All I am saying is that you have to create the right environment and winning conditions to have some success. If the percentage is one in 5 or 10 of tries, that is fine with me. If you are a scared little tit mouse that never tries, then stick to SPs. I am sure Maddy will accommodate you. I can tell you that these attempts work out fine many times but of course not all the time. There are a few posters here that agree that these methods work in meeting women. I can attest that it works for me. Sometimes it is the women using these methods and it is they that are the aggressor.
I was trying to find an old thread that I posted, but I can not go back further that January of this year. I posted about a woman customer at the deli counter that was sampling some deli delights and tried to put some of her ham sample in my mouth. If trying to put deli delights into a strangers mouth is not an attempt at conversation starting, then I do not know what is. I declined the deli treat, as I sensed she was was a divorced mom with kids. ( she asked for 800 g of ham at the deli counter)