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John_Jacob

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No, I've said that Hamas and Palestinians have a right to self defence from an illegal occupation but that targeting civilians is a war crime.
Doubt it. I think you're chuckling with glee that jews are being targeted. Eventually you'll say the quiet part out loud.
 

Frankfooter

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Again, Hamas and Palis put their own people in danger. This is what you support. I'm unsure why you're crying about Hamas tactics
Bullshit, Israel walled the people of Gaza into a prison, are withholding water, food and power and now bombing them where ever they hide.
Apartheid is Israel's choice
The occupation is Israel's choice
Bombing Gaza is Israel's choice
Genocide is Israel's choice.

 

Frankfooter

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Doubt it. I think you're chuckling with glee that jews are being targeted. Eventually you'll say the quiet part out loud.
I've already heard the Israel supporters call for genocide, call Palestinians 'cockroach' and declare support for apartheid.
You wanna join the party?

Do you back apartheid?
Do you support genocide?

Can you answer those questions?
 

Not getting younger

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Gaza is the size of Montreal.
Can you imagine if someone dropped 6000 bombs in one night on Montreal?

Frank can’t imagine why someone would respond to thousands of rockets coming out of Montreal.

Doesn’t think they should either apparently.
Maybe we should remind Frank of a thing called the FLQ and the consequences for their actions. Which were nothing compared to thousands of rockets.
 

Frankfooter

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Frank can’t imagine why someone would respond to thousands of rockets coming out of Montreal.

Doesn’t think they should either apparently.
Maybe we should remind Frank of a thing called the FLQ and the consequences for their actions. Which were nothing compared to thousands of rockets.
old guy, why do you refuse to acknowledge that the 54 year old occupation, apartheid rule, 17 year blockade and mass settler terrorist attacks might have had something to do with Hamas attacking?

Why is this not a problem to you?

Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court – Genocide
Article 6(c): Deliberately inflicting on a group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

  • Imposition of a complete siege of the Gaza Strip, totally depriving Gazans of electricity, food and fuel, and tightening even more the existing 16-year-old blockade thereof.[1]
Article 25(3)(c): For the purpose of facilitating the commission of such a crime, aids, abets or otherwise assists in its commission or its attempted commission, including providing the means for its commission
  • Israel purchases 10,000 riffles for Israeli settlers[2]
Article 25(3)(e): Directly and publicly Incites others to commit genocide
  • “We are fighting human animals, and we act accordingly” (Israel’s Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant)[3]
War crimes – Grave breaches of the Wilful killings of the 1949 Geneva Conventions
Article 8(2)(a)(i): Wilful killing

  • Israel’s targeting of the “Shaban family home, killing all six members, two parents and their children”.[4]
Article 8(2)(a)(ii); Torture and inhuman treatment
  • Severe psychological suffering inflicted on Palestinians who, every night, without electricity, fear for their life as bombings continue[5]
Article 8(2)(a)(iii): Wilfully causing great suffering and serious injury to body and health
  • Combined effect of the partial blockade, the total block of Gaza and the war on the mental health of children: “children who survive wars do not emerge unscathed and can pay a high price psychologically, emotionally, or behaviourally”, including “symptoms of anxiety, depression and trauma”.[6] These traumas can go as far as “lack of interest in everyday life” and “nightmares are frequently experienced”, as well as bed-wetting.[7] In 2022, concerns were raised on the ability of children to cope with this situation and the rising number of suicidal thoughts.[8] While these patterns have been noticed and documented after the May 2021 Israeli military offensive against the Gaza Strip but before the one that arose on 7 October, they are still relevant for the purpose of this material. Indeed, this attack is far more devastating than the precedent, as the Palestinian death toll reaches now 1,900 Palestinians.[9]
Article 8(2)(a)(iv): Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly
  • From 7 to 12 October 2023, “Israeli raids have destroyed thousands of housing units, and private and public properties”[10]
Article 8(2)(a)(vii): Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement
  • 423,00 Palestinians “forced to flee their homes in Gaza due to the continuous and heavy indiscriminate Israeli strikes”. Subsequently, on 13 October 2023, Israel ordered the evacuation of “1,1 million Palestinians in Gaza”. [11]
Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law
Article 8(2)(b)(i)): Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities

