I need some advice!!

squash500

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I got myself into a bit of a predicament and I could use some advice. As all of terb knows by now I have asperger syndrome. I also suffer from visual spatial judgment issues. As a result I can no longer drive a car. I gave up driving in 2003 and thank goodness have never been in any car accidents although I've been close a few times to having car accidents in the late 1990's and early 2000's. I also have extreme anxiety issues.

As a result I work from home as a financial administrator.

I am 46 years old. I've been married twice. Both marriages lasted a very short time. I've been divorced since 1998. I had a vasectomy in 1993 once it was determined how bad my learning disability and anxiety issues really were. I needed a special letter from my family doc as well as meeting with the urologist at a toronto hospital before they would agree to let me have the vasectomy.

The urologist was concerned that being only 30 yrs old at the time with no previous children that I could be making a huge mistake. The urologist finally agreed to give me a vasectomy in 1993. Presently I live alone in a small midtown toronto bachelor apartment with no major responsibilities. Due to various means of family support I am able to afford to visit sps occasionally.

Both my family doctor and my father fully support me seeing sps as opposed to dating civilians. My mother died suddenly in 2001 just in case anybody is wondering? Obviously I have too many mental health and anxiety issues to date normal civilian women. Also the fact that I have a home based part-time job as well as not owning a car doesn't help my civilian dating prospects either.

After all this introductory bulls**t here's where I need some advice:) . I haven't dated a civilian woman since 1998. For more than a few years I had an ex girlfriend who felt bad about my situation and slept with me for money. I would pay her $100 a session and I would see her sometimes twice a month. This FWB + money arrangement went on for quite a few years. This FWB + money arrangement ended recently. That's the reason I have been seeing more sps lately!

After this FWB + money arrangement ended I began to see sps in order to get some sexual relief. Just to repeat both my father and family doctor encouraged this arrangement. My family doc said that for 99% of her patients she wouldn't encourage them to see sps and would rather they date civilians. My doc said that I am in that 1% of patients where seeing sps would be the easier alternative of the two. Total sexual abstinence would be the easiest choice but I love having sex with hot women too much to become abstinent.

Everything was going along ok for me until last week. I walked to my local supermarket to buy some groceries. To make a very long story short I struck up a conversation with a food demonstrator who was working temporarily at this particular supermarket.

I made some funny joke that the product she was demonstrating tasted like sh*t and she began to laugh. She said that I had a cute face and asked me out on a date. This woman was just average looking. She is a 48 years old divorcee and has 3 kids. She asked me out for last saturday night. I was going to post this whole story yesterday on terb but I was too embarrased yesterday to do it. This afternoon I feel that I am now ready to post the story.

We go out last Saturday night for drinks at a local restaurant in my area of Toronto. Remember everybody this is my first civilian date in a number of years. Right when we get to the restaurant she tells me she has no money on her. She left her wallet at home. I was so lonely and desparate for someone to talk to that I told her that I would pay for dinner and drinks. I know I'm a f*****g idiot.

This was my first Saturday night civilian date in many years. Here's where things start to get bizarre. It turns out that she is an alcoholic. We started off at the restaurant having a surprisingly decent conversation. I was telling her about some of my problems and vice versa. Due to the fact that she wasn't very sexually attractive I was my total self on the date. I broke every dating rule in the book. I basically told my life story to a f*****g stranger.

She kept asking for more wine. I finally said I've got to be honest with you. The wine at this restaurant is very expensive and I only have $100 on me. As a result we wound up not ordering any food. The bill at the restaurant mercillesly came to only $40. By this time it was only 9PM on Saturday night.

The funny part was that I didn't want the evening to end. I was having a good time because I had finally met somebody who was just as inappropriate socially as I was? Her voice was so loud in the restaurant that other customers kept on giving us dirty looks the whole time we were there.

My date said I need more wine! I then made the stupid suggestion that we still had time to go to the local winestore in my area which was open until 11PM. I then stupidly invited her up to my modest bachelor apartment. She managed to finish the whole bottle of wine herself that I bought for her for $11 and became totally trashed.

Luckily she wasn't driving as her car had already been taken away from her temporarily for other driving violations. I can just imagine what those were. Just to repeat I was not sexually attracted to this woman. I guess I was just lonely and looking for someone to talk to and for an evening out.

Then we get to my apartment and all of a sudden she wants to start cleaning my fridge and tidying up my apartment---lol. She then confides to me that she also has OCD and likes to clean houses and apartments when she is drunk!

Finally at around 11:30PM last Saturday night I walk her to the nearest subway station as I became afraid for her safety. I didn't realize what a total alcoholic this chick is! The ironic thing is that when she is sober she has a bubbly and pleasant personality and is in fact a university graduate.

Thank goodness nothing sexual happened that night. I was a perfect gentleman as I had only one and a half glasss of wine the whole evening. I'm not supposed to have any alcohol at all with the anxiety meds I am on so I am not very proud of myself either.

