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How many hours do you sleep? Are you a success or failure

Smallcock

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Time is money, and aside from health, time is also our greatest asset.

I'm what experts call a "long sleeper". I sleep 9 or 10 hours per day. If I get 7 hours of sleep instead, I can wake up and go about my day, but at some point lethargy will kick in and I will become unproductive and exhausted. If I get the extra 2 - 3 hours, I feel like new again. I can fight thru it but I'll likely sleep longer the following day as a result. Somehow, the body needs to get its preset amount of sleep.

The amount of sleep that you need is genetically determined and I hate that my sleep requirements have put me at a disadvantage. While I don't have to do it anymore, in the past I negated this disadvantage by using my waking hours efficiently, but I also believe that if I only required 5 hours of sleep per day, I would get more accomplished.

People who are short-sleepers, and successful, have a hard time understanding long sleepers and sometimes mistakenly believe they're lazy. Nobody has control over the hours they need to sleep to feel rested and suffer no debilitating health problems (this is differentiated from insomnia - people going on little sleep and feel tired all the time). You can't will yourself to sleep less no matter how much you want to, and become a short sleeper. You can try different diets, adjust sleep patterns, exercise, take certain nutrients. None of it changes the amount of sleep you need. Doesn't matter how motivated you are, your biology dictates rest and recovery time. You can drink coffee to keep you alert and awake longer, but you'll still need to get your catch-up sleep eventually.

Short sleepers get their 4 or 5 hours of sleep per day and wake up feeling like a million bucks (sidenote: there was one or two weeks in my life when I automatically would wake up each day with only about 5 hours of sleep and had all the energy in the world; this must be what it's like to be a short sleeper; I could not replicate this no matter how much I tried). We live in a fast paced society so getting little sleep is seen as being a go-getter and a positive attribute, and is required for many jobs.

Short sleepers possess a rare gene mutation called DEC2, and when mice are bred with the same gene mutation, they sleep less but perform cognitive and physical functions just like regular mice (ref https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2884988/ ). Short sleepers won an important genetic lottery.

Successful people fall into both categories. Einstein was a long sleeper requiring 10 hours/day, Mariah Carey claims to need 15 hours/day, meanwhile CEOs like Trump, Jack Dorsey (of Twitter), and Martha Stewart need only 4 - 6 hours/day. Many people don't have sleep issues but their expectation of how much sleep they need doesn't align with how much they need.

But back to basic math - imagine needing 5 hours of sleep/day instead of 10 hours/day. Every 5 days, you have lived over a full 24 hour day awake more than the person who needs 10 hours of sleep/day. In a year, you've had 73 full 24 hour days awake to get more stuff done than the person who needs more sleep. Thus, I think short sleepers get more out of life and have a incalculable competitive advantage over those that need more sleep to achieve success. Therefore, if you're a short sleeper and a failure, you have failed extra hard.

They say that the average person needs 8 hours of sleep. I don't know if this is the actual average or median. Anyway, even for many top functioning successful folks it does seem that they need 6 - 8 hours.

 

Phil C. McNasty

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I need at least 7 to 8 hours, otherwise I dont function well throughout the day.

Its amazing some people can do with just 4 or 5 hours though. There's no way I could do that
 

Mr Deeds

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Im lucky if I get 4 or 5 a night, by the end of the day Im exhausted which kinda puts a damper on my after hours plans
 
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Smallcock

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I remember watching an interview with Kobe Bryant. As everyone knows the man was obsessed with being the best basketball player. He would start practicing hours before official practice began and sometimes continued afterward.

He said that he was good with 3 hours of sleep. The man was able to play at the highest level of basketball on only 3 hours of rest per night. Regardless of motivation, most people would be zombies within a day or two on such little sleep.
 

out4fun

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I went about 10years with less than 4 hours of sleep per night. Often I would get by on 2-3 hours for stretches lasting several weeks. It was great for building businesses and achieving goals. You don’t accomplish anything while you are asleep. Nowadays I am much less driven and can sleep 6 plus hours per night.
 

bandit2238

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I usually sleep 5-6 hours sometimes takes over an hour just to fall asleep.
Up everyday even on weekends at around 5-5:30am .
Finding as I get older don't need as much sleep as I use too.
 
