How Will Major Providers & Agencies React

Interesting thread. Yes it is no secret that all the major agencies have gotten together along with some lawyers and had a meeting regarding Communist 36. I wont get into the details of our meeting , all i can say is that it was interesting and productive.

Some things that i may add is that i have operated agencies in the states were it is ultra illegal on all ends and it was and still is busier than hell. You just need to operate differently and smarter.

Running incalls and living off the avails and even being found in a bawdyhouse HAS ALWAYS BEEN ILLEGAL in Canada, but there was an understanding that as long as the girls were not exploited, trafficed and of legal age they left us alone. We have had visits from Police Services in the past, they come in, have a chat with the girl, see that she is happy, safe, of age and they are on their way. Believe it or not, they even called and told us that they were going to speak to that specific girl at a specific time.

Escort agencies such as ours have worked very closely to keep our industry as clean as possible and most importantly, as safe as possible for the girls. Ultimately, this is what law enforcement care about.

In the past our agency has worked closely with law enforcement on two separate occassions to rid a couple of girls that we found out were pimped here. We called the police, arrested the pimps via SWAT TEAM, one who was also wanted for armed robbery in another province, all while having my families and my life threatened. The girls have left the industry.

We along with some other agencies get regular emails from law enforcement regarding run away or missing girls.

We get pictures sent to us regarding violent johns to post in our incall locations to warn the girls.

And the kicker of all kickers, THIS AGENCY HAS HAD GIRLS WORKING ON THEIR OWN, REFERRED TO US BY THE POLICE SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT. The police PREFER that girls work for a reputable agency, rather than on the streets or on their own. SAFETY

My agency in Saskatchewan is licensed, and so are the girls. Read the article from the Saskatoon newspaper, ( its in another thread) where they claim to have the best system around. Law enforcement loves it.

IMHO, this will be handled jurisdiction by jurisdiction and the focus will be on EXPLOITATION, HUMAN TRAFFICING and UNDER AGED GIRLS, as it always has been.

Ontario has a new MAJORITY LIBERAL government and has a Homosexual (DYKE) as premier, who i am sure remembers what she has gone through on similar issues. Federal laws are enforced by the provinces, and they wont waste their budgets on stuff that they know is unpopular with the public (as in poll after poll on the subject ), and knowing damn well this is going straight back the the Supremes.

One of our regular clients who is in a wheel chair has told me, once this law passes, he will book an escort, call a TV news crew to his house, and call the police that he is now about to break this irrational, Taliban style law. True story.

The sky isnt falling folks, i think things will cool off for a bit, and once all see that the earth is still revolving, things will slowly get back to normal. As a note, all the girls that have ever worked at this agency, were and are independent contractors that come and go from across Canada as they please. They are treated with compassion, humanity, respect.... work as much or as little as they want.......... when they want ........and have the right to refuse any client at any time with no questions asked. Happy Hobbying

God Bless....................Andy
 
Right. I think Andy just pretty much spelled it out.

Thanks for this.
 
Interesting thread. Yes it is no secret that all the major agencies have gotten together along with some lawyers and had a meeting regarding Communist 36. I wont get into the details of our meeting , all i can say is that it was interesting and productive.

Some things that i may add is that i have operated agencies in the states were it is ultra illegal on all ends and it was and still is busier than hell. You just need to operate differently and smarter.

Running incalls and living off the avails and even being found in a bawdyhouse HAS ALWAYS BEEN ILLEGAL in Canada, but there was an understanding that as long as the girls were not exploited, trafficed and of legal age they left us alone. We have had visits from Police Services in the past, they come in, have a chat with the girl, see that she is happy, safe, of age and they are on their way. Believe it or not, they even called and told us that they were going to speak to that specific girl at a specific time.

Escort agencies such as ours have worked very closely to keep our industry as clean as possible and most importantly, as safe as possible for the girls. Ultimately, this is what law enforcement care about.

In the past our agency has worked closely with law enforcement on two separate occassions to rid a couple of girls that we found out were pimped here. We called the police, arrested the pimps via SWAT TEAM, one who was also wanted for armed robbery in another province, all while having my families and my life threatened. The girls have left the industry.

