How Will Major Providers & Agencies React

wyngarde

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Hey Fellas,

Any news on how the major agencies will react to the new laws.
Specifically what about the biggest agencies, Mirage and Cupids?
Will Mirage and Cupids remain open?
How will they communicate with clients?
Will client data be stored by agencies in any way?
How will websites function? For example here and theeroticreview.com
I assume theeroticreview.com will still be in full use, as it isn't even Canadian, but does anyone know if websites such as terb or caerf will be monitored?
 
One more thing I'd like to add is that at least Mirage still seems to be in full blown hiring mode, so are they planning on staying totally operational?
Any changes or additional client screening?
 
Another agency owner told me that when the new laws are passed they'd be consulting their lawyer and continuing operations.

Which is good news since I plan to continue too. If Peter MacKay is so utterly against me buying sex he needs to offer me his wife for free.
 
the big difference is the USA doesn't have a ban on advertising. That's where the battle will begin IMHO...but nobody really knows how this will play out until the bill is presented as law.
Miss Lee is correct, until we know what the new laws are, we won't know how to react. There isn't much use in speculating what the laws will be and coming up with game plans, we just have to wait to see how the cards unfold.
 
Miss Lee is correct, until we know what the new laws are, we won't know how to react. There isn't much use in speculating what the laws will be and coming up with game plans, we just have to wait to see how the cards unfold.

Exactly.

and BTW - I never did get to say "WICKED NEW WEBSITE!"

Simply love the fluid response and all the new tech elements, especially the scrolling design aspect. Have been doing a couple in my mainstream work and been dying to get a daring adult client to go for it. Great stuff!
 
Exactly.

and BTW - I never did get to say "WICKED NEW WEBSITE!"

Simply love the fluid response and all the new tech elements, especially the scrolling design aspect. Have been doing a couple in my mainstream work and been dying to get a daring adult client to go for it. Great stuff!
Thank you Femme, it means a lot coming from someone who knows design work. My fav part is that the mobile and desktop version are the same, simply tighten your browser and it transforms to the mobile version.

Miss Lee had mentioned that you are seeking donations to cover the costs of the HHC site, can you please DM me an email to send you an email money transfer so I can do my part to help?
 
It's true that the final bill is yet to come. But there are only three possible changes being discussed.

1. Records suspensions for those with past prostitution related offenses on their criminal record.
2. Increasing the $20 million.
3. Eliminating the criminalization of communicating near children.

None of these relate to agencies at all.
 
Thank you Femme, it means a lot coming from someone who knows design work. My fav part is that the mobile and desktop version are the same, simply tighten your browser and it transforms to the mobile version.

Miss Lee had mentioned that you are seeking donations to cover the costs of the HHC site, can you please DM me an email to send you an email money transfer so I can do my part to help?

That is fluid response! Meaning that the site responds fluidly to the changing of the screen. So wicked isn't it? LOL.

I could sit there for hours adjusting my browsers window watching the changes to sites. LOL I am such a fucking nerd I know.

PM coming hon. Thanks.
 
The law isn't going to change at all. So the agencies can essentially prepare based on its current form. The only thing that could change is the 20 million funding which isn't even part of the law.

I suspect the greatest problem is client fear more than anything else. How can they sustain the number of clients given the perceived risk. I'd imagine prices would need to come down in the near term to boost demand. There would also be room for a super high end market that charged thousands to rich men for maximum discretion.
 
They may also operate on maintaining current clientele and move on to different advertising methods.
 
For one thing most of the advertising venues such as is this one will be open, so as far as the advertising issue is concerned it will just be a matter of making their ads C-36 compliant.
 
Note: Prostitution is illegal in the U.S. ADVERTISING any illegal service or product IS ILLEGAL in the U.S. Thus BACKPAGES restricted even acronyms being used. FURTHERMORE to safe guard themselves they moved out of the U.S. Jurisdiction. Now in Britian.
 
I'm sure that agencies are thinking about what is likely to happen, and setting up their response plans.

I'm pretty sure it is a good idea for them to be quiet about the details of their plans....

