Infertility testing and HIV immunity test?

Unlike HIV, gonorrhea & syphillus are easily cured.
You appear to have done some research on STD infection and spread so I am a little confused as to why you haven't come across information on drug resistance in regards to STDs other than HIV. Are you just trolling for a reaction from the board or do you really believe that as long as you don't contract HIV (and have a baby) there will be no long term ramifications for having unprotected sex? If you are truly interested in an answer to your original questions ask your family Dr., they can not only provide you with relevant medical information but the referrals you will need for any testing you decide to do.

Some related reading for you:
http://theweek.com/article/index/228976/incurable-gonorrhea-the-new-worldwide-epidemic
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/06/resistant-gonorrhea-who/
http://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/default.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19805553
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5387438...ug-resistant-syphilis-spreading/#.T-YmVbXY-YE
 

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If you are truly interested in an answer to your original questions ask your family Dr., they can not only provide you with relevant medical information but the referrals you will need for any testing you decide to do.
Thanks for the suggestion. I intend to do so this upcoming week. [BTW i noticed in the BC Health Guide the other day a remark about "Genetic screening & other genetic investigations" (p.425).] But if the doctor will know anything about this threads` topics remains to be seen, as i`ve recieved contradictory info from them before and, in one case, he didn`t even know something as basic as what a p24 antigen test for HIV was, let alone that it`s covered by BC Health Care.

You appear to have done some research on STD infection and spread so I am a little confused as to why you haven`t come across information on drug resistance in regards to STDs other than HIV.
I believe that i`ve already addressed this topic here:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...on-Thoughts-on-Multi-drug-Resistant-Gonorrhea
 

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Thanks for the info/opinion.



Unlike HIV, gonorrhea & syphillus are easily cured.



Speaking of SP's globally, or to a lesser extent even Canadian, i believe many (a significant percentage of) SP's are ok with BBFS. Based on my experiences and extensive reading of such threads on several forums.



I think a majority of SP's are willing, under the right circumstances, to provide BBFS to an SO or at least one client.

Getting a SP pregnant is not my "main concern", but still a concern. Some SP's often do not use any
form of birth control, or use only condoms, which are a rather poor means of preventing pregnancies
(similar to Coitus Interruptus/withdrawal).




According to the following article:

"Then there's the pesky matter of the few people who have gotten infected with HIV even though they're supposed to be immune. "It's extremely rare"..."

http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/01/66198?currentPage=2

BTW the HIV virus has been passed on in numerous instances inspite of consistent condom use.

Which raises the question of what provides more effective safety vs HIV, condoms, or immunity?

And if one is immune, by what percentage does it reduce the risk for HIV, compared to not being immune?

Consistent condom use reduces the risk for HIV by 85-90% relative to BBFS. So far from being "safe". Similarly, circumcision reduces the risk for HIV by 50-60% compared to BBFS, so it's also far from guaranteeing protection.

Ah so you're just a troll then
 

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Unlike HIV, gonorrhea & syphillus are easily cured.
But HPV, which causes 80% of cervical cancer, plays for keeps. 70% of cervical cancers are caused by HPV.

Speaking of SP's globally, or to a lesser extent even Canadian, i believe many (a significant percentage of) SP's are ok with BBFS. Based on my experiences and extensive reading of such threads on several forums. [...] I think a majority of SP's are willing, under the right circumstances, to provide BBFS to an SO or at least one client.
Yes, there are boards that discuss BBFS in Toronto but even those boards struggle to come up with consistent names of providers. I know a lot of women in the industry and I've never heard of anyone doing it in Toronto that is not internet hearsay (and its absolutely not a significant percentage IME). With an SO I've heard of it but don't kid yourself and think that you'd be "the only client" who engages in BBFS with her. Just like gossiping and cheating, I believe if someone does it with you, they'll do it to you.

BBFS is available in Europe I think? I've seen it advertised and discussed online at least.



Its really admirable that you're educating yourself on all the risks and are interested in taking your sex life into your own hands but let's call a spade a spade: you're looking for justifications to indulge in an adult activity carrying adult risks. There's nothing wrong with that, we're all making decisions along the same lines when we participate in this industry. Provided you find a completely willing partner and you've accepted your risks (and really, what you're talking about doesn't protect her any more than she can already protect herself), knock yourself out. I think you'll find it hard to find.
 

