No that is all you. The Jerusalem post doesn't claim AIPAC is manipulating Trump.
p.s. I'm surprised you support that news organization. They are Israeli, Jewish owned, and don't support your BDS bullshit.
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No that is all you. The Jerusalem post doesn't claim AIPAC is manipulating Trump.
p.s. I'm surprised you support that news organization. They are Israeli, Jewish owned, and don't support your BDS bullshit.
I have and I will. It doesn't help peace. If their party conducted terror attacks on civilians to achieve their aims then they would be on Canada's terror list along with Hamas and Fatah's armed wing.
Thankfully though, Israel is a democracy and their official stance is support for a two state peace based on the 1967 lines with land swaps.
Israel is an apartheid state and the military occupier of Palestinians. The Likud party charter is being applied on a day to day basis.
When you read the weekly report at pchr, it looks like a shopping list for enacting the Likud charter.
http://pchrgaza.org/en/?p=9611
Why do you support that?
No that is all you. The Jerusalem post doesn't claim AIPAC is manipulating Trump.
p.s. I'm surprised you support that news organization. They are Israeli, Jewish owned, and don't support your BDS bullshit.
I read both sides of most issues, you should try it for a change.
AIPAC is a lobbying agency that tries to lobby change at the highest level, so how is it 'elders of zion' like propaganda to note newspaper articles about their effectiveness?
This isn't some secret cabal, its a publicly listed lobbying group that lobbies for change in policies with senators and presidents.
Are you claiming that Trump was working with some secret cabal when he spoke there?
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...=fQgDgMGuDI0&usg=AOvVaw3xa8VTn0zhznh5ViFyPRFR
Israel is ...
No matter what bullshit you spew about Israel, it doesn't abuse Palestinian rights anywhere near as much as their own leaders. Of course you don't want to admit that the Palestinian leadership is horrible.
Israel's official stance is a Two State peace.
Hamas' official stance is the destruction of Israel and the removal of the Jewish presence.
Fatah's military wing has the same view as Hamas.
Fatah continues to refere to Israeli cities as 'occupied'.
Even the most moderate in the PA think that although they define themselves as a Muslim state, they won't make peace with Israel using the Jewish state concept as an excuse.
Abbas turned down what the international community views as THE peace offer while Hamas refuses to accept even the concept of a permanent peace.
Why do you support terrorism from Palestinians?
I read both sides of most issues....
And automatically dismiss any Jew that disagrees with you while claiming Jews that agree with you deserve to be listened to.
For example, if I were to post the Israeli government list of terror attacks this year you would automatically dismiss it as fake. But you have no problem accepting as gospel the claims of a Palestinian organization.
And the more you claim that AIPAC is manipulating the US government, the more it explains you obsession with Israel and your refusal to criticize Arab leaders when they do bad.
p.s. You admit the hypocrisy of BDS when you support Israeli business if they serve your purpose.
No matter what bullshit you spew about Israel, it doesn't abuse Palestinian rights anywhere near as much as their own leaders. Of course you don't want to admit that the Palestinian leadership is horrible.
Israel's official stance is a Two State peace.
Hamas' official stance is the destruction of Israel and the removal of the Jewish presence.
Apartheid and ethnic cleansing are worse then anything you've accused Palestinians of at this point.
The P.A's official stance is for the two state solution and Hamas' new charter says they'd accept the two state solution based off of 1967 borders.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...inian-state-1967-borders-170501114309725.html
Once again you are lying.
And while the official Israel position supports the two state solution they continue to take more land, colonize more, stop peace talks and entrench their apartheid rule.
To top it off the PM's party's charter calls for taking over all the land themselves, which now reads worse then the new Hamas charter.
Why do you continue to support apartheid?
And automatically dismiss any Jew that disagrees with you while claiming Jews that agree with you deserve to be listened to.
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Same as I treat people on this board.
You got a problem with that?
Obviously its not based on race, but on opinions and knowledge.
Apartheid and ethnic cleansing are worse then anything you've accused Palestinians of at this point....
And they're not happening in Israel no matter how much you want to claim it.
Meanwhile the official Palestinian stance is support for terror. Hamas is open about being terrorists while Fatah celebrates terrorists and pays those convicted of terrorism.
Why do you continue to support Palestinian terrorism?
Same as I treat people on this board.....
Yes. Your pretense of seeking balance is hilarious. It is eminently clear that you only care for views that support your bias and automatically write off anything you don't like in the same way that Trump does.
The fact that you make a point of mentioning the religion of Jews you agree with speaks volumes about who you are.
... Hamas' new charter says they'd accept the two state solution based off of 1967 borders.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...inian-state-1967-borders-170501114309725.html
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p.s. You might want to read that article instead of just the headline. Meshaal makes clear that their view hasn't changed.
"Hamas rejects any idea except liberating the home soil entirely and completely, although it does not necessarily mean we recognise the Zionist entity or give up any of our Palestinian rights."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...inian-state-1967-borders-170501114309725.html
Reading the actual document makes it clear their goal is the elimination of Israel
The IRMH is a liberation, Islamic and Palestinian national resistance movement. It aims to liberate Palestine and to fight against the Zionist Project, its reference is Islam in its principles and goals.
