Is Canada racist?

Sorry this man's claim is so bogus it's laughable. Unfortunately the Canadian system is the same for different reasons. He came to Canada, probably under a visitors visa, fine. worked here for a bit while under that visa, not fine, and now when his visa is about to expire (a guess) he's claiming refugee status on the grounds of persecution. If his claim was legit he would have done so immediately upon arrival, not now.

As for SA's claim of racism, their history speaks for itself. Don't get me wrong I like the country as a whole, having been there more than once, and the people are good people but their still a work in progress on the rebound from 50 years of insanity brought on by whites in power. The government has much to learn and much to do before it implodes on not being able to deliver on promises it made. This is the government that for years had it's top official say it didn't have an AIDS problem and if you ate your turnips you'd be protected. They have so much to learn don't they. As for this case it's simply as case as often happens of someone wanting to look like they're doing something.

SA has it's problems; Johannesburg is the festering boil that drags on the rest of the country and should lanced, they have a unique social structure that seems to work and is excepted in as much as you have the whites the blacks and the coloured (everyone else) with all the subsurface tensions that play on that every day and they have their own institutional racism, much along tribal lines. A white person can't open a business without a black as a partner. The Zulus are the largest tribe, with the best representation in government, and get the best shots at whatever.

Then they do something amazing like the Truth and Reconciliation Boards. Try that in Canada, right.

Back on topic; horse shit!!
 
winstar said:
I've had it with the stupidity of Canadians. They are really stupid (especially white canadians). Canadians want to exclude me, fine. I'll leave
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Bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Hope you have an early flight.

winstar said:
Soon, it will just end up being a country of dumb, lazy, racist, coked out, white people, because all the smart people would have invested their time elsewhere.
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Yup that's why we have so many non-white immigrants... they want to come to Canada and become white according to your logic.... :rolleyes:

winstar said:
No point in me getting totally invested in this, I know I am way better than most of the white people in this country.
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Delusion is a wonderful thing. Your attitude already ranks you down pretty low without examining anything else about you.
 
Yes there is racism. I was at the Granite Club recently with friend of mine who wanted me to apply and the looks I got were interesting. They were shocked someone who had some color was on their premises. An Asian friend of mine who was also invited to join said the same thing.
 
roger_rabbit said:
Yes there is racism. I was at the Granite Club recently with friend of mine who wanted me to apply and the looks I got were interesting. They were shocked someone who had some color was on their premises. An Asian friend of mine who was also invited to join said the same thing.
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Look into the history of the granite club and you'll understand why. It's not right, but it's why.

There are always bastions of ignorance like that which hang on for a long long time.
 
The way we've treated our Native people we have no right to point fingers at others. They're at the lowest rung of society in every Canadian city, of course there is racism.
 
Brill said:
The way we've treated our Native people we have no right to point fingers at others. They're at the lowest rung of society in every Canadian city, of course there is racism.
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Yes, the native community has been given the dirty end of the stick often but that doesn't mean we should ignore others problems. If we did clean up our house ora at least move in that direction then others would take our criticism more to heart.
 
This topic really pisses me off. Both for those who pre-judge others based on race, and those who are equally racist but non-Caucasian getting up on a soap box talking about how all Caucasians are racist.

Everyone pre-judges everyone. It happens, it's natural, it's part of the way we interact, it's a defense mechanism, etc. It's when you make blanket statements about groups that it goes to far, and then to start treating those people based on that outrageous viewpoint is also true.

Being of European background, I can fully attest to the discrimination amongst Caucasians. Hell, even within the same ethnic groups it exists (your village is in the mountains, so you're this... yeah, well yours is by the sea so you're this).

Exists amongst Africans (remember, Europeans weren't going into the bush to find slaves; they just traded for them with stronger tribes), Asians, hell every continent on earth, and I could probably include Antarctica (geologists versus zoologists versus, etc. you get my point).

