Human species 'may split in two'

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Sure they should consider it....

tboy said:
For eg: If they do end up finding the gene that determines whether you will get cancer or not, and the parents get tested and find that if they have a kid, they will most likely get cancer, shouldn't they consider NOT conceiving?
...but I would hope the decision would ultimately be theirs, and not anyone else's.

If / when we start to legislate who can have children, it will surely be the beginning of the end.
 

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Shit...no surprise ...i know there was a splitting...Mans big head ..and his little head... the evolution of the perverted homo-sapien...HAHA ^_^
 

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That has to be the stupidest article ever written! As long as the world is controlled by Money, Power and Status, the Short-Ugly-Diseased-Fatguy will always have the opportunity to reproduce.

So unless something catastrophic happens to the world (like in HG Well's Time Machine) this theory is out the window!
 

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Between a rock and a hard place
I guess its possible, considering that Cro-Magnons or modern man were living alongside Neanderthals at the end of the last ice age.
 

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People would become choosier about their sexual partners, causing humanity to divide into sub-species...
I must have come back in time because I'm quite finicky. So I think the split has taken place......and it's all my fault starting the loop in the time continuum!

Gyaos Baltar
 

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To add to this topic I was watching a program this week on superhumans and the various talents they have. Most amazing was the blind guy (since birth) who was able to draw perspective, depth of field, etc.

What was even more important though was the genetists who were talking about how, within 10 yrs, they will be able to modify the dna strand and eliminate any disease, genetic deficiencies and boost certain genes to create more super humans. They said the problem with this is that once again, it will be only available to the super rich and threatens to create 2 classes of humans: modified and typical.

Hearing that made me think of this thread.....

Another interesting point was the inventor of OCR has major health problems that run in his family, diabetes is one. No male in his family has ever lived to 58 (his current age).

Well, he employs an "aging expert" and has a strict regiment of exercise, diet, supplements etc. Periodically he has a "age test" done and this determines what state his body is at. ie: his overall health equals that of an average 50 60 70 yr old for example. Well, during the program he had one done and it came back at 40. Pretty fricken good for a guy 58!!!
 

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Have thought about this for vision. People who did not have good vision 1000’s of years ago would have a hard time surviving. In the last couple of 100 years glasses have been used to correct vision. Wonder if there are more people now with poor vision, then 1000 years ago.
 

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KBear said:
Have thought about this for vision. People who did not have good vision 1000’s of years ago would have a hard time surviving. In the last couple of 100 years glasses have been used to correct vision. Wonder if there are more people now with poor vision, then 1000 years ago.
Well, glasses have been around since the eqyptians built the pyramids but yeah, back before vision correction the poorly sighted didn't last.

This is another way we're screwing with evolution of our species. Anytime we allow a genetic defect replicate then the species becomes weaker.
 

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Oh, in years past there's no way I would have survived. With my eyesight and puny stature, there's no way I could have competed for food. Fortunately society developed division of labour, and I can sell the fruits of my giant brain instead.

Anytime we allow a genetic defect replicate then the species becomes weaker.
Don't know about this, though - we're a pretty strong species, what with the nuclear weapons and all - invented by guys in glasses, I suspect.

I think we're breeding for brains over brawn in one direction, and physical perfection in the other...what does the article say again? LOL
 

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Essentially the rich elite will be able to prolong their lives and become superhumans (the goal of ugenics as we know it) and everyone else will be dumbed down to be a servile slave race who's only desire is to work and consume.
 

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tboy said:
I was particularly intrigued by the statements about our resistance to disease and dependancy on meds. Particularly the part about the perpetuation of the cancer gene due to death prevention. Now I'm not saying that we should let all those susceptable to cancer die, but by not eradicating the disease (or any disease for that matter) and only focusing on treatment, it will only get worse in the future.

