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Is global warming bad?

papasmerf

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Ranger68 said:
No, I'll censure people's posts if they have NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE THREAD IS ABOUT.

Like yours.

:)



Sounds like the bad bay syndrome. Try the yellow pills, they tend to help.
 

Asterix

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papasmerf said:
Working upon the assumption that machines are causing this, are yu willing to shut them off?????

The only reasonable response is to eliminate the cause???

How much of this has been caused by the planets reduced ability to photosynthesize??????????


Maybe the wood has been the problem for centuries.
papasmerf,

You're ranting again. I simply posted what I think is fairly convincing evidence that global warming is real, and by a large consensus of scientists, is caused by us.

If the US State Department thought they were paying for "facts reported fittting the conclusion desired", I guess they didn't get their moneys worth.
 

papasmerf

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Asterix said:
papasmerf,

You're ranting again. I simply posted what I think is fairly convincing evidence that global warming is real, and by a large consensus of scientists, is caused by us.

If the US State Department thought they were paying for "facts reported fittting the conclusion desired", I guess they didn't get their moneys worth.

Not ranting
suggesting that prehaps the deforesting that has occured over the past 20 centuries may well have added to the problem beyond the tunnel vision being offered here.

BTW rant may hold a meaning you just don't get.


rant:
Violent or extravagant speech or writing.
A speech or piece of writing that incites anger or violence: “The vast majority [of teenagers logged onto the Internet] did not encounter recipes for pipe bombs or deranged rants about white supremacy� (Daniel Okrent).
Chiefly British. Wild or uproarious merriment.




My posts are not angry, but yours are.( you might want to stop ranting, ranger too)
 

Ranger68

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Yeah, okay, I'm done with this.

Nobody has any serious scientific objections to the fact of HCGW.
 

Asterix

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happygrump said:
Actually, melting tundra will make drilling more difficult. It's extremely difficult to move heavy equipment through mud, but it's a snap moving it over permafrost.
As far as working on tundra, or what used to be tundra, you're correct, and it could pose serious problems for the pipeline as it starts to sink into the muck. The oil companies see the melting of the ice cap as an advantage because it would give them access to potential fields further north of Alaska and Siberia, currently encased in ice.
 

papasmerf

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Ranger68 said:
Yeah, okay, I'm done with this.

Nobody has any serious scientific objections to the fact of HCGW.
Since you ARE TALKING THEORY, aguing by providing any science beyond what has been provided would encourage your childish censurship.
 

Asterix

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papasmerf,

If possible, can we stay on topic? I'm assuming you clicked on the link, if you would like another link to the full report let me know. This study was funded by governments from many countries with diverse agendas, and at least as far as the Arctic, is by far the most comphrehensive ever done. I'm sure none of the countries were thrilled by the results. Me neither, but why don't you try reading it, or at least the highlights of it, and discussing it based on it's merits. Try looking at NASA photographs of the North Pole in summertime from 30 years ago compared to today. The differences are staggering. I'm not sure you appreciate how fast the change is happening.
 

papasmerf

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Asterix said:
papasmerf,

If possible, can we stay on topic? I'm assuming you clicked on the link, if you would like another link to the full report let me know. This study was funded by governments from many countries with diverse agendas, and at least as far as the Arctic, is by far the most comphrehensive ever done. I'm sure none of the countries were thrilled by the results. Me neither, but why don't you try reading it, or at least the highlights of it, and discussing it based on it's merits. Try looking at NASA photographs of the North Pole in summertime from 30 years ago compared to today. The differences are staggering. I'm not sure you appreciate how fast the change is happening

I am not denying the pole so to speak is shrinking

I am however not ready to by into the sky is falling Green House effect.

I have followed the idea od the rising oceans for several years and side with the naturaly changes in climate that this planet has.
 

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papasmerf said:
I am not denying the pole so to speak is shrinking

I am however not ready to by into the sky is falling Green House effect.

I have followed the idea od the rising oceans for several years and side with the naturaly changes in climate that this planet has.
So to speak? No, it's not only shrinking, but may very actually disappear. The North and South poles function much like air conditioners for the earth, not so much because they are obviously cold, but because ice and snow reflect heat from the sun back into space. Once this has melted exposing land or water, that reflectivity is lost and temperatures rise. This process is happening so rapidly in the north I don't see how anyone can consider it natural.
 

papasmerf

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Asterix said:
So to speak? No, it's not only shrinking, but may very actually disappear. The North and South poles function much like air conditioners for the earth, not so much because they are obviously cold, but because ice and snow reflect heat from the sun back into space. Once this has melted exposing land or water, that reflectivity is lost and temperatures rise. This process is happening so rapidly in the north I don't see how anyone can consider it natural.



But others can not see how people see it as abnormal, when you do not have a baseline for normal.
 

Ranger68

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papasmerf said:
Since you ARE TALKING THEORY, aguing by providing any science beyond what has been provided would encourage your childish censurship.
LOL
Nice try.
:D
 

langeweile

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Ranger68 said:
Yeah, okay, I'm done with this.

