If Israel Attacks Iran, Russia Is Not Going to Stay on the Sideline

basketcase

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Yes, ...

The UN is clear, the UN resolution demanding Israel end the occupation within a year includes the borders they would use, the 1967 borders which returns only 20% or so of Palestine and yet you still refuse to even accept this ruling. You claim to support the two state solution yet argue against it every single time.
Do you accept the existence of Israel beside Palestine as the final peaceful resolution of the conflict?

It is laughable that after decades of demanding a One State peace that Palestinians hate, you now pretend to support a Two State peace. The reality is you like much of the Palestinian leadership are happy to accept a Palestinian state but still reject Israel's existence.
 

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Do you accept the existence of Israel beside Palestine as the final peaceful resolution of the conflict?

It is laughable that after decades of demanding a One State peace that Palestinians hate, you now pretend to support a Two State peace. The reality is you like much of the Palestinian leadership are happy to accept a Palestinian state but still reject Israel's existence.
Before the genocide I argued that the one state solution would be most peaceful and just solution.
After genocide the zionist regime must be ended and its leaders put on trial.
Palestinians should not have to live next to them any more than Jews having to live next to nazis.

Bringing zionists to justice will take decades.


 
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I do not dispute that Israel chose to commit genocide on Oct 8 and you have promoted this genocide every day since.
So you agree that the plight of the citizens in Gaza became monumentally worse the worse the day after Oct.7. That has been my point all along.

Since we've now established that, do you think that having a "genocide" upon your people because of Oct.7 was a smart thing or extremely stupid. If Israel does complete this genocide, it means the extinction of a people. Do you think that Oct.7 was smart or stupid.
 
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Klatuu

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So you agree that the plight of the citizens in Gaza became monumentally worse the worse the day after Oct.7. That has been my point all along.

Since we've now established that, do you think that having a "genocide" upon your people because of Oct.7 was a smart thing or extremely stupid. If Israel does complete this genocide, it means the extinction of a people. Do you think that Oct.7 was smart or stupid.
Wife beater defense
 
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So you agree that the plight of the citizens in Gaza became monumentally worse the worse the day after Oct.7. That has been my point all along.

Since we've now established that, do you think that having a "genocide" upon your people because of Oct.7 was a smart thing or extremely stupid. If Israel does complete this genocide, it means the extinction of a people. Do you think that Oct.7 was smart or stupid.
The genocide was Netanyahu's choice and you've said only Israel can stop it.
You've repeatedly said you think committing genocide is 'pretty fucking smart'.

Seeing as Israel's suffering is miniscule compared to that of the Palis (as you've incessantly complained about) it seems like it was pretty fucking smart.
Hamas is powerless to stop Israel. Israel will stop when they are good and ready.
I think the occupation, apartheid and genocide are all idiotically stupid and evil.
So does the world.


 
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Before the genocide I argued that the one state solution would be most peaceful and just solution.
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Even though the vast majority of Palestinians hated the idea.

By why are you afraid to answer the question?
Do you accept the existence of Israel beside Palestine as the final peaceful resolution of the conflict?


You have made it eminently clear that your issue is the Jewish presence and you fluidly take any opinion you think opposes that.

Hamas has made clear that even if they accepted a Palestinian state on the '67 lines, it would not be an end to the conflict and they would continue to kill to eliminate the entire Jewish presence. They have made it clear that they don't think any Jew should be living there (except Jews living there before 1919 of which none are still living).
Abbas and Arafat rejected numerous peace plans that would have resulted in a Palestinian state because the Palestinian leadership have spent a century pretending they can eliminate the Jewish presence.

It is transparent that your sudden change to supporting a Palestinians state in the West Bank and Gaza has nothing to do with the welfare of Palestinians but simply accept anything that you think harms Israel's existence.
 

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Even though the vast majority of Palestinians hated the idea.

By why are you afraid to answer the question?
Do you accept the existence of Israel beside Palestine as the final peaceful resolution of the conflict?


You have made it eminently clear that your issue is the Jewish presence and you fluidly take any opinion you think opposes that.

