i totally agree with you happygrump. we don't know if reducing CO2 emissions will really help, but it is certainly worth a try. the problem is, everyone is too comfortable in their present lifestyle and are not willing to make small changes and sacrifices. and no we can't stop gases fdrom forest fires or volcanoes, but we can do something about human's effects on the environment. there are many other problems related to the destruction of the environment, if there was more of a concern, then perhaps we could avoid or slow down such problems.
Is global warming bad?
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Kat
you need to control natures emissions also
But before you throw into the theory, I reming you that a theory is something plausable but unproven.
you need to control natures emissions also
But before you throw into the theory, I reming you that a theory is something plausable but unproven.
Do you have a cite for volcanoes? The only one I can find is that human activity was 150x the sum total of all global volcano activity... a pretty different number.Cinema Face said:
They talk about greenhouse gases causing global warming, yet I can’t believe that we human are making that big an impact. A single volcano irruption can generate more greenhouse gases than all the cars in the world could in 25 years.
There’s a lot more to this subject that we need to understand before we can start saying, “the sky is falling.�
I think the one reality is noone will change anything until we truly know we are fucked. People were jumping all over the antarctic researchers who showed parts of antarctica were growing colder as evidence against global warming... when the very scientists who did the work felt this was a ridiculous conclusion (suits politicians and laymen though).
There is too much money on the line for people to change now... we will change once things are out of our control...
Kat
when I was about 12 or 13 the chicken littles were touting a new iceage was comming oddly enuff not too many years later we are headed for global warming.
But in any event I would wager that mankind will distroy all life on earth long before nature can. While i am known as a conservitive and supporter of my country's military and stand by that. I would reccomend educating your children not to hate. As well as not to fall into the HAVES and HAVE NOTS crap that was pushed so hard this past election. So maybe in a few hundred years war will but nothing but a lesson in history
when I was about 12 or 13 the chicken littles were touting a new iceage was comming oddly enuff not too many years later we are headed for global warming.
But in any event I would wager that mankind will distroy all life on earth long before nature can. While i am known as a conservitive and supporter of my country's military and stand by that. I would reccomend educating your children not to hate. As well as not to fall into the HAVES and HAVE NOTS crap that was pushed so hard this past election. So maybe in a few hundred years war will but nothing but a lesson in history
Yes, but if we wait for this partiicular theory to be proven absolutely, it will likely be too late to do anything about it.papasmerf said:
But before you throw into the theory, I reming you that a theory is something plausable but unproven.
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!Asterix said:Yes, but if we wait for this partiicular theory to be proven absolutely, it will likely be too late to do anything about it.
and papasmerf, what are you bringing up war for? they are two different things. regardless of what happens with the future in terms of war, the environmental issues will still be here, and with people dismissing them so quickly, there could be more problems than we can handle.
I would not rush to this oneAsterix said:Yes, but if we wait for this partiicular theory to be proven absolutely, it will likely be too late to do anything about it.
But I will say while hybred electric cars, using 2 drive wheels with seperate motors and a differental with proper gearing and 2 drive shafts when combined with 2 generators operating independently to recharge batteries is a good begining. Is plausabe when combined with a small auxillery engine.
However you will find trucking needs something ballzier. So a re-emergance of rail traffic is needed.
Katkat19 said:MY POINT EXACTLY!!!
and papasmerf, what are you bringing up war for? they are two different things. regardless of what happens with the future in terms of war, the environmental issues will still be here, and with people dismissing them so quickly, there could be more problems than we can handle.
it is pragmatic to consider the realities. And if you want to make a difference you need to be willing to make one completely and not with blinders on.
The real problem is not so much what has been done now, but what is about to happen, with hug economies in India, Asia coming online. All these billions of people what to drive SUVs, live in big houses, and have the same disposable lifestyle we have here. At present they can afford to produce, but they cant afford to produce cleanly. The clearing of the forests, and all this pollution has to make a difference. Unfortunately, there is no way to stop this progress.
KBear said:The real problem is not so much what has been done now, but what is about to happen, with hug economies in India, Asia coming online. All these billions of people what to drive SUVs, live in big houses, and have the same disposable lifestyle we have here. At present they can afford to produce, but they cant afford to produce cleanly. The clearing of the forests, and all this pollution has to make a difference. Unfortunately, there is no way to stop this progress.
Why has no one mentioned the fact that most other nations have not anti-pollution laws???
So howcome it falls onto the Americas?
The ironic twist to this is that as developed countries become less dependent on oil, consumption by developing counties will increase dramatically, and likely used in automobiles and machinary that are far less efficient. We have to come up with alternative fuel asap, but oil will continue to be burned regardless, until they've taken the last drop out of the ground.
Kida makes this whole question of how and what become much more complex when you begin to annalyze the facts.
Climate Change Update Report
If you have the time here is a link to a last friday radio show on NPR dealing with a comprehensive report on Global Warming and what it bodes for the future:
Just scroll down to the Climate Change Update and you can listen to this show:
http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgDate=12-Nov-2004&prgId=5
If you have the time here is a link to a last friday radio show on NPR dealing with a comprehensive report on Global Warming and what it bodes for the future:
Just scroll down to the Climate Change Update and you can listen to this show:
http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgDate=12-Nov-2004&prgId=5
NPR
No Proof Radio????
Maybe
New Political Reform?
Cause it sure aint public when it only deals in facts as seen by grant applicants
Of course that is just my opinion and does not reflect the opinions of liberals anywhere
Now on to the theory
No Proof Radio????
Maybe
New Political Reform?
Cause it sure aint public when it only deals in facts as seen by grant applicants
Of course that is just my opinion and does not reflect the opinions of liberals anywhere
Now on to the theory
Didn't we have one of the coldest summers in like 50 years?Escohort said:The last 20 winters have been pretty mild. This week the temps will be around plus 10 degrees which is a bit high as well.
If this is not global warming then I dont know what is.
Oil is a major concern. I read an article in The Economist (so I don't think its BS) that basically said the amount of oil in the world is vastly over-estimated. They're now not sure if there's more than 200 more years' worth of oil. Better start looking for that alternative fuel sooner rather than later...
Yea but that does not fit the theoryDon said:Didn't we have one of the coldest summers in like 50 years?