Palestine, with its historical known borders from Jordan’s river in the east to the mediterranean sea in the west, from Ras Al Nakora in the north to Om Al Rashrash in the south, this land is Palestinian and a united regional unit. Displacing Palestinians and creating a Zionist entity does not cancel the right of Palestinians to their entire land, and does not validate the Zionist entity to violate this land.
Palestine is an Arab and Islamic land, it is holy and blessed and it has a special place in the heart of all Arabs and Muslims.
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The real state is the fruit of the liberation, and there is no alternative to the creation of the Palestinian state, with its sovereignty on the entire Palestinian land with Jerusalem as its capital.
http://mondoweiss.net/2017/04/translated-leaked-charter/
Right their in black and white that Hamas goal is still the destruction of Israel and the elimination of the Jewish presence.
Seems you are the liar.
Also worth mentioning is their racist (and sexist) definition of who will be allowed in their country.
The Palestinians are the Arab citizens who lived in Palestine before 1947. Anyone who was displaced or stayed in Palestine, anyone who was born from an Arab Palestinian father after 1947, inside or outside the country is Palestinian.
Quite simply, the only noticeable change is that they use the code word "zionist" instead of Jew.
p.s. You might want to read that article instead of just the headline. Meshaal makes clear that their view hasn't changed.
"Hamas rejects any idea except liberating the home soil entirely and completely, although it does not necessarily mean we recognise the Zionist entity or give up any of our Palestinian rights."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...inian-state-1967-borders-170501114309725.html
Nonsense, Hamas' goal may be all the land, just as Likud's goal is the same, but they also clearly stated that they would accept the two state solution on 1967 borders.
That, at present, is more then Israel says right now.
Nonsense, Hamas' goal may be all the land,....
Nice of you to admit you were wrong about Hamas' view that they would not see a Two State peace as the end to the conflict.
If they ever give up on terrorism, relinquish their non-governmental army, and become a purely political force then their desire for a greater Palestine will be as insignificant as Likud's goal.
Nice of you to admit you were wrong about Hamas' view that they would not see a Two State peace as the end to the conflict.
If they ever give up on terrorism, relinquish their non-governmental army, and become a purely political force then their desire for a greater Palestine will be as insignificant as Likud's goal.
Hamas said they would accept the two state solution, that's more then Likud is doing.
Hamas also appears to have given up on terrorism.
Sounds like they are moving forward towards a non-violent solution while Israel continues to entrench their apartheid rule.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...ler-housing-heart-hebron-171016102558426.html
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779328
Hamas said they would accept the two state solution,...
Hamas also appears to have given up on terrorism....
Both of those statements are flat out falsehoods. Hamas' brand new charter states they don't see a two state deal as a permanent peace and that they still endorse terrorism.
And we'll talk in six months to see if Hamas actually stops terror or if this unity deal is just more bullshit to satisfy fake human rights advocates like you. If they actually give up on terror and support peace talks then I will happily commend them for being former terrorists.
Nonsense, Hamas' goal may be all the land, just as Likud's goal is the same, but they also clearly stated that they would accept the two state solution on 1967 borders.
That, at present, is more then Israel says right now.
No they didn't. They said that they would agree to a TEMPORARY cease fire in exchange for those borders. Their goal would be to use the opportunity to acquire better weapons and then resume their attack.
Both of those statements are flat out falsehoods. Hamas' brand new charter states they don't see a two state deal as a permanent peace and that they still endorse terrorism.
Talking about flat out falsehoods, please provide the quote in the Hamas' new charter that endorses terrorism.
And note that both of my statements were backed up by quotes, despite your opinion.
Talking about flat out falsehoods, please provide the quote in the Hamas' new charter that endorses terrorism.
And note that both of my statements were backed up by quotes, despite your opinion.
You may want to pretend that the text isn't about terrorism but everyone including Hamas knows "tools of the resistance" includes targeting civilians.
The resistance against the occupation, with all different tool or instruments, is a legal right legalized by religious, traditional or international law, and especially the armed resistance that is the strategic option to protect our principles and get back our rights.
Hamas refuses to hinder the resistance or its weapons, and confirms the right of our people to develop resistance tools and equipments. Hamas confirms that the resistance leadership can decide the level of resistance and can utilize a variety of the different tools and way to administrate the conflict, without compromising the resistance.
You may want to pretend that the text isn't about terrorism but everyone including Hamas knows "tools of the resistance" includes targeting civilians.
The resistance against the occupation, with all different tool or instruments, is a legal right legalized by religious, traditional or international law, and especially the armed resistance that is the strategic option to protect our principles and get back our rights.
Hamas refuses to hinder the resistance or its weapons, and confirms the right of our people to develop resistance tools and equipments. Hamas confirms that the resistance leadership can decide the level of resistance and can utilize a variety of the different tools and way to administrate the conflict, without compromising the resistance.
And how does that statement describe terrorism?
It just describes their right under the Geneva Conventions to defend themselves against an illegal occupation.
One more time you've been caught lying here on this board.
And how does that statement describe terrorism?...
And again look at you pretending what it means. And despite what Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups say, attacks on civilians are not a right under anything.
And again look at you pretending what it means. And despite what Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups say, attacks on civilians are not a right under anything.
Yup, you were caught lying again, there is nothing in the quote that says Hamas supports terrorism, as you claimed.
And I call out Israel more because they kill way more civilians then Hamas does.
Nobody, including Israel, has a right to attack civilians or to collectively put them in the world's largest prison.