  • Entire families targeted and under the rubble: “[t]he Abou Dan family was holed up at home, in the Bureij camp in the center of the enclave. Everyone kept checking their phones to make sure that no message had been sent from the Israeli army telling them to evacuate their home. “There was no warning shot, no text message, nothing. All of a sudden, a bomb fell, then two,” said Ahmed Abou Dan over the phone”.[12]
 

Not getting younger

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old guy, why do you refuse to acknowledge that the 54 year old occupation, apartheid rule, 17 year blockade and mass settler terrorist attacks might have had something to do with Hamas attacking?

Why is this not a problem to you?

Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court – Genocide
Article 6(c): Deliberately inflicting on a group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

  • Imposition of a complete siege of the Gaza Strip, totally depriving Gazans of electricity, food and fuel, and tightening even more the existing 16-year-old blockade thereof.[1]
Article 25(3)(c): For the purpose of facilitating the commission of such a crime, aids, abets or otherwise assists in its commission or its attempted commission, including providing the means for its commission
  • Israel purchases 10,000 riffles for Israeli settlers[2]
Article 25(3)(e): Directly and publicly Incites others to commit genocide
  • “We are fighting human animals, and we act accordingly” (Israel’s Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant)[3]
War crimes – Grave breaches of the Wilful killings of the 1949 Geneva Conventions
Article 8(2)(a)(i): Wilful killing

  • Israel’s targeting of the “Shaban family home, killing all six members, two parents and their children”.[4]
Article 8(2)(a)(ii); Torture and inhuman treatment
  • Severe psychological suffering inflicted on Palestinians who, every night, without electricity, fear for their life as bombings continue[5]
Article 8(2)(a)(iii): Wilfully causing great suffering and serious injury to body and health
  • Combined effect of the partial blockade, the total block of Gaza and the war on the mental health of children: “children who survive wars do not emerge unscathed and can pay a high price psychologically, emotionally, or behaviourally”, including “symptoms of anxiety, depression and trauma”.[6] These traumas can go as far as “lack of interest in everyday life” and “nightmares are frequently experienced”, as well as bed-wetting.[7] In 2022, concerns were raised on the ability of children to cope with this situation and the rising number of suicidal thoughts.[8] While these patterns have been noticed and documented after the May 2021 Israeli military offensive against the Gaza Strip but before the one that arose on 7 October, they are still relevant for the purpose of this material. Indeed, this attack is far more devastating than the precedent, as the Palestinian death toll reaches now 1,900 Palestinians.[9]
Article 8(2)(a)(iv): Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly
  • From 7 to 12 October 2023, “Israeli raids have destroyed thousands of housing units, and private and public properties”[10]
Article 8(2)(a)(vii): Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement
  • 423,00 Palestinians “forced to flee their homes in Gaza due to the continuous and heavy indiscriminate Israeli strikes”. Subsequently, on 13 October 2023, Israel ordered the evacuation of “1,1 million Palestinians in Gaza”. [11]
Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law
Article 8(2)(b)(i)): Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities

  • Entire families targeted and under the rubble: “[t]he Abou Dan family was holed up at home, in the Bureij camp in the center of the enclave. Everyone kept checking their phones to make sure that no message had been sent from the Israeli army telling them to evacuate their home. “There was no warning shot, no text message, nothing. All of a sudden, a bomb fell, then two,” said Ahmed Abou Dan over the phone”.[12]
Adolescent, trapped in a man’s body and mind has trouble with reality. Never mind dozens of other times you just don’t see whether words or pictures. You are as closed and narrow minded as anyone, and incapable of anyone I’ve ever had the misfortune of sharing a room with.

You can’t grasp. Repeat this You can’t grasp. And I’ll quote you.