I recall a TLC program about this rare gene that causes severe birth defects. There was a couple portrayed in the program who had a history of this gene, both were tested, both tested positive for the gene, and had a child. Well, no surprize that the child turned out to have this rare disease and would require many surgeries, costing thousands of dollars and the kid would never grow up normal. I was thinking at the time: if you knew the chances of having a normal child were extremely slim, why on earth would you go ahead and have one?
The answer to your last 3 lines is that Hitler tried this, Castro still tries this, and in a free society we get to reproduce .......without seeking the approval or thought process of TBOY !
 

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Anderson said:
The answer to your last 3 lines is that Hitler tried this, Castro still tries this, and in a free society we get to reproduce .......without seeking the approval or thought process of TBOY !
As most often, you are way off the target here. Obviously, 2 people who both carry certain regressive genes should be told. Few people will knowingly create handicapped children. (although I have known a couple who did exactly that, created 3 retarded children)

PS: and, dear ersatz swede, it was not my parents.
 

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Hmmmmmm, where oh where do I start with you ????

Firstly, in spite of you knowing a couple who ''created'' 3 retarded children, individuals in this country ( unlike your utopias of North Korea and Cuba) still have rights !

Secondly it is the attitude of a boy like Tboy who can get out of hand .These ideas should be stopped roght at the beginning.
 

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Whats the big deal. I guess it was too bad the Neanderthals died out, huh.

What ever comes next after us--and its bound to happen someday, maybe a million years or so--the way its been going, they be smarter than we are now.

Maybe they be able to talk and fly--who knows, might be something else. At one time the Neanderthals where the best but then we were better and they died off.

One day, something better than us will come around...but then again we might kill it off :rolleyes:
 

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Anderson said:
Hmmmmmm, where oh where do I start with you ????

Firstly, in spite of you knowing a couple who ''created'' 3 retarded children, individuals in this country ( unlike your utopias of North Korea and Cuba) still have rights !

Secondly it is the attitude of a boy like Tboy who can get out of hand .These ideas should be stopped roght at the beginning.
I think you misunderstood Tboy. He did not advocate rules against procreation for anyone, neither do I.
 

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KBear said:
Have thought about this for vision. People who did not have good vision 1000’s of years ago would have a hard time surviving. In the last couple of 100 years glasses have been used to correct vision. Wonder if there are more people now with poor vision, then 1000 years ago.
Actually, poor vision would have been a biological benefit thousands of years ago, and could help to explain why people who wear glasses are, or are perceived to be, smarter than average, and why there are so many of them.

In the stone age, those with superior vision would have been more likely to be the hunters and warriors of the tribe. This would make them more likely to die before reproducing, or before reproducing in great numbers. Those with poor eyesight, who would be less useful in a hunt or a war, would probably have stayed back at the camp with the women, making the tools. It takes more intelligence to make tools than to use them, and access to the females while the better warriors were away killing would provide more opportunities for reproduction.

We see this in modern times, whenever there is conscription for military service. Those who fail the eyesight test are usually not selected for armed forces, and thus are less likely to die young. War usually takes the best, and leaves the rest.

I have worn glasses since I was eight, but probably should have had them sooner, but no one knew that my vision was poor. I learned to recognize people at a distance by remembering what they were wearing that day, how they walked, etc, which takes more intelligence than just being able to recognize them based on matching name and face.
 

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It used to be that only those with sharp hearing could survive, as good hearing was important in catching prey, and detecting threats to escapte them. With less selective pressure on good hearing, more and more people are having hearing problems as well, just as with vision.

Same thing with taste. Those who found heatlhy stuff taste good were able to survive. For example, being able to detect rotten or poisonous (usually bitter) food was very important. Nowadays, that is less important.

The whole idea is that, once there is no need for a trait to exist, it will gradually become lost over generations, just like our tails, or appendices. Fish that live in dark caves where there is no light, and no need for eyes, have lost the ability to see.

At this rate, the human race will continue to decline in vigour, health, and overall robustness.
 
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