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art van dele

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https://torontolife.com/city/life/i...ow-i-​ended-up-living-in-dufferin-grove-park/


This story made me sad despite having a relatively happy ending. Why do we have homeless in such a wealthy city? Are the Torontonians as compassionate as once they were before?
I’m an immigrant with social and leftist point of views but I blame mostly immigrants for a lot of negative changes in this great city,being cultural, social behaviours, complacency, apathy,... a lot of us immigrants brought the same unsavoury habits here with us, the very same things that made us to flee our motherlands.
Anyway my point is that Toronto has changed and not necessarily for better.
 

wazup

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I disagree, most of the vagrants are white drug addicted junkies. If you gave 100 of them a job and a place to live, 95 or more would be back on the streets a few months later.

My city all the junkies are Canadian born white people, nothing to do with immigrants.
 

doggystyle99

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https://torontolife.com/city/life/i...ow-i-​ended-up-living-in-dufferin-grove-park/


This story made me sad despite having a relatively happy ending. Why do we have homeless in such a wealthy city? Are the Torontonians as compassionate as once they were before?
I’m an immigrant with social and leftist point of views but I blame mostly immigrants for a lot of negative changes in this great city,being cultural, social behaviours, complacency, apathy,... a lot of us immigrants brought the same unsavoury habits here with us, the very same things that made us to flee our motherlands.
Anyway my point is that Toronto has changed and not necessarily for better.
Reading the article I am glad she finally has a place to live in.
"I refinanced my mortgage through a series of private lenders. In 2016, the man who held my mortgage demanded a balloon payment. When I couldn’t meet that request, he had me evicted."
Any time someone refinances or gets a mortgage the terms are explained by the people giving you the mortgage and also explained in the contract everyone should know these terms and ask to have them clarified in person as well as read the contracts. The woman had a series of bad luck and she got herself into a situation she know she could not afford to pay and that's no one's fault but hers.
So I really don't understand how you telling anyone that you blame immigrants for a lot of negative changes in this great city has anything to do with the article.

Immigrants in general bring a lot more positive impact to the GTA community than there is negative impact. You being an immigrant should know this first hand.
In Canada we even need more immigrants than we are letting in as we have a large percentage of our population that are aging (65+) and we need the workforce in all industries just to maintain our current population.
 

bver_hunter

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https://torontolife.com/city/life/i...ow-i-​ended-up-living-in-dufferin-grove-park/


This story made me sad despite having a relatively happy ending. Why do we have homeless in such a wealthy city? Are the Torontonians as compassionate as once they were before?
I’m an immigrant with social and leftist point of views but I blame mostly immigrants for a lot of negative changes in this great city,being cultural, social behaviours, complacency, apathy,... a lot of us immigrants brought the same unsavoury habits here with us, the very same things that made us to flee our motherlands.
Anyway my point is that Toronto has changed and not necessarily for better.
Do not understand why she only got $900 CPP at the age of 65. She should have also been entitled to OAS and GIS if she had no other source of income. Am I wrong about this? Good to know that she finally has her own home. But I do not see her blaming any other immigrants etc. for her plight.

So why do you blame the immigrants for the "negative" changes in this great city?? I know a lot of immigrants who socially and culturally have progressed into the Canadian Way of Life. Especially the Second Generation onwards. Those who still maintain their religious and cultural beliefs can do so, as long as they respect others way of life as well.
 

explorerzip

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https://torontolife.com/city/life/i...ow-i-​ended-up-living-in-dufferin-grove-park/


This story made me sad despite having a relatively happy ending. Why do we have homeless in such a wealthy city? Are the Torontonians as compassionate as once they were before?
I’m an immigrant with social and leftist point of views but I blame mostly immigrants for a lot of negative changes in this great city,being cultural, social behaviours, complacency, apathy,... a lot of us immigrants brought the same unsavoury habits here with us, the very same things that made us to flee our motherlands.
Anyway my point is that Toronto has changed and not necessarily for better.
Homelessness is not unique to Toronto. There have been and always will be homeless in any major city. The hard part is getting an accurate count of how many and more importantly why they ended up that way.

Your so-called negative changes about immigrants (being cultural, social behaviors, complacency, apathy, etc) have nothing to do with homelessness.
 

Smallcock

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Smallcock

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Why do we have homeless in such a wealthy city?
Do you want us to force drug addicts and mentally ill people into homes against their will?
 

art van dele

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Homelessness is not unique to Toronto. There have been and always will be homeless in any major city. The hard part is getting an accurate count of how many and more importantly why they ended up that way.

