Ipsos Libs 38 PC 36 ....
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Especially the ones from China who don't speak any English or French, who are given the answers to the citizenship test in advance.
It was a completely valid and relevant question.
Without any comparisons, your declaration that Ipsos got 17% is absolutely meaningless.
I'm not sure why my question bothered you so. The only possible assumption would be that Ipsos did better than the other polling companies. Cool.
If YOU want to know the answer, YOU can do the research.
Do it! Do it now! Schnell!
I don't, and I won't.
The 17% accuracy of THAT Ipsos poll was sufficiently noteworthy that it was posted on wikipedia. The comparison of several public opinion polls from years ago is irrelevant to me.
I also don't care about the accuracy of the weather forecast for October 19, 1983.
The obvious conclusion as to why you are so reluctant to post the results of other polling companies is that the results clearly contradict the point you were trying to make. As such, I have no need to do any of my own research. You've provided me with the information I was asking about. Thank you.
If the other polls had 50% accuracy you'd be posting them in bold and enlarged font instead of your very defensive response. The comparison to other polls may be irrelevant to you but they are extremely relevant to people who want to rationally know what your number in a vacuum means. You are obviously trying to denigrate Ipsos' validity but without us knowing how they compare to other pollsters, you have failed.
This sounds like you're giving props to Ipsos for their 17% accuracy in results. That's not unlike a potato chip company boasting that their newly improved product causes 23% less anal leakage than the previous version.
What I posted:
"From wikipedia, re Ipsos:
Polling accuracy
During the 2021–2022 United States election cycle, in the last 21 days before each election, Ipsos polls only correctly predicted winners 17% of the time, according to a FiveThirtyEight analysis of elections for state governor, U.S. Senate, and House of Representatives."
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To obtain the information YOU wanted, all YOU had to do was go to wikipedia, search for Ipsos, scroll to the polling accuracy paragraph, then click on link #29, which would bring you to this page:
The Polls Were Historically Accurate In 2022
Let’s give a big round of applause to the pollsters. Measuring public opinion is, in many ways, harder than ever — and yet, the polling industry just had one of…
fivethirtyeight.com
At that point, you could have scrolled to the paragraph titled
The most and least accurate pollsters of 2021-22
and seen for yourself that, of the 33 pollsters listed, Ipsos was more accurate than only two others.
The obvious conclusion is that your foot is now in your mouth, again.
Thank you for my early evening dose of schadenfreude.
Not in the slightest. This is you being defensive again. I made no claims regarding Ipsos' efficiency. All I did was ask how they performed relative to others. Somehow this innocent question was a problem for you. That's on you, not me.
Not fair. He knows a few things, but definitely not nearly as much as he thinks he does.
A monkey slinging his poop at photographs of the candidates will correctly predict Senate, House and gubernatorial general elections at least 17% of the time within a 3.4% error percentage, nineteen times out of 20.
The fivethirtyeight chart in the link from post #46 is based on data since 1998. Ipsos hasn't been releasing US State election polls for all of that time, but a 17% success rate says to me that one ought to be skeptical about their skills in prognostication.
When I administered a pension plan for Teamsters some years ago, I was once speaking to a member from close to the Michigan border. He suggested that it might be a good idea for him to delay his unreduced early pension by a month, to increase the amount. I told him that the amount would increase by two dollars and three cents per month, but it would take him seventeen and a half years for that increase to be larger than the initial cheque. He said "Oh. I think limited, eh?".
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What a load of drivel!! The Canadians are flocking over to Carney for one main reason. He will be the right person to not only deal with Trump but steer the nation in the right path during this precarious time. Remember that the previous Harper administration pushed Canada at the bottom of the G7 Nations as far as the GDP growth was concerned. Since then we have had a Pandemic that shut down the economies of all Provinces for months, resulting in the Federal Government having to step up to the plate to the aid of these Canadians and with t he Blessings of the Provincial Premiers. Canada was not unique in this situation as all the G7 Nations and other Nations were slapped by the Pandemic, the Supply Chain Disruption and various other factors. Pee pee and Trump praised this FreeDumb Convoy that was holding the Ottawa residents as captives for over the month in anything other than a "Peaceful" demonstration, with their constant honking over t he 24 hour period. Many of these residents had to be temporarily laid off their jobs. Then they go and try to disrupt the Supply of Trade between Canada and USA causing the blockage of billions of dollars of goods on a daily basis. No wonder that a majority of Canadians supported the enactment of the Emergency Legislation and the charges against the Leaders of this FreeDumb as Hell Convoy!! Carney did a great job during the Harper era and it could have been worse if he was not around. No wonder that the UK Conservatives also appointed him as the Governor of the Bank of England. On the other hand Pee Pee has the same tone as Trump with the crap such as "Woke", "Radical Left", "Socialist" etc.!!
Carney deserves at least some of the debit for that push.
Lol If Carney is so great why is he copying Poilievre's ideas and taking credit for it? Carney says now he will remove the consumer carbon tax, he will cancel the capital gains tax hike, he will not charge GST on new home purchases for $1 million and less, and now wants to expand pipelines to the east? These were all things Poilievre proposed yet Carney steals his ideas and takes credit for it.
You forget that Carney was Trudeau's economic advisor for five years. What a disaster it has been. Not to mention that the cabinet are the same people that were in Trudeau's cabinet that supported all his destructive policies. Did you know that Carney is part of GFANZ? And he also is in favor of the Century Initiative? He also brought in a sleazeball like Mark Wiseman who one of the people who created the Century Initiative? This is the reason Toronto has a housing crisis. Their goal is to have 100 million people by 2100. To do that they need to bring in about 750,000 yearly. That is total madness. I assume you already own a home so you probably do not care. But young people will be in a hole. They ask why are rents so high? Why I cannot own a home? Why is food so expensive?
As for the Governor Bank of England, lol check out the Telegraph and listen to what the Brits say. He was a total disaster. Carney is like Trudeau, he made very low interest rates and printed lots of bills. This works to the benefit of the rich. It is one giant wealth transfer scheme. After 9 years of Trudeau, what makes you think it will be any different? Lol I mean come on. The cabinet are all the same people that were in Trudeau's cabinet that all supported his policies.
This is where you loose me completely. What the government did with covid was total madness. That is the perfect example of McCarthyism. In this day and age such paternalism should never happen. It was very destructive. Quebec had a curfew. Trudeau pushed the most for it. Had it not been for the truckers we would still be under covid mandates. No thanks. The government is not our grandma. Let society be free and live as they want without government authoritarianism. I will never forget what the Liberal government did. Then Trudeau used the Emergencies Act like a dictator. The use of the act was declared unconstitutional. Let this be the last time government ever does this. Look at how much inflation they caused with covid mandates. How about all the businesses that lost so much money and many that closed because of forced government covid mandates but government and corporations florished. What about all the supply chain disruptions caused by government covid mandates which forced people to take time off work for just having a cough and told to take a covid test? What about all the people that lost their jobs for not taking a vaccine? What happend to my body my choice? Wow amazing you think like this. This is supposed to be a democracy.
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Hell no. I will never vote for a Liberal again. I used to be a regular Liberal voter till Trudeau. Carney is Trudeau 2.0 on steroids. The whole cabinet in the party has to go. Way too much corruption. The party has veered too far to the left.
Ask yourself this how did Trudeau accumulated $25 million in assets during his 9 year tenure?
