know, to someone who didn't know him and there were two tall men in blue blazers I might say he's the tall Chinese man or the tall Chinese Gentleman in the blue blazer rather than he's the tall Asian man. . . .
 

danmand

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you have clearly never been to a party with lawyers...
All the lawyers on terb are short, bald and portly. Now, at the Royal Canadian Yacht club ..........
 

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I find it fucked up when people constantly use Asian when they mean oriental. Oh dude I really dig oriental chicks. Really, everything from Turkish and Israeli to Japanese and all chicks in between. Fuck dude, you might as well say you are a hetrosexual.

When you use the term Asian when you really and obviously mean oriental, it shows a gross geographic ignorance.


To me it is about as offensive as the use of Little People [I mean really should I pet them on the head and pinch the cheeks of midgets now?]
Or BCE instead of BC. Before Christ is offensive you must use Before Common Era. But wait, what year is used as the divider. Why the traditional year of the birth of our lord and savior. And the difference is what now?


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