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Is Israel a sign of things to come for other nations?

K Douglas

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Israel leads the world in % of population with full vaccination - 60.2% yet for the past few days they have seen a resurgence in cases. Today they hit 1,000 new daily infections a level not seen since March. I don't know what percentage of those new infections comprise fully vaccinated people or whether this is a temporary blip but its worth keeping an eye on.
 

Butler1000

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On the other end we will hit 80% hopefully by the end of the month. So whether that creates real herd immunity will also be a test. If it does and our positivity rate continues to stay below 1 we will be able to open up and show the world they do work.

But the real test comes late fall.
 

jcpro

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Based on what's happening in Israel, we're going into another shutdown by mid October. You can take that to the bank.
 

Valcazar

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OK - We have 1 vote for "shutdown by mid-October". Butler isn't quite committed to "it will stay open" but seems to be leaning that way.
Any other guesses?
 

GameBoy27

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Cases are one thing but doesn't tell the whole story. It's the number of fully vaccinated who end up hospitalized they should be reporting. While they've had 12 new deaths in the last week, there's no mention of their vaccination status.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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But......but....I thought the science was settled???
 
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Brolaf

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Its the 5G radiation in the vaccines made by George Soros, Bill Gates, and Hillary Clinton. They want to brainwash us into far-left robots like antifa and BLM.

I wear a shungite necklace to block the signals from all the walking cell tower sheeple around me
 

K Douglas

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Cases are one thing but doesn't tell the whole story. It's the number of fully vaccinated who end up hospitalized they should be reporting. While they've had 12 new deaths in the last week, there's no mention of their vaccination status.
Those are the most important metrics. I think I read there were 45 hospitalizations and a rolling seven day average of 1.3 deaths.
 

NotADcotor

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On the other end we will hit 80% hopefully by the end of the month. So whether that creates real herd immunity will also be a test. If it does and our positivity rate continues to stay below 1 we will be able to open up and show the world they do work.
Replication rate isn't it? Not Positivity,

Your point is correct. I suspect that at 80% with the delta it might not be enough to drive the R0 to under 1. Eventually as the vaccinated get sick it will go below one and much sooner than a non vaccinated population but still.
1:Considering almost all the hospitalization and deaths will be from those who refuse to do their part, well these are the same cunts who have been going on about a 99+ survival rate so I don't care. Pity for those who did their duty or can't though.
2: Before they consider another lockdown they should force people to get double vaccinated. This idea that the government is willing to bankrupt businesses and shut down activity but they are not willing to force people to take a safe, effective and free vaccine is just beyond nuts and stupid. By August everyone who wanted one should have gotten one so no excuse not to make the rest get them.

The UK seems to be having problems also, again when all the sane people get their shots it's time to stop the bullshit and force the stupid people to get theirs. At the very least its time to set up vaccine passports so the next stage lockdowns are only done on the selfish and the stupid so those who did the right thing can go about their day and the covidiots can stay home. Seems to have worked well in France where people are now zerg rushing to get their shots.
 
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Butler1000

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OK - We have 1 vote for "shutdown by mid-October". Butler isn't quite committed to "it will stay open" but seems to be leaning that way.
Any other guesses?
Awaiting the variants and what they do.
 

Butler1000

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Replication rate isn't it? Not Positivity,

Your point is correct. I suspect that at 80% with the delta it might not be enough to drive the R0 to under 1. Eventually as the vaccinated get sick it will go below one and much sooner than a non vaccinated population but still.
1:Considering almost all the hospitalization and deaths will be from those who refuse to do their part, well these are the same cunts who have been going on about a 99+ survival rate so I don't care. Pity for those who did their duty or can't though.
2: Before they consider another lockdown they should force people to get double vaccinated. This idea that the government is willing to bankrupt businesses and shut down activity but they are not willing to force people to take a safe, effective and free vaccine is just beyond nuts and stupid. By August everyone who wanted one should have gotten one so no excuse not to make the rest get them.

The UK seems to be having problems also, again when all the sane people get their shots it's time to stop the bullshit and force the stupid people to get theirs. At the very least its time to set up vaccine passports so the next stage lockdowns are only done on the selfish and the stupid so those who did the right thing can go about their day and the covidiots can stay home. Seems to have worked well in France where people are now zerg rushing to get their shots.
The Govt needs a bit if a "crisis reason" to institute the passports. Right now with cases dropping its a tough sell. But if cases do rise to say 400-500 plus again and its all unvaxxed then they can sell it as keeping things open.

But it wouldn't surprise me if an app is already to go.
 

Butler1000

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But......but....I thought the science was settled???
The vaccines work. Against the variants its pretty much 100% no hospitalization if Vaxxed. Just a bad cold. So that science is settled yes.

The flu continues to evolve 100 years later. Im betting this is what it did in 1919 but the science didn't exist to identify variants.

Its not just about killing. But dropping transmission rates to stay open.
 

NotADcotor

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The Govt needs a bit if a "crisis reason" to institute the passports. Right now with cases dropping its a tough sell. But if cases do rise to say 400-500 plus again and its all unvaxxed then they can sell it as keeping things open.

But it wouldn't surprise me if an app is already to go.
Read first paragraph and my reaction was, yes, but they should have it set up to go.
Then I read your last line and All Izz Well.
 

lomotil

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OK - We have 1 vote for "shutdown by mid-October". Butler isn't quite committed to "it will stay open" but seems to be leaning that way.
Any other guesses?
A third shot or booster will be pushed by year end with some blow back as new variants continue to emerge. Japan‘s woes and reckoning will skyrocket shortly after the Olympics this summer and the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing may turn out to be a non starter. Some unvaccinated American states will see some major surges in cases. We very well may see some restrictions come back late this fall. The pandemic is far from over.
 
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Robert Mugabe

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Well I for one am dishing out my own special kind of punishment. I am shopping less frequently at Wal-Mart. Except for the bare essentials.
 

squeezer

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The Govt needs a bit if a "crisis reason" to institute the passports. Right now with cases dropping its a tough sell. But if cases do rise to say 400-500 plus again and its all unvaxxed then they can sell it as keeping things open.

But it wouldn't surprise me if an app is already to go.
I agree with this! This is why Quebec is planning the passport for the fall if Covid numbers start to rise. The unvaxxed will fall under the microscope of scorn and resentment in the fall if they are the cause of numbers and mainly hospitalizations going up. It will be enjoyable to hear the cries of some of the antivaxxers and deniers on this board.
 

Frankfooter

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Israel leads the world in % of population with full vaccination - 60.2% yet for the past few days they have seen a resurgence in cases. Today they hit 1,000 new daily infections a level not seen since March. I don't know what percentage of those new infections comprise fully vaccinated people or whether this is a temporary blip but its worth keeping an eye on.
Don't forget that half the people living under Israeli rule aren't counted as the 'population' and are not at all vaccinated.
 

contact

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Don't forget that half the people living under Israeli rule aren't counted as the 'population' and are not at all vaccinated.
stop trying to turn this into anti Israel and anti Jew thread

the offered them shots they were refused

Palestinians cancel Pfizer vaccine agreement with Israel - CNN

as for expiry dates remember in Canada the Liberals dismissed the expiry dates and extended them....

Health Canada extends expiry date of two lots of the AstraZeneca vaccine by an extra month, May 29, 2021 - Canada.ca
 
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