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Smallcock

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According to one study, short sleepers have an increased risk of death:

This was an extensive study performed in Sweden during a 15-year period. Over 75,000 men and women were followed. They were divided based on their sleep duration and level of activity. Those who slept less than six hours a night were defined as short sleepers and those who slept more than eight hours were defined as long sleepers. Individuals who slept around seven hours were in the majority and defined as normal. A low level of activity was defined as those who walked or bicycled less than 20 minutes per day, had sedentary work/occupations, and spent most of their leisure time doing such things as watching television. Higher levels of activity were defined by increased walking, biking, non-sedentary occupations, and exercising regularly.

The researchers found that short sleepers, regardless of physical activity, had a much higher incidence of death over the 15 years than did normal sleepers. However, in the long sleeper group, physical activity was the most important factor in predicting early mortality. For the long sleepers, only those who had the lowest levels of exercise saw an increase in early mortality.

The major causes of death in all groups were cardiovascular disease and cancer. In long sleepers, the lack of physical activity predicted cardiovascular causes of death such as heart attack and stroke, but not cancer.

What is the take-home message? First, it once again reveals that those of us who get less than six hours of sleep are at increased risk for early death even if we are active and exercise regularly. Second, it finally seems to answer the age-old question of “Can you sleep too much?” It would appear that the answer is no, not if you maintain a reasonable level of physical activity.
https://www.everydayhealth.com/colu...leep-answers/short-sleepers-vs-long-sleepers/
 

K Douglas

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6 hrs 45 min. If I'm super tired I can go up to 8 hours but that's rare. I usually don't go to bed until 01:00.
 

PinotNoir

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Usually go to bed between 11 and 11:30 except on Raptor's game nights.
Never use a alarm
Usually wake between 6 and 6:30am
Rarely nap
May go to bed at 10:00 on days I walk the golf course or bike 40 km.
Consider myself highly productive and engaged. Working on my 5th career.
 

Powershot

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Once kids came along I went from 7.5 to 6.5.. They are getting older so I am trying to get back to 7 on average by going to bed earlier (I always wake up an hour earlier than I used to).
 

JackBurton

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I’m pretty average, 8 hrs is ok for me. What is most important during those 8 hrs is the longest uninterrupted time sleeping that makes the difference. I avoided pot for almost 50 yrs and now that I have a medical card, the thc oil I use puts me out and keeps me out for hours. I wake up feeling like I got a great nights sleep. I’ve no idea why I avoided it for so long. Pride I suppose. I probably could use used it to sleep better during the stressful work schedules I had during my 30s & 40’s while building my career.
 

whiteshaft

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I usually sleep 5-6 hours sometimes takes over an hour just to fall asleep.
Up everyday even on weekends at around 5-5:30am .
Finding as I get older don't need as much sleep as I use too.
I find I'm the same only needing about 5 hours of sleep and I'm in my 60's.:gossip:
 

Sunlight

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I need at least 7 to 8 hours, otherwise I dont function well throughout the day.

Its amazing some people can do with just 4 or 5 hours though. There's no way I could do that
I also need at least 7 hours to sleep, and if I sleep less, I'm tired and can't concentrate. So, can you imagine how I felt when I started suffering from insomnia? It was terrible. My doctor prescribed me sleeping pills, but having checked the in about them on the Canadian Pharmacy, I found out that they have many side effects. That's why I decided to try natural ways first. I started doing sports, spending more time outdoors, and drinking more water. Also, I changed my daily routine. I should say, all this works for me.
 
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shack

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I sleep about 7-8 hours a day. The only problem is that it is in about 4 separate sessions.
 

danmand

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6 hours

Clearly I am a failure. Otherwise I would not be here.
 
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WULA

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I asked my Doctor what I could do to improve my immune system.

He told me to take Zinc and sleep in. He claimed that your immune system only repaired itself while you were sleeping.

Works for me.
 
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