incalls in hotels--is this illegal
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It is a Bawdy House which is illegal. Take a gander at the Criminal Code which is available on line.peyton said:
I'd have to see what if anything courts in Ontario have said on this. On its face I think applying §201 seems a bit of a stretch.Sukdeep said:
IT has to be "regularly used" So if provider changes hotel or room frequently might avoid.
Extensive info on Canadian law at
http://www.sexwork.com/montreal/law.html
Extensive info on Canadian law at
http://www.sexwork.com/montreal/law.html
I agree with this. The issue is how frequently the room needs to be changed. It's arguable that if it's a generally available hotel room, even if the girl uses it for calls for two or three days in a row, it is still not "habitually used" for the purposes of prostitution and therefore not a bawdy house.Dave in Phoenix said:
My annotated Criminal Code cites the case of McLellan in which prostitutes were observed to have brought customers back to a certain floor of a certain hotel over 100 times in a 2 week period. The hotel was found to be a bawdy house.
The wisest words ever said on this tired topic. May I add: Not only must you be caught, a court (and not a buncha TERBarristers) must say it is illegal, based on the evidence and their interpretation of the law in its current state of development.Esco! said:
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Unfortunately, the courts have never ruled for how long an SP can work out of one hotel room (or any one place for that matter) for that place to be considered a "common bawdy house". They have ruled, however, that it must be for more than one day; they just haven't ruled for exactly how many more days. So if the SP is renting the room for only one day, you can be assured that it's completely legal.
There are some places in Canada, however (Windsor is one), where incalls are prohibited under local by-laws.
There are some places in Canada, however (Windsor is one), where incalls are prohibited under local by-laws.
If you habitually invite your 'friends' over for dinner and, charge them money, the bylaw boys will get you for running an illegal restaurant. If if you're inviting them over for a sausage fest and to dine at the Y, it won't be the bylaw boys, but the criminal code-keeping cops.Mr. Lucky said:
Like Esco! it's illegal if you get caught. In York they've decided no wee mousie, no matter how small will go uncaught. In other places, they look the other way. Both places are enforcing the same law.
No incalls are legal, period, whether you get caught or not. The guys who are trying to interpret the law by saying regularly used, etc... are really stretching it and hoping they can get away with it, but no such luck. Now, with that said, it's quite a process to be charged. If you don't know the routine, get informed, if not, you get what you deserve. I must also point out that ladies increase the chances of being staked by LE if any neighbour complains to LE, so be smart and don't draw attention. If you keep a low profile, stay under the radar, and have no issues with neighbours, you have a much higher chance of being left alone, albeit it's still illegal.HafDun said:
Wrong. This isn't a massage parlour or an indie massage operation which comes under city bylaws. There are no bylaw officers walking the streets looking to slap an infraction for prostitution, that comes under the criminal code.HafDun said:
Whats this, "its illegal only if you get caught" 
Thats not true, either somethings legal or its not. People have killed other people before and never been caught but that doesn't mean they did not break the law.
It does seem like with many companys in Toronto offering InCalls, the police could careless but then you see time to time, them going after somebody.
Seems not right or fair.
Thats not true, either somethings legal or its not. People have killed other people before and never been caught but that doesn't mean they did not break the law.
It does seem like with many companys in Toronto offering InCalls, the police could careless but then you see time to time, them going after somebody.
Seems not right or fair.
Sorry, pal, but you are talking through your hat!Mia.Colpa said:
"Frequent and habitual use" are essential elements of the definition of a bawdy house.
For example, an SP that rents a hotel room for a single client commits no offence... nor does the client if he rents the room.
How many clients over how many days consitutes "frequent and habitual," is a much more difficult question.
Perry
It's not legal. But, did you ever turn yourself in for going 5mph over the limit? That's not legal either.
There has to be a political will for the police to allocate the resources to going after prostitution, otherwise it seems like it is only done on a complaint basis.
Keep a low profile in a high traffic area and you should be okay. I've talked about this with an agency owner in the past.
You'd have to be stupid to think that LE doesn't monitor boards like terb and couldn't shut down the majority of the high profile agencies in less time than it takes to type this message, they are turning a blind eye.
The political climate could change in the future, so let's just enjoy what we have right now. Every Municipal Election time in Niagara the police target the clubs, but leave them alone most of the rest of the time.
There has to be a political will for the police to allocate the resources to going after prostitution, otherwise it seems like it is only done on a complaint basis.
Keep a low profile in a high traffic area and you should be okay. I've talked about this with an agency owner in the past.
You'd have to be stupid to think that LE doesn't monitor boards like terb and couldn't shut down the majority of the high profile agencies in less time than it takes to type this message, they are turning a blind eye.
The political climate could change in the future, so let's just enjoy what we have right now. Every Municipal Election time in Niagara the police target the clubs, but leave them alone most of the rest of the time.
No you are wrong, incalls are in a grey area for the reasons mentioned above by Perry Mason.S.C. Joe said:
Just like jaywalking is illegal, when's the last time you got a ticket for that???
For the most part cops dont care and have better things to do.
Exactly!DistantVoyeur said:
Cops dont wanna waste valuable resources, time and manpower on a "victimless" crime
(unless minors are involved).
Now where the fuck did you come out from?sun90 said:
Edit: Oooops... sorry... I just looked at your other posts. You are Borat Sagdiyev writing anonymously, right?
Perry