I think it is a good idea for hobbyists to have good established relations with their favorite agencies and providers.

I think it is a good idea for agencies to remember who their good customers are.

I think that the hobby as I practice it won't change a whole lot.
 
Thank you Femme, it means a lot coming from someone who knows design work. My fav part is that the mobile and desktop version are the same, simply tighten your browser and it transforms to the mobile version.

Miss Lee had mentioned that you are seeking donations to cover the costs of the HHC site, can you please DM me an email to send you an email money transfer so I can do my part to help?

Thank you Jillian! Great of you to partake! Send a letter in too!! Awesome new site! Xo
 
From client point of view however (because of criminalization of all clients rather than only bad dates) I still think calling for an agency girl especially outcall would be risky. The agency may be reputable but not the (new) girl. When she leaves that agency and if she is the wrong girl she could face the client as a victim and client as a predator in the eye of the law and lot of thing not positive from client point of view can happen (especially in outcall she knows where he lives) including blackmail and extortion as once she leaves that agency the agency will not assume responsibility for the after action.

I'm obviously worried about this component of the interaction. It seems to me successful agencies will need to act as a go-between clients and providers, and ensure to not pass on client data or identifiers to their providers. Outcalls certainly do carry the risk of identification with them. Perhaps agencies can be more active in setting up incalls, or even charging clients for hotel rooms, but taking care of the hotel booking. Even a hotel room could easily be traced back to a client.
Pre-paid cell-phones could be used by potential clients.
Basically I'm thinking the system needs to be based around anonymous internet communication, non-canadian websites, such as theeroticreview.com, maybe TOR or proxy websites, pre-paid cell phones and incalls.
 
Note: Prostitution is illegal in the U.S. ADVERTISING any illegal service or product IS ILLEGAL in the U.S. Thus BACKPAGES restricted even acronyms being used.

This is true & it's one thing you can count on that will be gone. No longer will an agency be able to list what an sp is willing to do, so you won't see any more "BBBJ, CIM($), Greek($)". You'll have to rely on an outside review site for that info, but looking this info up isn't overly onerous, so it won't make much of a difference.
 
This is true & it's one thing you can count on that will be gone. No longer will an agency be able to list what an sp is willing to do, so you won't see any more "BBBJ, CIM($), Greek($)". You'll have to rely on an outside review site for that info, but looking this info up isn't overly onerous, so it won't make much of a difference.

Which section of the bill do you think would outlaw acronyms? An escort is allowed to advertise her own sexual services.
 
Which section of the bill do you think would outlaw acronyms? An escort is allowed to advertise her own sexual services.

Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic about this, or maybe I'm seeing things too much through an American eye, but I think you've got more trouble on your hands with this new law than you realize. If this were happening in the US and the law was just passed, the gov't would immediately overstep the boundaries of the law, regardless of how it was written, and move to shut everything down. Unfortunately, you seem to have an American-style gummint at the moment. I could be wrong and I hope I am...
 
Interesting thread. Yes it is no secret that all the major agencies have gotten together along with some lawyers and had a meeting regarding Communist 36. I wont get into the details of our meeting , all i can say is that it was interesting and productive.

Some things that i may add is that i have operated agencies in the states were it is ultra illegal on all ends and it was and still is busier than hell. You just need to operate differently and smarter.

Running incalls and living off the avails and even being found in a bawdyhouse HAS ALWAYS BEEN ILLEGAL in Canada, but there was an understanding that as long as the girls were not exploited, trafficed and of legal age they left us alone. We have had visits from Police Services in the past, they come in, have a chat with the girl, see that she is happy and safe and of age and they are on their way. Believe it or not, they even called and told us that they were going to speak to that specific girl at a specific time.

Escort agencies such as ours have worked very closely to keep our industry as clean as possible and most importantly, as safe as possible for the girls. Ultimately, this is what law enforcement care about.

In the past our agency has worked closely with law enforcement on two separate occassions to rid a couple of girls that we found out were pimped here. We called the police, arrested the pimps via SWAT TEAM, one who was also wanted for armed robbery in another province, all while having my families and my life threatened. The girls have left the industry.