Your so-called negative changes about immigrants (being cultural, social behaviors, complacency, apathy, etc) have nothing to do with homelessness.
You and Wazup seem to miss the point. I’m not blaming immigrants for homelessness I’m just upset with Toronto in whole when it comes to social welfare issues, case in point the premier we elected. My problem with immigrants are some their social and behaviour habits anything from lack of respect or other people, their rights, space, courtesy, in some cases hygiene,..... I can go on and on. Lack of empathy is my biggest problem with them, everyone seem to be there just for themselves.
 

wazup

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You and Wazup seem to miss the point. I’m not blaming immigrants for homelessness I’m just upset with Toronto in whole when it comes to social welfare issues, case in point the premier we elected. My problem with immigrants are some their social and behaviour habits anything from lack of respect or other people, their rights, space, courtesy, in some cases hygiene,..... I can go on and on. Lack of empathy is my biggest problem with them, everyone seem to be there just for themselves.
Empathy for who, 25% might have mental issues, the rest are drug addicted junkies who will do anything for their next hit. All these junkies at island intersections and off ramps are Canadian born whities. We need to stop giving them change and giving a shit about them. They were born in a country with opportunity like few other countries and they end up like that?

Some (many) immigrants do smell bad from india but most are cordial enough.
 

explorerzip

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You and Wazup seem to miss the point. I’m not blaming immigrants for homelessness I’m just upset with Toronto in whole when it comes to social welfare issues, case in point the premier we elected. My problem with immigrants are some their social and behaviour habits anything from lack of respect or other people, their rights, space, courtesy, in some cases hygiene,..... I can go on and on. Lack of empathy is my biggest problem with them, everyone seem to be there just for themselves.
The social welfare issues have also been around for a very long time and the parties and the electorate are equally blame. Torontonians kept voting for people like Lastman, Ford and now Tory who keep trying to keep taxes low while letting infrastructure crumble. Now we're paying dearly for that oversight. How much are you prepared to pay to fix these social issues?

The majority of Ontarians voted for Ford. You might not the result, but that's how democracy works. Don't worry you'll get another chance next year to elect someone else (assuming you actually vote) and complain about immigrants and other random shit again.

The issues you mentioned like lack of respect for other people, space, courtesy, even hygiene are not unique to immigrants. Funny you mention lack of empathy because you seem to lack it yourself.
 

disaster_artist

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I wonder if she ever sued the dipshit who pushed her off the bus. Asshat probably ran off without ever acknowledging, much less apologizing for the fall.
 

rhuarc29

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You may be conflating two things. I'm not so sure the homeless issue is one of demographics, but rather of societal issues, and a lack of resources to combat them.

For instance, I was walking downtown in my hometown last weekend and was appalled at what it has become. My brother and I used to walk around the town ALONE when I was 7 and he was 10. This is a small town of 8,000 people, but in the last year there's been one arson, two stabbings, four muggings and enough vandalism for a town fifty times the size. Disheveled people roam the town day to day mumbling to themselves and occasionally shouting obscenities as whatever drug they're on takes its toll on their minds. Speaking of druggies, they've taken over the downtown Tim Hortons. Everyone I know avoids that Tim Hortons because it's highly discomforting walking through the crowd of meth addicts just outside the doorways (meth is the drug of choice).

A friend of mine quit working at the downtown shelter because she became afraid for her life. She joined the shelter because she wanted to help people and the town, but has become completely disenfranchised. The place is full of drug addicts and the mentally ill, both groups of which can become violent without cause. The place smells of piss, drugs and unwashed bodies, personal property isn't a thing because anything of value gets stolen instantly so the thieves can pawn it for more drugs, and the atmosphere is so depressing the shelter is probably doing more harm than good to everyone involved. The staff running the place make an effort, but they are verbally abused day after day, hour after hour, and that kind of abuse takes a toll.

But what can we do about it? Good intentions and wishes alone don't solve these types of problems. We need resources to tackle them. Unfortunately, decades of irresponsible spending by our governments has sapped us of the resources we need and worse, left us with an annual interest payment to cover. That's why when I see teachers and other well-off groups striking AGAIN and holding the country hostage, it pisses me off so much. Completely out-of-touch with reality.
 

Insidious Von

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Not again!

As Warren Oates said in Stripes, "I'm too old for this shit".
Great character actor who's films include: In The Heat of the Night, The Wild Bunch, Badlands and of course Stripes.

 
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