I thought that I was rid of this woman for good after last Saturday's fiasco. Lo and behold she calls me about an hour ago saying that she will be in my area again this week and asking me if I would like to go out again.

I had to be totally honest with her. I told her that her excessive drinking was a bad influence on me and that I couldn't afford to keep supporting her drinking habit. She then got quite pissed off with me. I also told her that my family doc doesn't want me to date women with drinking problems as my family doc knows that I am a person who is easily influenced and will start drinking alcohol along with her everytime we go out.

I told this woman that I never wanted to see her again. She hung up on me. Did I handle things the right way with this woman this afternoon on the phone? I figure I had no other choice but to be totally honest. I didn't want to lead her on! I have an appt with my family doc tomorrow and I'll tell her this whole controversial dating story.

Sorry to post such a long winded dating adventure. I've learned one thing from all of this. I am not cut out for civilian dating! Bring on the sps.

As usual any comments would be most appreciated. This was one of the craziest evenings in my 46 years of living on this earth. I left out a lot of smaller details as I didn't want to turn this post into a novel for goodness sakes!
 
You aren't dating women because you don't want to. Obvoiusly. You should just have admitted that to her instead of blaming her "drinking problem". Don't blame your doc for what is obvioulsy your own fear of commitment/relationship/whatever.

Just because someone goes out and gets wasted one night does not mean they have a drinking problem. You'd have to see a pattern of behavior before you could say she had a problem.

Lots of people get drunk now and then.
 
Squash, considering all of your social problems you handled the situation the the best way it could have been handled under the circumstances. Don't sweat it. Cheers GB
 
If your goal was not to see this woman again then yes, you did good. If you're trying to get in her pants then no, not so much.
 
great bear said:
Squash, considering all of your social problems you handled the situation the the best way it could have been handled under the circumstances. Don't sweat it. Cheers GB

Agree 100% Move on, enjoy the summer. or at least the sun today.
 
Under the circumstances...

I'll give you a:

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Don't sweat it squash.
 
fuji said:
You aren't dating women because you don't want to. Obvoiusly. You should just have admitted that to her instead of blaming her "drinking problem". Don't blame your doc for what is obvioulsy your own fear of commitment/relationship/whatever.

Just because someone goes out and gets wasted one night does not mean they have a drinking problem. You'd have to see a pattern of behavior before you could say she had a problem.

Lots of people get drunk now and then.

Fuji, she admitted to me that she has been to a lot of AA meetings. She told me that AA has not worked for her in the past.

It didn't take me long to discover her pattern of behavior.
 
Ok,
She connected to you somehow. Maybe it was because you both had shitty life experiences, maybe because you both survived rough times. Who knows. but she trusted you enough, or wanted to have sex badly enough with you, to go to your place and drink.
Maybe she was getting drunk the first night because she wanted to have sex and could blame her being that forward on being drunk.
Dude I have yet to have a date with a woman in the last 8 years that doesn't cost me at least 100 bucks. The age of first dates at a burger shop with no alcohol seem to be over. Best idea for you on a limited budget is probably a buffet type thing. Lunch is cheaper than dinner and some wines are a decent price.
You had a better date with her than my last 2 dates with women. Trust me if you think she was wierd you should meet some of the women I have had the pleasure/misfortune of dating. I seem to attract the psycho's.
You did well up until you walked her to the subway. You SHOULD have offered to either send her home by cab or gone to her place with her just to drop her off at her door if she was as drunk as you say.
The fact that she called you back at all amazes me. Now you were EXTREMELY disrespectful and inconsiderate in the way you treated this woman. How would you feel if she said something about your issues or problems? Even if you don't ever see this woman again you need to apologise to her. Maybe she was just taking a day to unwind. 3 kids and a divorce. Alone raising 3 kids.Who knows if she's getting alimony or child support.
I myself think that if your bills are paid the rest of your money, half should be saved for a rainy day and the rest used to enjoy yourself. A man focused on the almighty dollar too much will lose himself to it and when you finally realize it, it is usually too late to have fun.
 
elmo said:
If your goal was not to see this woman again then yes, you did good. If you're trying to get in her pants then no, not so much.


Believe me I'm not trying to get into her pants:) .
 
great bear said:
Squash, considering all of your social problems you handled the situation the the best way it could have been handled under the circumstances. Don't sweat it. Cheers GB

Thanks GB:) .
 
fuji said:
Just because someone goes out and gets wasted one night does not mean they have a drinking problem. You'd have to see a pattern of behavior before you could say she had a problem.

Lots of people get drunk now and then.

True enough, but if she drank a bottle of wine on her own then wants more the odds are she has a problem and has done it before. I believe she wanted a free ride... keep hanging in there squash
 
Ok maybe I'll give you that she was a lush but you don't have to call her that.
Just remember the secret.
Treat others with the same kind of respect and understanding you wish to recieve.
 
Loosing her license, saying she has a drinking problem, saying AA is not working. She has a drinking problem.