We along with some other agencies get regular emails from law enforcement regarding run away or missing girls.

We get pictures sent to us regarding violent johns to post in our incall locations to warn the girls.

And the kicker of all kickers, THIS AGENCY HAS HAD GIRLS WORKING ON THEIR OWN, REFERRED TO US BY THE POLICE SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT. The police PREFER that girls work for a reputable agency, rather than on the streets or on their own. SAFETY

My agency in Saskatchewan is licensed, and so are the girls. Read the article from the Saskatoon newspaper, ( its in another thread) where they claim to have the best system around. Law enforcement loves it.

IMHO, this will be handled jurisdiction by jurisdiction and the focus will be on EXPLOITATION, HUMAN TRAFFICING and UNDER AGED GIRLS, as it always has been.

Ontario has a new MAJORITY LIBERAL government and has a Homosexual (DYKE) as premier, who i am sure remembers what she has gone through on similar issues. Federal laws are enforced by the provinces, and they wont waste their budgets on stuff that they know is unpopular with the public (as in poll after poll on the subject ), and knowing damn well this is going straight back the the Supremes.

One of our regular clients who is in a wheel chair has told me, once this law passes, he will book an escort, call a TV news crew to his house, and call the police that he is now about to break this irrational, Taliban style law. True story.

The sky isnt falling folks, i think things will cool off for a bit, and once all see that the earth is still revolving, things will slowly get back to normal. As a note, all the girls that have ever worked at this agency, were and are independent contractors that come and go from across Canada as they please. They are treated with compassion, humanity, respect.... work as much or as little as they want.......... when they want ........and have the right to refuse any client at any time with no questions asked. Happy Hobbying

God Bless....................Andy

Excellent post, thanks!
 
To further Andy's post, reputable agencies were invited to participate in a meeting specifically about C36. We had lawyers present and came away with very valuable information and some solid steps towards the shaping of this industry for the future.
What Andy is discussing is enforcement related. I think we can do more. This is an industry that can be ( and is in a lot of cases ) run ethically and responsibly. For those of us that already run this way I think Andy is correct and enforcement won't be an issue. For those that don't, well, pull up your socks....interesting times are ahead.

For clients, it is very, very important that you learn to start distinguishing who is truly reputable and who isn't. Steps are currently being taken to make this easier. I or Andy or George will provide more information soon as to how this will work. In the meantime, talk to the girls you see, ask questions. Refuse to support agencies that don't run this way.

As to how we will run post C36, well that remains to be seen. Rest assured however that some of us are taking rather large steps to maintain the safety and security of our clients and the ladies we represent.

Steph
 
If you are posting pictures of known violent johns why do you have dinner with and provide gratuities to known blackmailers and extortionists in the business?

If you are referring to Batman, many owners have met with him and had lunch or dinner with him. This is now a police matter and frankly none of your fucking business. oh and i might have missed it. ....................your contribution to this industry has been what ? Exactly. Nothing but cheap jabs and garbage. Run along and go play in a different sandbox. or if you want to discuss this in person like adults, call taylor, she will hook us up. I will post the minutes of our meeting here for all to read.

God Bless....................Andy
 
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In case you haven't noticed Copycraigs is going on on Top! :eyebrows:

As far as setting up a meeting?
Have your lawyer put my name on your visitors list.

As far as my contribution goes it's been quite a ride, keep deleting all your incall addresses when they get posted by the very gentleman that you go have fancy dinners with.


No asshole, it was you posting our incall addresses. You will be dealt with. Grow up man. Thats the last i will say to you


God Bless.................Andy
 
A very usefull thread needlessly highjacked by the industry idiot. Well done.



God Bless......................Andy
 
From MIRAGE ESCORTS " IMHO, this will be handled jurisdiction by jurisdiction and the focus will be on EXPLOITATION, HUMAN TRAFFICING and UNDER AGED GIRLS, as it always has been.