It's all stupid, but it exists. What pisses me off are those who embrace it.

That was a rant, I could have gone on and on, but then I'd make myself look like even more of an idiot, so I'm done.

PS Noir, I think you're hot, and I missed you yesterday, I'm watching out for the next available opportunity. However I'm not sorry that it will probably be a one-on-one... :)
 
winstar said:
Yes Canada is racist.

It wouldn't seem so if you're white, but ask any person of color and they wouldn't hesitate to say that it is. I see it everyday, in hiring practices, employment opportunities, in the academic field, in dating and friendship, the legal system, the way news is reported, in law enforcement, in virtually every sphere. Canada in my opinion, is actually more racist than the States. At least they make the effort to encourage people of color in the arts, and in about every level of social participation. Canadians don't examine, talk about and discuss, or engage in dialogue, about this issue.
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You see it all the time do you ? So you have been looking for a job and because you did not get exactly what you want you play the race card.
Also apparently you have been turned down by a 'white woman' for a date. With the chip on your shoulder it is no wonder she turned you down.






winstar said:
As a person of color born and raised here, I can't say I am impressed. I have made it very far academically, and will not be investing it here, I will be putting my investment in a country that I feel will give me a shot at developing my fullest potential, and it isn't here. ... And I know I am a valuable commodity because I am young, educated, talented, smart, and hard working.
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You are great, well educated, apparently very smart and would be a fine catch for any white woman if you do say so yourself.

So, according to you, you were born here, raised here, educated here and yet you cannot catch a break. Well you certainly are a Canadian with a non-white back ground that much is clear as crystal.






winstar said:
When 911 went down, people here looked and treated me like a terrorist, even younger people, who haven't been living in this country longer than I have. When SARS hit, everyone was avoiding my Asian friends when we would walk down the street. I've had it with the stupidity of Canadians. They are really stupid (especially white canadians). Instead of supporting us, born and raised, they treat us poorly, don't include us in their social circles, and don't provide us the opportunities to really shine. As such, there is no point in me making an investment in this country, when this country doesn't give me their best.

Canadians want to exclude me, fine. I'll leave, and so will all the smart hard working people. Soon, it will just end up being a country of dumb, lazy, racist, coked out, white people, because all the smart people would have invested their time elsewhere.
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As someone else already said "do not let the door hit you on the way out". If I thought it would happen I would start a fund to get you a one way first class airfare ticket to the distination of your choice. You mentioned the US, please oh please go try your 'woe is me' act there.




winstar said:
No point in me getting totally invested in this, I know I am way better than most of the white people in this country.
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I love this line.



When you find the place, that place, that just gives you what you want on a whim, you will send word so all the other smart(obviously non-white) people may follow.


Winstar, as soon as you leave Canada will be a little less racist.
 
winstar said:
Yes Canada is racist.
Canada in my opinion, is actually more racist than the States. At least they make the effort to encourage people of color in the arts, and in about every level of social participation. Canadians don't examine, talk about and discuss, or engage in dialogue, about this issue.
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Every country contains some people who are racist. The USA has a truly appalling history of overt racism, and a large black minority which has successfuly fought back, which has compelled Americans to acknowledge the situation and make very public attempts to correct it.

That said, I still believe visible minorities are likely to have a much rougher time in the USA than here, especially Muslims, for obvious reasons.

The Conservatives have toyed with a racist agenda for political gain, but I predict they will pay for it at the polls. Canadians may ignore racism, but when their faces are rubbed in it, they are likely to respond with outrage.
 
There is not one place that does not have issues with race.

As for the USA... despite their negative reputation regarding race, they are still the only developed country in the world to elect a visible minority as the leader of the government. That is why Obama's victory was so incredible to the world.
 