Nobody has any serious scientific objections to the fact of HCGW.
Yeah you are right. According to your opinion nobody has provided any facts, true.
However you have failed to produce any theory to the contrary as well. So at best we are were evrybody else is..a draw.
 

blitz

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Languish!

Silly kook, are you still dangling your loose hemorrhoidal ideals around here?

Please do me a fav and get the swelling down from your ?brain?



PapaSmerf:

I Drive an SUV and I own two cottages way north of "cottage country" so I subscribe to these theories:

*leave only footprints
*pack it in, pack it out
*reduce waste
*always recycle
*eat fresh, without packaging
*Toronto's 20/20/20 plan - being single and self employed I am able to minimize light/heat/water usage as well as keep my truck off the road
*trees and gardens rule, I plant them every place and chance that I get!

I know that there is more that I do, what do you do?
 

papasmerf

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I don't suscribe to the sky is falling theory.


But I support the idea of alternative building materials, wood comes from trees. Trees and plants as you light recall from grammer school, convert Co2 into O2. WOW NATURES OWN AIR SCRUBBER!!!!!!!!!!!!

I drive several vechiles, one for work 2 for pleasure. I don't plant gardens cause I just dont take time to weed them, but appreciate those who do.

I like fresh to frozen and prefer gentle off shore breezes to any fan or air conditioning. Top off the jeep no need to cool it.


I like the smell of buning wood and stop to admire quality workmanship, in many mediums.

To me increased miliage is good, decreased performance is not necessary.

I think those who do right are trying. And wil make a difference. I suscribe to education, not legestation. And Believe we can, even when many say we can't.
 

blitz

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In this particular forum, we agree.

It is a greedy society, North America, and every little bit of respect that an individual can give to our environment is worthwile.

That being said, I will likely forever drive a truckish type vehicle given my needs but I will do my best to keep it off the road when it's not necessary. Who else is doing this?

We look to our Gov's for Massive help in this regard and excuse me but I feel that the US and many other countries are falling short in this type of leadership. We know why and it is just not right!

Peace.
 

langeweile

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blitz said:
Languish!

Silly kook, are you still dangling your loose hemorrhoidal ideals around here?

Please do me a fav and get the swelling down from your ?brain?



PapaSmerf:

I Drive an SUV and I own two cottages way north of "cottage country" so I subscribe to these theories:

*leave only footprints
*pack it in, pack it out
*reduce waste
*always recycle
*eat fresh, without packaging
*Toronto's 20/20/20 plan - being single and self employed I am able to minimize light/heat/water usage as well as keep my truck off the road
*trees and gardens rule, I plant them every place and chance that I get!

I know that there is more that I do, what do you do?
I am glad you feel better doing all these wonderful things. That occasional tree planting should make up for the SUV.. I guess. Most make you feel great throwing a few cans, some plastic and a few scraps of cardboard in to the bin. WOW you are such an enviromentalist I feel so stupid and insignificant next to you.

Some of your comments sound like talking points from the Sierra Club

All hail the great blitz the great protector of the enviroment.
 

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papasmerf said:
I don't suscribe to the sky is falling theory.


But I support the idea of alternative building materials, wood comes from trees. Trees and plants as you light recall from grammer school, convert Co2 into O2. WOW NATURES OWN AIR SCRUBBER!!!!!!!!!!!!

I drive several vechiles, one for work 2 for pleasure. I don't plant gardens cause I just dont take time to weed them, but appreciate those who do.

I like fresh to frozen and prefer gentle off shore breezes to any fan or air conditioning. Top off the jeep no need to cool it.


I like the smell of buning wood and stop to admire quality workmanship, in many mediums.

To me increased miliage is good, decreased performance is not necessary.

I think those who do right are trying. And wil make a difference. I suscribe to education, not legestation. And Believe we can, even when many say we can't.
Is this the new molson canadian commercial? LOL
 

Ranger68

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langeweile said:
Yeah you are right. According to your opinion nobody has provided any facts, true.
However you have failed to produce any theory to the contrary as well. So at best we are were evrybody else is..a draw.
Actually, I've posted links to various sites.

I'll post dozens, if you'd like.
 

blitz

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langeweile said:
I am glad you feel better doing all these wonderful things. That occasional tree planting should make up for the SUV.. I guess. Most make you feel great throwing a few cans, some plastic and a few scraps of cardboard in to the bin. WOW you are such an enviromentalist I feel so stupid and insignificant next to you.

Some of your comments sound like talking points from the Sierra Club

All hail the great blitz the great protector of the enviroment.
Languish, you so craazee! Yo brain so lazee and yo grip so shallow!

I live the love and life, sadly I belive that you love the hate and strife.

It saddens me to hear opinions from a man (?) that plagiarizes rhetoric.

What have YOU done for OUR world? Killer lover!

Please make a list Languish, and share it with us. I'll even resereve judgement that it is true and not just another dripping from your ass brain.
 
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