Ontario has a new MAJORITY LIBERAL government and has a Homosexual (DYKE) as premier, who i am sure remembers what she has gone through on similar issues. Federal laws are enforced by the provinces, and they wont waste their budgets on stuff that they know is unpopular with the public (as in poll after poll on the subject ), and knowing damn well this is going straight back the the Supremes. "

I said the same thing on a couple of threads. MPASquared promptly jumped on my thread to claim I am a moron & an idiot for saying this & I had NO clue what I was talking about. Hmmmm wondering if they will accuse you of such idiocy for claiming enforcement is the domain of local jurisdictions AND as we have seen based on the City of Toronto's citizens tolerance ,.... the laws are very loosely enforced, in the past , at present & very likely in the future.
 
No asshole, it was you posting our incall addresses. You will be dealt with. Grow up man. Thats the last i will say to you


God Bless.................Andy
WHY IS THIS GUY ALLOWED TO ADVERTISE on here when it is known he attempts to oust agencies from condos..... Like he thinks then we will do biz with him??? WTF!!??
 
To further Andy's post, reputable agencies were invited to participate in a meeting specifically about C36. We had lawyers present and came away with very valuable information and some solid steps towards the shaping of this industry for the future.

Steps are currently being taken to make this easier. I or Andy or George will provide more information soon as to how this will work. In the meantime, talk to the girls you see, ask questions. Refuse to support agencies that don't run this way.

It truly is a sad state of affairs when peers within an industry decide to get together for discussion of serious matters and neglect to include peers based on petty personal issues. What's even more regrettable is when these individuals feel they have the power to determine who is and who isn't reputable based solely on whether they like the person. Doesn't this seem a bit childish? Several agency owners and adult entertainment stake holders including yours truly did not get invited to this function that Steph speaks of however this doesn't mean we aren't reputable.

Having been in business for over 5 years maybe I don't have enough clout to be considered reputable; however Jillian of Cupids who has successfully run her agency for over 10 years wasn't invited. Jillian of Cupids operates with a stellar reputation from staff and clients alike, was one of the first agency owners to speak against C36, and the only one that is willing to put her real name and face on a newspaper article to speak against this bill. Why wasn't she invited?

I find it a lukewarm effort at best and mostly a childish snobbish gesture to selectively invite people to a meeting intended to better an industry where you leave out people like Jillian for no other reason than a popularity contest. I look forward to the future with optimism and pray the people who are serious about making a difference have their voices heard and those that are forming secret clubs at tea parties realize that you can't make a difference by segregating and separating... I look forward to working with Andy and Steph and everyone who is serious about making a difference!

God bless,

Don Ron :)
 
It truly is a sad state of affairs when peers within an industry decide to get together for discussion of serious matters and neglect to include peers based on petty personal issues. What's even more regrettable is when these individuals feel they have the power to determine who is and who isn't reputable based solely on whether they like the person. Doesn't this seem a bit childish? Several agency owners and adult entertainment stake holders including yours truly did not get invited to this function that Steph speaks of however this doesn't mean we aren't reputable.

Having been in business for over 5 years maybe I don't have enough clout to be considered reputable; however Jillian of Cupids who has successfully run her agency for over 10 years wasn't invited. Jillian of Cupids operates with a stellar reputation from staff and clients alike, was one of the first agency owners to speak against C36, and the only one that is willing to put her real name and face on a newspaper article to speak against this bill. Why wasn't she invited?

I find it a lukewarm effort at best and mostly a childish snobbish gesture to selectively invite people to a meeting intended to better an industry where you leave out people like Jillian for no other reason than a popularity contest. I look forward to the future with optimism and pray the people who are serious about making a difference have their voices heard and those that are forming secret clubs at tea parties realize that you can't make a difference by segregating and separating...

God bless,

Don Ron :)

Jillian put her real name in the article ? OK, then mine is Donald Duck. Thats either here nor there. It wasnt my party Don Ron, we discussed this, and i told you if you wanted to come, i couldnt care less. All i can say, is i dont like to get involved in drama, and if there are certain reasons why other owners were uncomfortable with certain agency owners being there its non of my business.

God Bless....................Andy
 
This thread needs to get back on track I think some of you need to stop airing dirty laundry in public.
 
From MIRAGE ESCORTS " IMHO, this will be handled jurisdiction by jurisdiction and the focus will be on EXPLOITATION, HUMAN TRAFFICING and UNDER AGED GIRLS, as it always has been.

