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Is Immigration a Benefit for White Canadians?

richaceg

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Immigration done right is always a benefit. I agree with this.

Lately it hasn’t been done right in Canada and the US.
Well that's the thing, that's the liberal gov't policy...has nothing to do with the diversity in your neighborhood. are you being bothered by your neighbors existing? or are they legit nuisance?
 

richaceg

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I’m fine where I live. I just don’t think we can or should discount and write off what TomFord says so quickly
Not really discounting what he's saying....we just need a better feel about what he's saying...that where we are right now... people are getting too sensitive on both sides of the isle... what's the problem with neighbors if they're not bothering you? I won't deny there are some new immigrants who are not aware how much they bother other people and it's annoying but if it's not directly bothering me....nothing i can do about it but just look away.
 

TomFord1980

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I wish indigenous ppl had the luxury of saying such things mentioned in this post while white ppl came to this land and conquer it. But wait. They disappear in thin air. Or they don’t matter.
You sure about that? You must not have had to do a land acknowledgement at your work meetings or at many sporting events?

Also:
They dont pay taxes.
They have been designated land "reserves" all over Canada.
They get massive subsidies from the government.

If they didnt matter, why is this so?
 

Goodboy7

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Immigration is great if done properly with limited numbers and letting in Quality people. Only highly skilled individuals with good degrees and those hard-to-fill jobs, who help the economy grow, should be allowed. Refugees, religious radicals, and others who depend on the government and taxpayers without contributing should not be permitted. These groups often protest and damage public property, which is detrimental to society and cause greater damage to the overall quality of the life.
 
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HungSowel

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No I would not be upset. I am an open borders guy. No limits on immigration. People should be free to move anywhere they want.
That makes no sense. It is like a cell (biology) without a cell wall, the cell ceases to exist.
 

Toast3d

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Here are the numbers you really don't want to know.

90% of the labour that powers world trade comes from the Global south where they are paid 87-95% lower for work of the same skill.
Why would you want to stay somewhere if you could make 95% more doing the same work in the North?

Nah, here are the numbers you really don't want to know:

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Is immigration good? Sure, when it's controlled and monitored to let qualified people in. All races are welcome under this context.

Is Canada's current immigration policy good? It's unsustainable. We already have a housing crisis and a doctor shortage - this exacerbates the issue.

Politics and race aside this is a math problem. Let's be sensible. What do you think happens to our labour market with this influx of people who are willing to operate at a mucher lower cost? It lowers the quality of life for everyone.
 

Frankfooter

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Nah, here are the numbers you really don't want to know:

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Is immigration good? Sure, when it's controlled and monitored to let qualified people in. All races are welcome under this context.

Is Canada's current immigration policy good? It's unsustainable. We already have a housing crisis and a doctor shortage - this exacerbates the issue.

Politics and race aside this is a math problem. Let's be sensible. What do you think happens to our labour market with this influx of people who are willing to operate at a mucher lower cost? It lowers the quality of life for everyone.
Most of those are temporary foreign workers hired by places like Timmies and international students, brought in to pay higher tuition and cover for cuts to colleges and universities.

If those numbers bug you, those should be your targets.
 

Toast3d

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Most of those are temporary foreign workers hired by places like Timmies and international students, brought in to pay higher tuition and cover for cuts to colleges and universities.

If those numbers bug you, those should be your targets.
What are you trying to say, exactly? These "fast food" workers (aka the TFW program) is designed to allow companies to circumvent our labour market and undermine job access to Canadian youths. Are you also trying to insinuate that because they are temporary that they don't need a place to live, don't need doctors and that somehow Canada is screwed without them?

Also, you're only partially correct anyways:
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We still have permanent immigration that is out of control.

Shall we discuss how "temporary residents" are using this loophole and not actually leaving the country? Or how the government isn't enforcing the deportation of said temporary residents?

You don't make a very convincing argument.
 

basketcase

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Nah, here are the numbers you really don't want to know:

View attachment 346581

Is immigration good? Sure, when it's controlled and monitored to let qualified people in. All races are welcome under this context.

Is Canada's current immigration policy good? It's unsustainable. We already have a housing crisis and a doctor shortage - this exacerbates the issue.

Politics and race aside this is a math problem. Let's be sensible. What do you think happens to our labour market with this influx of people who are willing to operate at a mucher lower cost? It lowers the quality of life for everyone.
It's so interesting how someone can start with such a rational thought then progress to simply parrot anti-immigrant talking points.

Our current immigration system isn't much different from any time in the past 50 years. The system still prioritizes people who speak English or French and have skills that are required.

p.s. Ever wonder why so many adult immigrants are working service jobs while Canadian born youth are unemployed?
 

basketcase

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What are you trying to say, exactly? These "fast food" workers (aka the TFW program) is designed to allow companies to circumvent our labour market and undermine job access to Canadian youths. ...
Could it be that many young Canadian-born people refuse to work those jobs for long? Are you arguing that corporations need to make those jobs higher paying so they are more attractive to non-immigrants?
 

Toast3d

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Could it be that many young Canadian-born people refuse to work those jobs for long? Are you arguing that corporations need to make those jobs higher paying so they are more attractive to non-immigrants?
You have it backwards. These corporations only exist because they can afford to not pay market rates by completely abusing the TFW program.

Another person who's argument makes no sense. Let's keep our corporate overlords afloat at the cost of our whole country! woohoo!
 

Toast3d

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It's so interesting how someone can start with such a rational thought then progress to simply parrot anti-immigrant talking points.

Our current immigration system isn't much different from any time in the past 50 years. The system still prioritizes people who speak English or French and have skills that are required.

p.s. Ever wonder why so many adult immigrants are working service jobs while Canadian born youth are unemployed?
You must not have eyes and able to look at graphs. Our immigration system is much different now than it was 50 years ago and I just spoon fed you graphs.
 
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NotADcotor

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Immigration is great if done properly with limited numbers and letting in Quality people. Only highly skilled individuals with good degrees and those hard-to-fill jobs, who help the economy grow, should be allowed. Refugees, religious radicals, and others who depend on the government and taxpayers without contributing should not be permitted. These groups often protest and damage public property, which is detrimental to society and cause greater damage to the overall quality of the life.
It isn't so bad if you
Build the infrastructure to keep pace
Have enough personnel to provide medical services, build up things etc [which can be done via intelligent immigration and labor policies
Provide a regulatory apparatus that makes it possible to build the housing for people to live in and make it worth building apartment buildings at a pace we last did before the 70s
I have three bedrooms I was going to rent them to Indian students [I know Gujarati and Punjabi in town and I only want to rent by referral. But I can't because 3 people is a rooming house and my long driveway is a single car width... so I can't rent to three people who don't have cars or driver's licenses because I can't... provide them with parking? Good thing we don't have a housing crisis. I can rent to 2, but the lady downtown said I would count as one of those two even though the rules clearly state that those you rent to "for profit" only count and I don't rent to myself, but that is another story.

But it's so much better to pass the blame to immigrants or greed depending on where on the spectrum you are.

And some of those non quality people to use your term are the movers and shakers who open business and have ambition. Also their kids depending on where they are from tend to become the quality people you are talking, but by the 3rd or 4th generation they become fat lazy slobs like the rest of us. One of us! One of us!
 
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