Noir said:
... it's a shame that you feel this way. I have encountered quite a bit of racism in my life but I understand that it seems to be inevitable. Racism is everywhere and unfortunately it is a fact of life - not only for visible minorities but even within the Caucasian community. (Think about the dynamics in Europe...) I don't like it but I still love this country for what it is, what I have here and I know that if I were born elsewhere I wouldn't be the person that I am today. ^_^ I hold no grudges against those who chose to judge me - lol... we all judge at one point.

I would love to live in a world where people take me at face value for the skill sets that I have, the person that I am and my mores and values but - unfortunately that won't happen for a long while. In the meantime, I won't LET myself be limited by my skin colour or my gender and I'll transcend the limits that have been placed upon me by society and live my life. Hell, I'm always up for a challenge... :D

I say don't blame the country, blame the people. ^_^ Give back to the system that gave to you, and reeducate the poor saps that think that you shouldn't have done as well as you did. Who knows, maybe someday you'll be able to help out another poorly treated 'minority' - help create the resources and support systems necessary. Lately I've noticed that minorities (IME those in the black community) are the last ones that want to help and support one another...
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Wow Noir, I hope I get to meet you in a vanilla situation someday, you truly impress me. I do hope that if you are not already working on a university degree, you consider doing so!
 
dcbogey said:
Is Canada racist?
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Oh please, just because the African National Congress can make political points by saying so.

Unfortunately, things in South Africa have not turned out nearly as harmoniously as anti-apartheid campaigners seemingly thought the world would be.

I realize that saying the following is considered political incorrect on TERB and likewise there don't seem to be many descendants of "Old Comers" on TERB. However, but for a simple decision as to whether to take a ship to Sud Afrika or der Neue Nederlanden at least some of us might have been there instead. How long does your family have to have lived somewhere before you “belong”?

Unfortunately, campaigners in both Canada and the U.S. having achieved the dissolution of the previous South African Government, have done precious little to make South Africa into the sort of place where they would personally want to live.
 
poonhunter said:
There is NO racism in Canada just immigrants :rolleyes:
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Bingo!

Everytime I get on the TTC streetcar in Parkdale, 2.4% of the people on there are white (including me), and the other 97.6% are not racist.

But don't get me started on affirmative action though.
 
winstar said:
Yes Canada is racist.

It wouldn't seem so if you're white, but ask any person of color and they wouldn't hesitate to say that it is. I see it everyday, in hiring practices, employment opportunities, in the academic field, in dating and friendship, the legal system, the way news is reported, in law enforcement, in virtually every sphere. Canada in my opinion, is actually more racist than the States. At least they make the effort to encourage people of color in the arts, and in about every level of social participation. Canadians don't examine, talk about and discuss, or engage in dialogue, about this issue.

As a person of color born and raised here, I can't say I am impressed. I have made it very far academically, and will not be investing it here, I will be putting my investment in a country that I feel will give me a shot at developing my fullest potential, and it isn't here. When 911 went down, people here looked and treated me like a terrorist, even younger people, who haven't been living in this country longer than I have. When SARS hit, everyone was avoiding my Asian friends when we would walk down the street. I've had it with the stupidity of Canadians. They are really stupid (especially white canadians). Instead of supporting us, born and raised, they treat us poorly, don't include us in their social circles, and don't provide us the opportunities to really shine. As such, there is no point in me making an investment in this country, when this country doesn't give me their best. And I know I am a valuable commodity because I am young, educated, talented, smart, and hard working. Canadians want to exclude me, fine. I'll leave, and so will all the smart hard working people. Soon, it will just end up being a country of dumb, lazy, racist, coked out, white people, because all the smart people would have invested their time elsewhere.

No point in me getting totally invested in this, I know I am way better than most of the white people in this country.
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I think you should be banned for this post.
But it wont happen since we have a double-standard.

And yup, you're a total racist
 
kickback said:
I saw District 9 this week and was outraged about how the SA were treating the aliens.
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Awesome flick - what an unexpected pleasure.

Seemed as much pro-racism as anti though.
 
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