Ontario has a new MAJORITY LIBERAL government and has a Homosexual (DYKE) as premier, who i am sure remembers what she has gone through on similar issues. Federal laws are enforced by the provinces, and they wont waste their budgets on stuff that they know is unpopular with the public (as in poll after poll on the subject ), and knowing damn well this is going straight back the the Supremes. "

I said the same thing on a couple of threads. MPASquared promptly jumped on my thread to claim I am a moron & an idiot for saying this & I had NO clue what I was talking about. Hmmmm wondering if they will accuse you of such idiocy for claiming enforcement is the domain of local jurisdictions AND as we have seen based on the City of Toronto's citizens tolerance ,.... the laws are very loosely enforced, in the past , at present & very likely in the future.

Umm excuse me but it was in reference to your ridiculous post about john's taking to the streets to protest in masks. And you stated your master plan for your business was to hope local enforcement doesn't enforce. I said that was crazy to put ALL your eggs in one basket or to think john's wouldd or should fight to save your future. This was echoed by several posters after me.
 
It truly is a sad state of affairs when peers within an industry decide to get together for discussion of serious matters and neglect to include peers based on petty personal issues. What's even more regrettable is when these individuals feel they have the power to determine who is and who isn't reputable based solely on whether they like the person. Doesn't this seem a bit childish? Several agency owners and adult entertainment stake holders including yours truly did not get invited to this function that Steph speaks of however this doesn't mean we aren't reputable.

Having been in business for over 5 years maybe I don't have enough clout to be considered reputable; however Jillian of Cupids who has successfully run her agency for over 10 years wasn't invited. Jillian of Cupids operates with a stellar reputation from staff and clients alike, was one of the first agency owners to speak against C36, and the only one that is willing to put her real name and face on a newspaper article to speak against this bill. Why wasn't she invited?

I find it a lukewarm effort at best and mostly a childish snobbish gesture to selectively invite people to a meeting intended to better an industry where you leave out people like Jillian for no other reason than a popularity contest. I look forward to the future with optimism and pray the people who are serious about making a difference have their voices heard and those that are forming secret clubs at tea parties realize that you can't make a difference by segregating and separating...

God bless,

Don Ron :)

That's a pretty heavy assumption you're making. Might I remind you that this meeting wasn't made public by its participants until today ( although Copycraigs did try ) and certainly not to open a discussion about who was or was not there and to speculate to the reasons why or why not.
Insinuating that "petty grievances" were the reason for a lack of invite is also bullshit. No one is doing any mud slinging here except for you and Copycraigs which just goes to show you that perhaps the reasons for keeping this meeting amongst ourselves were prudent.
I'm sure there are plenty of agencies that are reputable that weren't there. I'm sure that some that were there may not be.
This isn't a popularity contest. This is about the survival of our industry. Who was or wasn't there is and was irrelevant and wasn't known by anyone until you and Copycraigs made it public. So perhaps you should stop pointing fingers and whining about the possible reasons you weren't included. That doesn't solve anything nor does it provide anything productive.

Steph
 
looks like an SP civil war is coming!
 
Why was my post deleted that was the truth about Copycraig posting a private message he got on another site?.
 
Germany 1 - 0 in extra time. Enjoy

God Bless.....................Andy
 
Umm excuse me but it was in reference to your ridiculous post about john's taking to the streets to protest in masks. And you stated your master plan for your business was to hope local enforcement doesn't enforce. I said that was crazy to put ALL your eggs in one basket or to think john's wouldd or should fight to save your future. This was echoed by several posters after me.
NO ...,learn to read... Never even said " JOHNS " ALSO I specifically stated in 2 THREADS that jurisdiction for enforcement is local & up to the discretion of local officials PLUS that in the past for OVER ten years enforcement has been loose, presently loose & thus likely in the future BECAUSE local enforcement is most driven by LOCAL community standards & tolerances or lack there of.
 
This thread needs to get back on track I think some of you need to stop airing dirty laundry in public.

Germany 1 - 0 in extra time, you heard it here first folks. Enjoy

God Bless.................Andy