Apartheid is Israel's RESPONSE to bloodshed, terrorist attacks and Oslo.

The occupation is Israel's RESPONSE to 1967 and OSLO and BLOODSHED breaking peace twice

Bombing Gaza is Israel's RESPONSE to a brutal planned TERRORIST ATTACK that thankfully wasn’t as successful as planned

Genocide is Israel's choice, its HAMAS and others goal too.

Deal with it Frank.
 
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Frankfooter

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Apartheid is Israel's RESPONSE to bloodshed, terrorist attacks and Oslo.
The occupation is Israel's RESPONSE to 1967 and OSLO and BLOODSHED breaking peace twice
Bombing Gaza is Israel's RESPONSE to a brutal planned TERRORIST ATTACK that thankfully wasn’t as successful as planned
Genocide is Israel's choice, its HAMAS and others goal too.

Deal with it Frank.
I choose not to support a country that chooses apartheid and genocide to try to control the indigenous population.
You are choosing to support apartheid and genocide.

You chose.
Deal with it.

Civil Defence: Over 1,000 Palestinians missing under rubble
Over 1,000 Palestinians are missing under the rubble in buildings bombed by Israel in Gaza, the Palestinian Civil Defence team said today in a statement.


 

basketcase

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No, the MSM does not post these numbers every single day. You're bullshitting.
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Maybe you should try reading the news instead of sticking to your ridiculous social media bubble.

We all know your real complain is mainstream news reported on the Hamas atrocities in their attacks on Israeli towns.
 

basketcase

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Nope, you're bullshitting again.
Prove it.
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If you don't want to stand by your record, you could clear it up by unambiguously answering; do you think Hamas firing thousands of unguided rockets towards Israeli population centers has any justification?


p.s. I know what the rights groups you pretend to respect say about them.
 

basketcase

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basketcase

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Thanks for proving how full of shit you and your hate campaign are.

Or are you still trying to pretend Israelis can't be considered civilians?
 

basketcase

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I'm very sure that there will be more killing by Israel.
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I have no problem criticizing Israel for not taking as much care to prevent civilian deaths. Unlike you, I also have no problem criticizing Hamas for basing their infrastructure inside civilian populations and for blocking Gazan's fleeing to the south.

I also strongly condemn Hamas for their racist terrorism that instigated this round of fighting, something you refuse to do.
 

Robert Mugabe

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I choose not to support a country that chooses apartheid and genocide to try to control the indigenous population.
You are choosing to support apartheid and genocide.

You chose.
Deal with it.

Civil Defence: Over 1,000 Palestinians missing under rubble
Over 1,000 Palestinians are missing under the rubble in buildings bombed by Israel in Gaza, the Palestinian Civil Defence team said today in a statement.


Why don't you go over there and help?
 

basketcase

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...s are particularly incompetent so this is no surprise.
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How wrong you are.

Hamas are quite competent. The problem is they are motivated by killing as many Jews as possible and tactically see deaths of Palestinian civilians as a propaganda victory.
 

Frankfooter

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Thanks for proving how full of shit you and your hate campaign are.

Or are you still trying to pretend Israelis can't be considered civilians?
I'll say what I say here every day.
Take the leaders of Hamas and Israel to the Hague and put them on trial for all war crimes.
If you think both sides should now be charged with genocide, I'll back you.
But don't forget to add apartheid and the occupation to the bill.
What's that? You don't support the ICC any more?
 

basketcase

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Which still means that the vast majority of the civilized world believes that Hamas are the terrorist.

Independent Jewish Voices Canada - Wikipedia

IJV is an expression of alternative Jewish voices. Not mainstream.
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And even still, Franky has this amazing ability to warp what his token Jews say because the statement clearly condemns attacks targeting civilians which is exactly what Hamas planned.


Of course Franky doesn't even believe the Hamas propaganda videos that show them practicing going door to door killing imaginary civilians in their custom built kibbutz training site.
 
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