Plus, he said he was not attracted to her. Squash said he had no interest in getting into her pants. Is Squash expected to screw her on the next date whether he wants to or not, because that is what likely was going to happen. Although, it would have made for an interesting story... Ok squash, call her back and apologies, I’ll buy the wine :D … Just kidding
 
Are you kidding me????

Dude - you don't need advice, you are looking for validation. 2 completely different things. You don't want her around, she is not around. So clearly you did right. You don't care about her, so who gives a shit if you pissed her off or hurt her feelings.

What you should be looking at it the fact that you seem to need this validation AND you are seeking it among a bunch of anonymous people that you don't know.

Also - I don't care what disorder you have, when you say that you can't have a relationship with a civilian woman because of your disorder, you are putting yourself and everyone else in this world with a disorder down.

You can live a normal life if you really wanted to. I personally think that you use your disorder as a crutch to avoid many things in life that even "normal" people have problems with. Yet they seem to learn and move on, and guess what -so can you...

Some food for thought bud. You can do it. You may have a tougher time of it but you can do it.
 
Davy.Biggie said:
Ok,
She connected to you somehow. Maybe it was because you both had shitty life experiences, maybe because you both survived rough times. Who knows. but she trusted you enough, or wanted to have sex badly enough with you, to go to your place and drink.
Maybe she was getting drunk the first night because she wanted to have sex and could blame her being that forward on being drunk.
Dude I have yet to have a date with a woman in the last 8 years that doesn't cost me at least 100 bucks. The age of first dates at a burger shop with no alcohol seem to be over. Best idea for you on a limited budget is probably a buffet type thing. Lunch is cheaper than dinner and some wines are a decent price.
You had a better date with her than my last 2 dates with women. Trust me if you think she was wierd you should meet some of the women I have had the pleasure/misfortune of dating. I seem to attract the psycho's.
You did well up until you walked her to the subway. You SHOULD have offered to either send her home by cab or gone to her place with her just to drop her off at her door if she was as drunk as you say.
The fact that she called you back at all amazes me. Now you were EXTREMELY disrespectful and inconsiderate in the way you treated this woman. How would you feel if she said something about your issues or problems? Even if you don't ever see this woman again you need to apologise to her. Maybe she was just taking a day to unwind. 3 kids and a divorce. Alone raising 3 kids.Who knows if she's getting alimony or child support.
I myself think that if your bills are paid the rest of your money, half should be saved for a rainy day and the rest used to enjoy yourself. A man focused on the almighty dollar too much will lose himself to it and when you finally realize it, it is usually too late to have fun.

I don't think she wanted to have sex at all with me?:confused: I think she just wanted someone to talk to. She did trust me enough to go back to my place however.

Her ex-husband has custody of the 3 kids. I feel bad for this woman as I certainly have my own issues to deal with as well. She didn't at first even want me to walk her to the subway.
 
Rylan said:
Are you kidding me????

Dude - you don't need advice, you are looking for validation. 2 completely different things. You don't want her around, she is not around. So clearly you did right. You don't care about her, so who gives a shit if you pissed her off or hurt her feelings.

What you should be looking at it the fact that you seem to need this validation AND you are seeking it among a bunch of anonymous people that you don't know.

Also - I don't care what disorder you have, when you say that you can't have a relationship with a civilian woman because of your disorder, you are putting yourself and everyone else in this world with a disorder down.

You can live a normal life if you really wanted to. I personally think that you use your disorder as a crutch to avoid many things in life that even "normal" people have problems with. Yet they seem to learn and move on, and guess what -so can you...

Some food for thought bud. You can do it. You may have a tougher time of it but you can do it.

Maybe you're right:) . With that being said I personally find civilian dating to be too unpredictable as well as being too expensive.

I would rather spend my money on sps where at least I'm guaranteed to get some sex out of the situation. Whether it be a BJ or FS or whatever?
 
Well, the fact that she asked you out, and didn't mind your pad, and phoned you up for another date, seems to suggest that some civilian women DO want to go out with you. So, while you can enjoy seeing SP's, if you ever want to date there are women out there who will date you and like it.
 
squash500 said:
Maybe you're right:) . With that being said I personally find civilian dating to be too unpredictable as well as being too expensive.

I would rather spend my money on sps where at least I'm guaranteed to get some sex out of the situation. Whether it be a BJ or FS or whatever?


Oh I get that part of it completely. I think that using SPs for that means is right, but I also think that there are other things in your life that you can do, but don't because of your disorder, and I think that given some time and hard work on yourself, you may be able to date a civilian woman. You are selling yourself short all the time.

Look at how you have grow just in seeing SP's. Not letting them take advantage of you, getting the service you want etc. Getting over the anxiety. Not completely but you are getting much better at it.

So just keep that in mind. First thing is stop saying you can't because of your AS. Start say that you can in time.
 
great bear said:
Squash, considering all of your social problems you handled the situation the the best way it could have been handled under the circumstances. Don't sweat it. Cheers GB
I agree, you did well.

Oh, and Luv, my issues are still bigger.:p