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But HPV, which causes 80% of cervical cancer, plays for keeps.
No worries there, as i am not a woman. As for herpes in general, again i have very little concern
about it in comparison to HIV, based on what i`ve read, such as the following:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?145839-Study-Shows-Half-of-Men-May-Have-HPV-Infections

Yes, there are boards that discuss BBFS in Toronto but even those boards struggle to come up with consistent names of providers.
The Canadian forums i`ve seen do not allow names to be posted, and rightly so IMO. Even if i knew
any names, i wouldn`t want to share them with the public.

I know a lot of women in the industry and I`ve never heard of anyone doing it in Toronto that is not internet hearsay
SP`s aren`t going to out themselves, though most comments i`ve seen admitted to a lot of requests for it. But it seems there are enough posters with high post counts who are saying it happens to have convinced me. How likely is it they are all lieing? BTW this is not even considering the low track types with whom there is little doubt that it is not an occasional practice.

(and its absolutely not a significant percentage IME). With an SO I`ve heard of it but don`t kid yourself and think that you`d be "the only client" who engages in BBFS with her. Just like gossiping and cheating, I believe if someone does it with you, they`ll do it to you.
If a client has a monogamous safe BBFS (SBBFS) agreement with an SP, it`s possible either party can cheat on the other, of course. The same could be said of any exclusive BF/GF or husband/wife situation. If one or the other cheated and ended up giving the other HIV, there could be hell to pay. IOW there could be dire consequences. But to avoid such a tragedy, this is why i recommend safety precautions, such as knowing the recent HIV status of your partner.


BBFS is available in Europe I think? I`ve seen it advertised and discussed online at least.
In Germany they even practice BBFS gangbangs with SP`s. If that doesn`t sound risky enough, from what i`ve read it seems that they are not taking any precautions to make this safer & don`t really care to.

Its really admirable that you`re educating yourself on all the risks and are interested in taking your sex life into your own hands but let`s call a spade a spade: you`re looking for justifications to indulge in an adult activity carrying adult risks. There`s nothing wrong with that, we`re all making decisions along the same lines when we participate in this industry.
I think of the risks hockey players take, with possibilities for concussions, a stick poking out an eye,
a blade cutting the jugular, early death, etc. They take their risks for money. We take risks with
SP`s for pleasure.


Provided you find a completely willing partner and you`ve accepted your risks (and really, what you`re talking about doesn`t protect her any more than she can already protect herself), knock yourself out. I think you`ll find it hard to find.
In Canada, perhaps. Overseas, not too difficult.
 

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Hey Lenny2, please post us the names you find so everyone here can avoid those SW's for safety.
 

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Hey Lenny2, please post us the names you find so everyone here can avoid those SW's for safety.
My comment spoke of the low track not SWs in general. Because HIV is so prevalent there I'd recommend staying off the skid row/cracktown of Vancouver and any similar areas anywhere else. Also it might be advisable to avoid any SW who shows signs of drug abuse or addiction, since they also are high risk candidates for engaging in unsafe BBFS (UBBFS) with many partners and being HIV positive.


Your comment regarding HPV shows that you have no concern for the health of the SPs you're seeing. You can pass it on to them.
You can pass it on, whether using a condom or not. As for my comment, it was only speaking
from the perspective of a man, in response to the original query asking why i (personally) do not
worry about other STIs, and in particular a comment about cervical cancer. The link i provided
has info on how women can protect themselves from HPV. Moreover i suggest people get tested
for HPV before having sex, rather than after their partner gives it to them. Then, hopefully, they
can be honest with each other or see each other's test results.

this guy lenny is on perb too he was trolling with the same subject!
What subject would that be? Infertility & immunity testing? STIs? BBFS? It wasn't me that raised the subject of BBFS in this thread with the title "Infertility testing and HIV immunity test?"

What about all the other STI's out there including drug resistant strains. Grow-up.
What about them? Educate yourself, have fun & be safe.
 
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If you are truly interested in an answer to your original questions ask your family Dr., they can not only provide you with relevant medical information but the referrals you will need for any testing you decide to do.

I visited a medical doctor today, a young woman of Asian origin, at a walk in clinic. She told me
there is no HIV immunity except in those born in Africa, and of them only about 2 in a million.

