Al gore would have had 2 terms. There would have been no occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq saving trillions of dollars, the 2008 housing crisis may have been adverted. Hillary would have been impeached no matter what for her handling of trumpvirus but hundreds of thousands less would have died. Nobody would know what anifa and qanon was. America would be running at a surplus like Russia rather than several trillions in debt and Trump would resume his post as a towel boy in the WWE. The destruction of America is primarily due to a hundreds of years old slave trader racist 3/5 rule that is as outdated as American gun laws. Why should a free country award an extra 3/5 vote for former slave owners when slavery was abolished over 150 years ago ? Why do they have gun laws from 250 years ago? The inability to update laws to reflect a modern world is what caused the American empire to crumble
Imagine the united states without electoral.college
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We are witnessing the last death throes of a dying monster predator .... the end of the American Empire.
the entire constitution is 250 years old so I guess you don't like the 1st 3rd,4th and so on amendments either?
we also may have been living under the Kaiser's the Nazi;s or the emperor of japans rule without the united states
the electoral collage is not racist was used long before the united states and is used in many countries still
historian Sean Wilentz points out that Jefferson's purported "slave advantage" ignores an offset by electoral manipulation by anti-Jefferson forces in Pennsylvania. Wilentz concludes that it is a myth to say that the Electoral College was a pro-slavery ploy
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You can thank the GOP for that. United States used to be innovators now with crumbling infrastructure, massive debt no health care, and high poverty rate caused by thr trickle down theory it's far from the best country in the world.
Interesting!
I don't find many people who date the Constitution to the War Between the States.
It's a decent argument (the Second Constitution begins with the 13th amendment) but not one seen very often.
Name them.
It wasn't.
It was a stupid kludge put together due to a number of factors and almost immediately realized as a mistake that people have been trying to fix for almost two centuries.
I think the counter factual doesn't hold and depends a lot on when you think the Electoral College vanishes.
If Al Gore gets two terms 2001-2008 I don't think you get Obama.
sorry typo its 250 years (actually 231 if you want to split hairs)
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Other countries with electoral college systems include Burundi, Estonia,[12] India, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Myanmar, Pakistan, Trinidad and Tobago[13] and Vanuatu. The Seanad Éireann (Senate) in Ireland is chosen by an electoral college. Within China, both Macau[14] and Hong Kong each have an Election Committee which functions as an electoral college for selecting the Chief Executive and for selecting some of the seats of the Legislative Council. In Guernsey, an electoral college called the States of Election chooses the island's jurats.[15] Georgia will have the Electoral College to elect the President of Georgia beginning in 2024.[16]
This is the thread of an 8 year old.
Imagine if Vince and T-Mac stayed with the Raptors...IMAAAGINE
Everyone knows what is required to win an election in the US or Canada for that matter. I don't see many people complaining about the fact that JT hasn't won the popular vote in the last 2 elections. This whinefest is now 5 and 21 years after the elections FFS
Also Dems hate war now? After 9/11 Gore wouldn't have been pressured to invade and occupy Afghanistan??? Give your head a shake. I hope OP is about 30 years old. Being 10 years old or younger when 9/11 happened is the only excuse for these opinions
Imagine if Vince and T-Mac stayed with the Raptors...IMAAAGINE
Everyone knows what is required to win an election in the US or Canada for that matter. I don't see many people complaining about the fact that JT hasn't won the popular vote in the last 2 elections. This whinefest is now 5 and 21 years after the elections FFS
Also Dems hate war now? After 9/11 Gore wouldn't have been pressured to invade and occupy Afghanistan??? Give your head a shake. I hope OP is about 30 years old. Being 10 years old or younger when 9/11 happened is the only excuse for these opinions
Many of the countries you have cited are not exactly beacons of democracy.
From the article:
Donald Trump’s victory in the U.S. presidential election this month – in particular, his winning a clear majority of the Electoral College vote despite receiving nearly 1.3 million fewer popular votes than Hillary Clinton – prompted readers of another Pew Research Center Fact Tank post to wonder how the U.S. system compares with the way other countries elect their leaders.
