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Funny because BDS doesn't promote any peace plan and you sure do a hell of a lot of justification for violence when you routinely describe Palestinian attacks on civilians as "self defence".
BDS promotes the end of apartheid and institution of full equal rights.
That is a peace plan.

You just won't accept the end of apartheid or equal rights.
 

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BDS promotes the end of apartheid and institution of full equal rights.
That is a peace plan.

You just won't accept the end of apartheid or equal rights.
Except they don't. Unlike you, they don't demand a peace deal where Palestinians are forced against their will into equality with Jews.

That's explicitly why many Western democracies have called BDS counterproductive and a home for racists like you.
 

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Yes, when the IDF kills 11 and injures 100 that is an attack, that's not a police mission, ...
Yes. Especially when 10 of the 11 killed were claimed as armed fighters by their own terror factions who celebrated that they shot at Israelis. The 11th was an old man who died of heart failure.

When members of armed factions (who Canada considers designated terrorist entities) shoot at police trying to arrest another suspected terrorist, the police are fully entitled to shoot back. That's an actual example of self defence (unlike when you use the term, to describe shooting randomly at Jews).
 

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Except they don't. Unlike you, they don't demand a peace deal where Palestinians are forced against their will into equality with Jews.

That's explicitly why many Western democracies have called BDS counterproductive and a home for racists like you.
You're against:

BDS
Going to the ICC
enforcing UN resolutions
Signing the NPT
Peaceful protests
armed resistance based on the right to self defence

The only thing you will accept from Palestinians is subjugation and apartheid compliance.
 

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Yes. Especially when 10 of the 11 killed were claimed as armed fighters by their own terror factions who celebrated that they shot at Israelis. The 11th was an old man who died of heart failure.

When members of armed factions (who Canada considers designated terrorist entities) shoot at police trying to arrest another suspected terrorist, the police are fully entitled to shoot back. That's an actual example of self defence (unlike when you use the term, to describe shooting randomly at Jews).
You are against Palestinians having the right to self defence and using it in an armed resistance but are also against every single peaceful venue towards a resolution.
The occupying power does not have the right to assassinate people for resisting the occupation.
Palestinians do have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation.

I support BDS instead of the violence you push.
You have nothing else to offer but violence, you should not be surprised when Palestinians respond to the violence you push with their own violence.

You should join me in supporting the best, non-violent end to apartheid.

 

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You're against:

BDS
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Yes, because BDS doesn't advocate peace.

I'm also against people demanding that Palestinians get forced into a One State solution they detest and against people who think violence is the best path forward.
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I am for pushing both sides to negotiate a peace deal.
 

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You are against Palestinians having the right to self defence and using it in an armed resistance but are also against every single peaceful venue towards a resolution.
The occupying power does not have the right to assassinate people for resisting the occupation.
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Yes, Palestinians can choose to attack military arrest teams. Where your argument falls apart is claiming Israeli troops aren't allowed to shoot back.

Yes, Palestinians can choose to attack random Jewish civilians but that is terrorism, not self defence like you keep claiming.



p.s. Fucking dumb that you pretend to be against violence while supporting the 'right' of Palestinians to attack Jews.
 

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I am for pushing both sides to negotiate a peace deal.
There have been no peace talks for a decade and Israel's government has stated there will be none in the near future.
You don't call out Israel for refusing to discuss peace, continue to steal land and rule through apartheid.

Yes, because BDS doesn't advocate peace.
BDS advocates equal rights through the end of apartheid.
That will lead to peace.

Happy Israeli Apartheid Week.
 

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Yes, Palestinians can choose to attack military arrest teams. Where your argument falls apart is claiming Israeli troops aren't allowed to shoot back.
The IDF cannot shoot at civilians, as they clearly did in Jenin.
You call that terrorism when Palestinians do it but 'justice' when the IDF does it.

Where your argument falls apart is you think Israel is justified in killing people who resist an illegal occupation.

“None of this violence would occur if Israel were to end its illegal, half-century old occupation immediately and unconditionally as required by international law,” they said.
 

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The IDF cannot shoot at civilians, as they clearly did in Jenin.
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Bullshit. The 'civilians' who were killed were all members of groups Canada designates as terrorists (except the old guy who had a heart attack) and their terrorist groups proudly described their attacks on the arrest team.

It's amazing that you keep trying to claim that Jews simply being in the West Bank makes them valid targets while also saying that Palestinians who shoot at Israelis are protected by international law.
 

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BDS advocates equal rights through the end of apartheid.
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Bullshit. BDS is against a One State peace (as are the vast majority of Palestinians).