Conclusion: she has no clue.

Conclusion 2: my own research is more reliable.

P.S. i'll get a second opinion, for educational & entertainment purposes.

And post my own completed research on where HIV immunity testing is available, when i have time.
 
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How unlikely would you say? This opinion alleges:

"14% to 18% of certain northern populations of Eurasian descent are immune to HIV/AIDS, Smallpox, West Nile Virus, and possibly Acute Leukemia, Cystic Fibrosis, Sickle Cell Anemia, Diabetes, and Hemophilia"

http://inspiredcreativity.deviantart...nity-178626120
You're seriously trusting an "opinion" in a blog over your family doctor. I'm offended on her behalf.

I don't know much about that particular blog, but I don't trust it as it begins by lumping talking about immunity to HIV with talking about immunity to non-infectious diseases to which the discussion of immunity is not applicable. Specifically: acute leukemia (which is a catch all for a number of totally different blood cancers), cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, hemophilia (these three are genetic inherited conditions), and Diabetes (there are multiple types again, the immune type I, the multifactorial type II and gestational, and the nephrogenic insipidus and central insipidus tha can be caused by drugs, toxins, trauma and other causes).


"Around 1% of Northern Europeans are virtually immune to HIV with Swedish people being most likely to remain uninfected. These highly HIV resistant individuals all possess a pair of mutated genes (1 per chromosome) that prevent the developement of the CCR5 cellular receptor that the HIV virus uses to infiltrate the cell. This genetric trait msut be inherited from both parents to have the most effect (homozygous). Inheriting the mutated gene from one parent provides some resistance but it is comparatively weaker (heterozygous). 10 -15% of Northern Europeans have this lesser immunity. By using molecular clocks, this genetic mutation dates back to the middle ages."

"Other ethnic groups possess lesser HIV resistance due to increased copies of the gene CCL3L1."

http://darwinslegacy.blogspot.ca/200...ty-to-hiv.html
Using their numbers for %heterozygous it means that if you're northern European there's a 10% one of your parents has the allele, from this we get that there's a 1% that both your parents have it. That gives you a 0.25% of getting both alleles, ie being homozygous.

But pharmaceuticals are trying to target the CCR5 receptor, but the drugs haven't come into market because HIV virus can bypass the receptor and get into the cell through a co-receptor or change their afinnity to the receptor to overcome blocking it. Which means some homozygous will still get infected.

There is no commercially available testing in Canada, and OHIP will not reimburse you for getting it tested elsewhere. Not sure that you can't get it tested anywhere in the world, but it's unlikely that it's easy to find. Testing for this is mostly confined to research labs. And testing is only affordable when it can be produced in large scale, which it hasn't.

But to correct the people who say that being immune doesn't mean that you can't spread it that is incorrect. If you are truly immune it means you can't get it, and thus you can't spread it. This should not be confused with people who sometimes are carriers of a infectious disease but just don't get sick from it. They can spread it, just their body tolerates it.

But at the end one cannot hammer the point enough that one should not forget that HIV is not the only STI.

Herpes in incurable, and it's not just annoying blisters, in can spread to other organs and be fatal. It also can cause birth defects.

HPV is not curable, there are multiple subtypes and the ones that causes the warts are not the primary ones that causes cancers, so you can spread a cancer causing agent without knowing you have it. And it's not just cervical cancer, it's also anal cancer, penile cancer, throat cancer, and esophageal cancer.

More people are now dying of Hep C than HIV. There's no vaccine for Hep C and we don't have good cures. There are 4 subtypes and your chance of cure working is ranges from 15%-85% depending for many factors, but for most it's only about 50%. It's two medications a day in pill form and a weekly shot, side effects are close to chemotherapy, and treatment can go on for a year.

Gonerrhea and chlamydia may not cause symptoms at first, so you don't get cured, and may lead to infertility down the road. Can cause chronic prostate infection that is hard to cure because antibiotics don't penetrate the prostate well, women can get life threatening pelvic inflammatory disease.

Syphilis may go unrecognized at first, not treated, and then develop into a life threatening condition or one that leaves you permanently disabled.

And let's not forget that with our societies rampant use of antibiotics and antimicrobial left and right, were are getting resistant strains of everything. So your curable STI may end up being not so curable.
 
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