The short answer: No other democratic nation fills its top job quite the way the U.S. does, and only a handful are even similar.
Besides the U.S, the only other democracies that indirectly elect a leader who combines the roles of head of state and head of government (as the U.S. president does) are Botswana, the Federated States of Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Nauru, South Africa and Suriname. (The Swiss collective presidency also is elected indirectly, by that country’s parliament.)
and the Liberals have won the canadian elections 3 times despite receiving less votes then the conservativesMany of the countries you have cited are not exactly beacons of democracy.
From the article:
Donald Trump’s victory in the U.S. presidential election this month – in particular, his winning a clear majority of the Electoral College vote despite receiving nearly 1.3 million fewer popular votes than Hillary Clinton – prompted readers of another Pew Research Center Fact Tank post to wonder how the U.S. system compares with the way other countries elect their leaders.
The short answer: No other democratic nation fills its top job quite the way the U.S. does, and only a handful are even similar.
Besides the U.S, the only other democracies that indirectly elect a leader who combines the roles of head of state and head of government (as the U.S. president does) are Botswana, the Federated States of Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Nauru, South Africa and Suriname. (The Swiss collective presidency also is elected indirectly, by that country’s parliament.)
U.S. has only 51 states while Canada has 338 electoral districts each of which elects the member of parliament who is equivalent to "1 electoral college vote" for the PM. Imagine if there were no electoral districts in Canada and PM was elected by majority of people. We would not have this clown PM now.
And the Electoral College is how the US Govt works for Presidential elections
How about Canada? The last time I checked, PM is both the head of state and head of government (unless, of course, you believe that queen is the head of state) ad we did not elect him to this post directly.Many of the countries you have cited are not exactly beacons of democracy.
From the article:
Donald Trump’s victory in the U.S. presidential election this month – in particular, his winning a clear majority of the Electoral College vote despite receiving nearly 1.3 million fewer popular votes than Hillary Clinton – prompted readers of another Pew Research Center Fact Tank post to wonder how the U.S. system compares with the way other countries elect their leaders.
The short answer: No other democratic nation fills its top job quite the way the U.S. does, and only a handful are even similar.
Besides the U.S, the only other democracies that indirectly elect a leader who combines the roles of head of state and head of government (as the U.S. president does) are Botswana, the Federated States of Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Nauru, South Africa and Suriname. (The Swiss collective presidency also is elected indirectly, by that country’s parliament.)
Let's see 2021 -
Hmm freedom of press religion and peaceful protest - sure
A well regulated militia to ensure the freedom of a state so people have thr rights to bear arms - not outdated at all
No solider allowed to occupy your house without your permission - people have to deal with that one all the time today
No illegal searches ,- OK this one is relevant
Must be indicted by grand jury for capitol crime - no issue with that one
Speedy trial - ya sure
Lawsuits over $20 have right to trial by jury - not outdated at all lol
No excessive bail or extreme punishment- OK
Constitution belongs to everyone- OK
Laws not covered by constitution or state laws are covered by the state or people- OK
The US will not enforce its own laws against itself with a foreign plaintiff- OK
June 15 1804 - electors shall cast vote - not exactly before America lol
1865 -. Slavery abolished - this is when the 12th should have been revisited but wasn't
A minority government is a normal, legitimate outcome in a democracy with more than 2 parties.
The electoral college is more difficult to legitimize in a “democratic” system with only 2 parties where the winner does not actually hold a majority of the popular vote.
The only people who support this nonsense are Trump Supporters who also support the storming of the capitol. Nuff said.
Just to summarise your point: laws that help your favourite party should remain the same, laws that help the opposite party should be changed.
Too bad, I was impressed by your embrace of a bold minority view.
Exactly. You can see how ridiculous it is to pretend the US Electoral College is normal, even if you are generous and assume this tiny minority of countries use something analogous (which they mostly don't outside of "some offices are elected by other elected groups".)