You'll say I'm lying but I challenge you to find a statement from BDS promoting an egalitarian single state for both Jews and Arabs.
 

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Bullshit. The 'civilians' who were killed were all members of groups Canada designates as terrorists (except the old guy who had a heart attack) and their terrorist groups proudly described their attacks on the arrest team.

It's amazing that you keep trying to claim that Jews simply being in the West Bank makes them valid targets while also saying that Palestinians who shoot at Israelis are protected by international law.
No, the Lion's Den are not designated as terrorists. They are just Palestinian resistance to an illegal occupation.
Take the word of the UN.

“We recall once again that Israel, as long as it remains the occupying Power, has an obligation to ensure the protection, security and welfare of the Palestinian people living under its occupation,” the experts said.

“What we see is the contrary. Dehumanisation, demonisation and collective punishment of Palestinians, the latter of which is specifically prohibited under international humanitarian law and constitutes a war crime,” they said.

“We urge the international community to react without delay and take action as recommended by international law including the UN Charter,” the UN experts said. “This remains the only possible course of action to end the relentless violence, abuses and impunity, and to start to pave the way to a better future for Palestinians and Israelis.”


What you support are Death Squads.
 

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Bullshit. BDS is against a One State peace (as are the vast majority of Palestinians).

You'll say I'm lying but I challenge you to find a statement from BDS promoting an egalitarian single state for both Jews and Arabs.
Bullshit, where does BDS say they are against a one state solution?
Prove your own claim.

Whatever, the apartheid reports are out and sympathy is moving towards Palestinians.
Israel had 53 years to fix their own problems, now BDS and the international community will have to take it on.

Democrats sympathize more with Palestinians than Israelis, for the first time
Americans' views on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict have become more polarized, Gallup reveals; 11-percentage-point jump in Democratic sympathy toward Palestinians while republicans still favor Israel


Really, this article, though I'm sure you'd never read it, nails your problems.
You're so busy trying to shut down discussion of apartheid you can't even take the time to speak out against the blatant fascism being proposed in Israel.


Now you've got Jews around the world calling for BDS on Netanyahu for his fascism. Only problem is that means that they support BDS as a tactic for change.
Whoops.


 

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Ex-Marine Shot in Terrorist Attack in Israel, Returns Fire
"He is a firearms instructor, and trained people exactly for these moments."



The Taylor Force Act, which banned further funding to the PLO until it stops paying terrorists to kill, was named after Taylor Force, a former Army officer who was stabbed to death in Jerusalem, whose family is now suing the Biden administration for violating the law by providing “aid” to the terrorists.

Yesterday, David Stern, a former marine, was shot in Hawara alongside his wife Rachel Stern.

Hawara is an Arab Muslim terror village where recently two young men were shot and killed while waiting in traffic.

“Every day, yes! – every single day – at least 20 Jewish cars get stoned while driving through Hawara,” Shmuel Sackett, the head of a tree-planting foundation, wrote.
1,600 Israeli Jewish families have to travel the road that goes through the village. Stoning cars, he clarified, means “throwing bricks and dropping cinder blocks from rooftops.”
If the name Hawara or Huwara rings a bell though it’s more likely because of all the ‘outrage’ directed not at the murders, but because some local Jewish residents protested and a few set fire to some junk cars.

How much outrage will there be at this latest shooting?

David Stern, a Krav Maga self-defense instructor and trainer for first-responder security teams, was shot in the head Sunday afternoon when an Arab terrorist approached his car and opened fire at point-blank range with a Carlo-style submachine gun.
The victims, both dual American-Israeli citizens, are 44-year-old David Stern and his wife, 37-year-old Rachel Stern, residents of the Givat Ronen neighborhood in the town of Itamar, north of Huwara, the site of the attack.
Stern, a former U.S. Marine, returned fire at his attacker and managed to hit him. Doctors at the hospital described Stren surviving a “miracle” as he sustained impact to the head.
About 20 bullets were fired at the vehicle by the attacker and from it by Stern who returned fire. Footage from the scene shows the windshield of the vehicle spattered with bullet holes.
Stern’s friend said that he was a “skilled and cool-headed fighter”, a former Marine who they consider a “legend.”
They said: “He is a firearms instructor, and trained people exactly for these moments.”
“I’ve known the injured man for man years. He’s a dear friend, a professional fighter and level-headed,” Religious Zionist Party MK Tzvi Sukkot said in a statement.
“After a direct attack, he managed to return fire, hit the terrorist and take care of himself. A miracle has happened here!”
Samaria Regional Council head Yossi Dagan stated, “This resident is a true Jewish hero, the glory of the settlement in Samaria, who protected his wife with his own body; a martial arts man, a security man and an educator. While the armed terrorist was shooting at him on the main road and he was wounded in the head by the gunshot, he pulled out his weapon and fired back. With his resourcefulness, he saved his life and that of his wife – a hero of Israel, a hero of Samaria.”
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he was praying for the “wounded hero” who succeeded in shooting the terrorist attacker, adding: “Whoever tries to harm Israeli citizens — will bear the responsibility.”
If you’re a member of a synagogue whose rabbi delivered a lecture condemning the Hawara protest, I recommend you ask your clergymember to speak about the murder of Elan Ganeles, an American recently killed by terrorists in Israel, and the shooting of David Stern.

