[?]Is COVID a hoax?

lenny2

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Yes, laughable.

They do not offer evidence. The top hits even includes "very probable" in the title of the opinion piece. And it only offer "arguments", no evidence.
Evidence can be "very probable" or unlikely or substantial or controversial, etc, in support of a proposition,. e.g. in a court case.

The links i posted lead to many dozens of articles & sources. I know you didn't read them all.

Arguments, reasoning, logic, etc can all be considered "evidence" according to:

" Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion, because evident things are undoubted. There are two kind of evidence: intellectual evidence and empirical evidence".

Evidence for God's existence may be alleged and argued from such things as:

1) Creation
2) Miracles
3) NDE's
4) Eyewitness testimonies
5) Fulfilled prophesy
6) Personal experiences
7) etc
 
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That's just it -- I don't have to prove that god exists. I'm not making a claim that god exists. The religious people make that claim, so if anyone needs to prove the existence of god, it's the religious people.
That basically is a direct contradiction of your entire first post ;p
Ok then

If I said I believe God exists you only have 2 possible choices
Accept what I say
Disprove what I say

Your entire diatribe against conspiracy theory nuts was they are all nuts BECAUSE they can not disprove a negative (which I pointed out was also dead wrong)

Yet now you think it is somehow scientifically accurate for you to post a random fact (God does not exist)

You actually said (in previous post) you had "scientific evidence" that PROVED he did not exist
So come on, where is it?
 

TeeJay

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Despite all the sound, concrete evidence that shows God, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy do not exist, we cannot prove with 100% certainty they do not exist.
SHOW me the "sound concrete evidence" that shows God does not exist

It's pretty funny you claim you do not need "any proof" for your assertions on one hand yet claim everyone else is misguided since their conspiracies have no way to prove them
 

JeanGary Diablo

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Exactly.

What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof.
I always refer back to the "teapot theory" of philosopher Bertrand Russell (also called Russell's teapot), which I think outlines this concept perfectly.

If you're not familiar with the theory, it goes like this: If I tell you there is a teapot that's orbiting Mars that's too small to be seen with a telescope, and I offer you absolutely no evidence that the teapot exists, would you believe in the teapot? Probably not. Still, you would not be able to prove to me that the orbiting celestial teapot does not exist. But just because you cannot prove there's not a teapot orbiting Mars doesn't mean people should now start believing in the teapot.

The point of the analogy is that the burden of proof lies 100% with the person/people making an unprovable claim -- in this case, it is absolutely not the job of non-believers, such as you and I, to prove that God/gods do not exist, but it is up to the people making the claim that there is a God/gods to prove that they're correct.

Bertrand Russell's teapot can likewise be applied to virtually every conspiracy theory -- it's not up to us to prove those theories wrong; it's up to conspiracy theorists to prove themselves correct if they want to be believed.
 

JeanGary Diablo

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SHOW me the "sound concrete evidence" that shows God does not exist

It's pretty funny you claim you do not need "any proof" for your assertions on one hand yet claim everyone else is misguided since their conspiracies have no way to prove them
OK, I will use an old one. I say there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster. You should believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Now prove to me that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist.
 
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JuanGoodman

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Covid is a hoax but the "war" on covid isn't. It's here to stay with us as a new normal. This is not going away anytime soon. It will only get worse, much worse.
 

lenny2

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Total tangent but lol wtf???

Conspiracies in general are a *positive* not a negative
They allege *something* has happened/is happening
I have yet to see any "negative" conspiracy

Even in your example
Person A says (positive) we landed on the moon
Person B says (positive) we faked the moon landing in a studio
Both are positives that claim they did something
Neither can disprove the others assertion

A negative conspiracy theory would state, for example:

Man did not land on the moon.
 

lenny2

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That's just it -- I don't have to prove that god exists. I'm not making a claim that god exists. The religious people make that claim, so if anyone needs to prove the existence of god, it's the religious people.
You made the claim:

"all the sound, concrete evidence that shows God, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy do not exist,..."

Yet provided none.

OHOH many claim there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
 

JeanGary Diablo

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Covid is a hoax but the "war" on covid isn't. It's here to stay with us as a new normal. This is not going away anytime soon. It will only get worse, much worse.
People wore face masks during the 1918 flu pandemic. After a vaccine was developed, the face masks came off. Restrictions were relaxed, things went back to normal.

See?

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Same thing will happen with COVID-19. The "new normal" will not be everyone social distancing and and wearing masks for the rest of eternity. Probably within a year things will largely be back to normal. The quicker people start wearing masks, social distance, avoid gatherings and get the vaccine when it comes out, the faster we'll get through it.

The dipshits who keep saying Covid isn't serious, refuse to distance, refuse to wear masks, refuse to abstain from gatherings and don't get vaccinated because that "will cause autism" are the people who are going to prolong this.
 

JuanGoodman

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They beat the Spanish flu without social distancing as per your picture? Imagine that.

Who is the dipshit now?
 

Mr.Know-It-All

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People wore face masks during the 1918 flu pandemic. After a vaccine was developed, the face masks came off. Restrictions were relaxed, things went back to normal.

See?

Same thing will happen with COVID-19. The "new normal" will not be everyone social distancing and and wearing masks for the rest of eternity. Probably within a year things will largely be back to normal. The quicker people start wearing masks, social distance, avoid gatherings and get the vaccine when it comes out, the faster we'll get through it.

The dipshits who keep saying Covid isn't serious, refuse to distance, refuse to wear masks, refuse to abstain from gatherings and don't get vaccinated because that "will cause autism" are the people who are going to prolong this.
The Spanish Flu wasn't conquered using a vaccine. No viral vaccine was available. The Spanish Flu disappeared all on its own. It wasn't masks or social distancing that stopped it. Once it killed off the tens of millions that didn't have immunity to it, the world moved on.
 
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Then explain why man hasn't been on the moon since
How many times have we been to the moon?
The United States would go on to complete six crewed missions to the moon that landed a total of 12 astronauts (all men) from 1969 to 1972 in a series of Apollo missions numbering up to Apollo 17.


Don't let facts stand in the way.
 

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Covid is a hoax but the "war" on covid isn't. It's here to stay with us as a new normal. This is not going away anytime soon. It will only get worse, much worse.
Why will it get worse. Do you mean politically because a vaccine is on the way so it can't get worse.
 

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OK, I will use an old one. I say there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster. You should believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Now prove to me that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist.
The proper response is to drown it out with similar nonsense.

The same argument can be had with a devout follower of Zeus. When an evangelical Christian has to continuously battle people with false gods, the hope is at some point they realize they're using the same arguments. So yes, let's get some temples built for Osiris and Ra, and demand the same tax status, and demand they be taken seriously, and bring back the whole Pantheon, and let someone who argues for the divinity of Jesus go head to head with a priest of Jupiter and Apollo. Eventually, it's going to devolve into an argument not dissimilar to which ball team is superior, and we can all stop paying attention to the mindless drivel.
 
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The proper response is to drown it out with similar nonsense.

The same argument can be had with a devout follower of Zeus. When an evangelical Christian has to continuously battle people with false gods, the hope is at some point they realize they're using the same arguments. So yes, let's get some temples built for Osiris and Ra, and demand the same tax status, and demand they be taken seriously, and bring back the whole Pantheon, and let someone who argues for the divinity of Jesus go head to head with a priest of Jupiter and Apollo. Eventually, it's going to devolve into an argument not dissimilar to which ball team is superior, and we can all stop paying attention to the mindless drivel.
There must be a reason why all those civilizations that used to build temples to Zeus switched their belief to Christ.
 
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