Hamas has made clear that even if they accepted a Palestinian state on the '67 lines, it would not be an end to the conflict and they would continue to kill to eliminate the entire Jewish presence. They have made it clear that they don't think any Jew should be living there (except Jews living there before 1919 of which none are still living).
Abbas and Arafat rejected numerous peace plans that would have resulted in a Palestinian state because the Palestinian leadership have spent a century pretending they can eliminate the Jewish presence.

It is transparent that your sudden change to supporting a Palestinians state in the West Bank and Gaza has nothing to do with the welfare of Palestinians but simply accept anything that you think harms Israel's existence.
Do you think nazi Germany should have been allowed to continue to exist after WWII?
Do you think Pol Pot should have been allowed to rule after Cambodia?

Genocidal regimes need to be ended.

 

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You've repeatedly said you think committing genocide is 'pretty fucking smart'.
No. I've said that, based on what the results were, the Oct.7 attack was really fucking stupid. I disagree with the term "genocide" but we've agreed that the plight of palis/gazans became immeasurably worse starting Oct. 8, the day after. It is direct case of cause and effect. Do you think that palis/gazans getting "genocided" was worth the Oct.7 attack? Was it smart or stupid?
 

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No. I've said that, based on what the results were, the Oct.7 attack was really fucking stupid. I disagree with the term "genocide" but we've agreed that the plight of palis/gazans became immeasurably worse starting Oct. 8, the day after. It is direct case of cause and effect. Do you think that palis/gazans getting "genocided" was worth the Oct.7 attack? Was it smart or stupid?
Do you think turning Israel into a genocidal regime and laying the grounds for the zionist regime to be ended like the nazi regime was 'pretty fucking smart' still, Shazi?


 

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No. I've said that, based on what the results were, the Oct.7 attack was really fucking stupid. I disagree with the term "genocide" but we've agreed that the plight of palis/gazans became immeasurably worse starting Oct. 8, the day after. It is direct case of cause and effect. Do you think that palis/gazans getting "genocided" was worth the Oct.7 attack? Was it smart or stupid?
Expected results, actually unless Hamas leadership was stoned out of their mind or absolutely literally insane, one must assume desired results as well as expected
Rational people don't do shit that has expected results unless said expected results are desireable

I mean sure eating that pizza will ruin your health, but the expected result of yum yums or the scratching of the addictive food craving is better than the health costs.

Hamas knew what was going to happen, and they did it anyways. Everything that followed they wanted. They knew at least for a while it would get the base excited and silly people in the west who don't know anything would blame the IDF and not Hamas. Because apparently launching an attack and killing, raping and hostage taking is A OK
 
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Expected results, actually unless Hamas leadership was stoned out of their mind or absolutely literally insane, one must assume desired results as well as expected
Rational people don't do shit that has expected results unless said expected results are desireable

I mean sure eating that pizza will ruin your health, but the expected result of yum yums or the scratching of the addictive food craving is better than the health costs.

Hamas knew what was going to happen, and they did it anyways. Everything that followed they wanted. They knew at least for a while it would get the base excited and silly people in the west who don't know anything would blame the IDF and not Hamas. Because apparently launching an attack and killing, raping and hostage taking is A OK
Expected results.
Netanyahu was warned and sent the IOF to the West Bank.
Then he sent in the Apaches for the Hannibal Doctrine.

Otherwise it would have been a repeat of 2021 where Hamas didn't get across the concentration camp walls.

 

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Do you think nazi Germany should have been allowed to continue to exist after WWII?
Do you think Pol Pot should have been allowed to rule after Cambodia?
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Thanks for admitting you reject the UN motion you keep pretending to support.

p.s. German does exist. So does Cambodia. Only people who support genocide think the destruction of an entire country and the ethnic cleansing of its people as appropriate.
 

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So what exactly is Russia going to do when the IDF kicks the nuts off Iran?....

Russia's using World War 2 vintage T-34 antique tanks and launching human wave attacks composed of long-term ex cons shipped to the front line and given obsolescent Ak-47's with 10 rounds of ammo.

The IDF will piss themselves laughing before utterly chewing the Russian army and spitting it out.
 
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