The Biden administration has demanded that Israel investigate the death of terrorist propagandist
Shireen Abu Akleh from the Al Jazeera terror network.

There should be an investigation of the PLO funding of the shooter who attacked David Stern and his wife.

Ex-Marine Shot in Terrorist Attack in Israel, Returns Fire | Frontpage Mag
 
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Frankfooter

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If the name Hawara or Huwara rings a bell though it’s more likely because of all the ‘outrage’ directed not at the murders, but because some local Jewish residents protested and a few set fire to some junk cars.
1 dead, 350 injured, 50 houses burnt down and 100 cars.
And you call that a 'protest'?
Israelis call it a pogrom.



The attack you posted was terrorism, but its no different from the Israeli terrorism that started this round at Huwara and no different from the calls for genocide from the Israeli government.

 

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Bullshit, where does BDS say they are against a one state solution?
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Wow. What a stupid argument. You want proof of them not supporting something?

In the real world, you need evidence to make an assertion. You claimed that BDS endorses a peace plan where all Israelis and Palestinians have equal rights, commonly referred to as a One State Solution. Do you have any evidence for that made up claim? Of course not because like them, you have no interest in peace or human rights. Fact is Palestinians (and BDS) hate the idea of equality with Jews, not that you care about the opinions of Palestinians.

Most humans know that the solution to violence is negotiated peace, not the more violence that you (and sadly 51% of Palestinians) endorse.



And you can stop pretending you care about Israeli democracy as you have made it clear that you simply want Israel removed.
 

Frankfooter

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Wow. What a stupid argument. You want proof of them not supporting something?

In the real world, you need evidence to make an assertion. You claimed that BDS endorses a peace plan where all Israelis and Palestinians have equal rights, commonly referred to as a One State Solution. Do you have any evidence for that made up claim? Of course not because like them, you have no interest in peace or human rights. Fact is Palestinians (and BDS) hate the idea of equality with Jews, not that you care about the opinions of Palestinians.

Most humans know that the solution to violence is negotiated peace, not the more violence that you (and sadly 51% of Palestinians) endorse.



And you can stop pretending you care about Israeli democracy as you have made it clear that you simply want Israel removed.
They say they support equal rights and the end of apartheid.
I say that will likely lead to the one state solution.

Most humans know that you can't negotiate an end to a military occupation, certainly not one where the occupier continues to steal the land of the occupied.

You've got nothing left.
You are against equal rights.
You support apartheid.
Jews are supporting boycotting Israel.
Dems now favour Palestinians.
The Israeli government you support are in the process of going full on fascist.

BDS is the best option towards a non-violent resolution.
You should support equal rights and BDS, not apartheid.
 

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They say they support equal rights and the end of apartheid.
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They do not support an egalitarian One State peace. If that is what they wanted, they would say it.

Like the Palestinian people, BDS does not support Jews and Arabs living equally together. That is why many Western Democracies have condemned them.
Thankfully the Palestinians have elitists like you to tell them what they should do.


p.s. if you actually supported peace, you'd actually say something about Palestinian leadership and the 51% of Palestinians who think violence is the best way forward.
 

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Like the Palestinian people, BDS does not support Jews and Arabs living equally together.
Wow, your hate and lying is really going way, way over the top, basketcase.

What does BDS aim to achieve? Does it call for a one state or a two state solution?
The BDS movement aims to pressure Israel to respect international law by:
1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.
2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality.
3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.
These are three basic rights without which the Palestinian people cannot exercise its inalienable right to self-determination.
The BDS movement does not advocate for a particular solution to the conflict and does not call for either a “one state solution” or a “two state solution”. Instead, BDS focuses on the realization of basic rights and the implementation of international law.

You're so deep in your hatred that you think its antisemitic to call for equal rights and the end of apartheid, as if you think you need to support apartheid to support the Jewish people.
 
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