We along with some other agencies get regular emails from law enforcement regarding run away or missing girls.

We get pictures sent to us regarding violent johns to post in our incall locations to warn the girls.

And the kicker of all kickers, THIS AGENCY HAS HAD GIRLS WORKING ON THEIR OWN, REFERRED TO US BY THE POLICE SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT. The police PREFER that girls work for a reputable agency, rather than on the streets or on their own. SAFETY

My agency in Saskatoon, is licensed, and so are the girls. Read the article from the Saskatoon newspaper, ( its in another thread) where they claim to have the best system around. Law enforcement loves it.

IMHO, this will be handled jurisdiction by jurisdiction and the focus will be on EXPLOITATION, HUMAN TRAFFICING and UNDER AGED GIRLS, as it always have been.

Ontario has a new MAJORITY LIBERAL government and has a Homosexual (DYKE) as premier, who i am sure remembers what she has gone through on similar issues. Federal laws are enforced by the provinces, and they wont waste their budgets on stuff that they know is unpopular with the public (as in poll after poll on the subject ), and knowing damn well this is going straight back the the Supremes.

One of our regular clients who is in a wheel chair has told me, once this law passes, he will book an escort, call a TV news crew to his house, and call the police that he is now about to break this irrational, Taliban style law. True story.

The sky isnt falling folks, i think things will cool off for a bit, and once all see that the earth is still revolving, things will slowly get back to normal. As a note, all the girls that have ever worked at this agency, were and are independent contractors that come and go from across Canada as they please. They are treated with compassion, humanity, respect.... work as much or as little as they want.......... when they want ........and have the right to refuse any client at any time with no questions asked. Happy Hobbying

God Bless....................Andy
 
From client point of view however (because of criminalization of all clients rather than only bad dates) I still think calling for an agency girl especially outcall would be risky. The agency may be reputable but not the (new) girl. When she leaves that agency and if she is the wrong girl she could face the client as a victim and client as a predator in the eye of the law and lot of thing not positive from client point of view can happen (especially in outcall she knows where he lives) including blackmail and extortion as once she leaves that agency the agency will not assume responsibility for the after action.

why would outcall be more risky than incall? Seems the opposite to me. So she knows where you live. She can't prove what happened there. Incall, another story altogether. Also strip clubs, who's to say they won't sweep them up while they're pursuing random accusations by women who say they are escorts? Lap dance is sexual servicing according to the technical paper. If they can go after things happening in private residences long ago, why can't they just say they saw you getting a lap dance and put you away?

You say outcall is dangerous IF it is a new girl... so use established girls. Give them a couple of weeks, then they're established. I think that the people doing hiring are pretty astute about who they hire. And on the first day, either the girls will be providing the service, or turning the johns in. Lesson - don't book someone on their first day.

My sense of YOUR view is that it is paranoid. You imagine that LE would chase down people who, according to some escort, had had paid sex with them at some point in the past. I think they'd see the desperate woman and understand that there was no case to pursue. And of course blackmail is highly illegal, and would put the escort in a much more precarious position than the john.

My sense is that you are building up a problem from the most extreme possibilities. LE don't have the money or the time (and probably not the will) to go to the sort of extremes that your imagination throws up.

You make many very detailed analyses of what you think will happen. I wonder - are you a lawyer? Are you in law enforcement? Do you know how the law will be interpreted? Do you know what the law will actually be? If not, all that chatter in your head can safely be disregarded. Once is expressing an opinion. Repeatedly making the same declarations is something else.

I also note that you insist you are no longer an escort customer. Perhaps you should just take your "winnings" and go play your game. You've made the same points numerous times, counter points have been made, everyone who's hanging around here are familiar with this.

Or are you chattering away for some other reason? Why the paranoia if you are not in the game? Do you think we should all be as paranoid as you? Just stirring things up? Like they aren't stirred up already?

Don't bother answering, or do. Whatever, I'm not going down the rabbit hole with you.