The vaccinated are are likely to stay out of the ICU, still people doubt the stats and science.
How long do you think until they lockdown Ontario ?
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Partially vaccinated are 3% of province and 2.5% of ICU admissions. The largest groups of partially vaccinated are 5-11 by a long shot, with 12-18 and 18-29 at a distant second and third. Meanwhile, 95% of 60+ are fully vaccinated. 99%+ for the 80+ group.
It’s not suspicious to me that out of a group that is almost all people under 29, you’ll see fewer of those people in the ICU by comparison to the fully vaccinated group, which includes nearly every high and highest risk person in Ontario.
The numbers used to generate the pie charts come from the reporting data on the provincial health website in that link.
There is no evidence of large-scale manipulation of provincial health data in Ontario.
So, when you asked him if he knew “firsthand,” you really meant that?
Like, basketcase says “Sure, I know because I’m a magic doctor that works in all ICU’s in Ontario constantly and simultaneously and also have time to argue with you on TERB” that would work for you?
Is that the bar you’ve decided needs to be set here?
Holy fucking shit.
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Yes, I have the ability to read the government website with the data.
Again, I was not asking anything when I posted. I posted a fact, that is all. I wasn’t talking about ICUs I was talking about as a whole. That was what I wanted to address so that is what I addressed. Thanks for coming out though.
I wasn't trying to answer any question. Thanks. Just felt that others might want to see the other side of your perspective.
Thankfully not. I'm vaccinated so it's extremely unlikely.
But if you want to try and get into ICUs an test everyone for your own database, go ahead.
Lockdowns will only happen if hospitalizations and ICU capacity reach a certain point which luckily for us has not happened yet and hopefully won't.
Because of several workers testing positive where I work in the states, we are back to teleworking until God knows when. The employer required workers to get vaccinated, get a religious exemption, and be tested daily (the employee's cost), or they would be terminated. The booster is optional (I have the booster).
No one can afford a total lockdown. However, businesses are required to ask for vaccination cards and valid driver's license/state IDs. Should get interesting from now until April 2022.
No one can afford a total lockdown. However, businesses are required to ask for vaccination cards and valid driver's license/state IDs. Should get interesting from now until April 2022.
I agree. Problem is, the general population is way beyond the point of adhering to rules. Young adults and teens will find ways to get together, and New Years Eve is going to be the worlds largest super spreader event.
By all accounts Omicron is not as bad as Delta with % of hospitalizations... but more people infected faster can still fill up hospitals.
Remember when we all gave a shit for a few months about the condition of retirement homes? Well, the staff who are taking well earned vacations to hot spots against the good advice of public health, coupled with a big party this Sat night... well, it's going to go through nursing homes like ecoli in undercooked meat at a pig roast.
The next 3 months, shit gets real is my prediction, but not as bad. And because it's not as bad, people will be "living their best lives" making it harder to get under control.
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Don't know about Ontario, but the U.S. healthcare system is getting to it's breaking point. In some areas, 95% of the ER patients with COVID-19 are unvaccinated. More than several major hospital systems have taken out full page ads in national publications, i.e., the Chicago Trubune, NY Times, LA Times, and regional newspapers, asking people to get vaccinated and a booster. Several hospitals have started rationing care.
I don't see things getting better anytime soon. And the Delta variant hasn't gone away either.
Sun columnist and spouse of Ford’s director of communications, Bryan Lilley just Tweeted something about Ford not being able to make an announcement about further lockdown measures or a move to remote learning for schools because “This is a fast moving situation.”
Lilley says that Ford wants to avoid a decision at this point that is “Out if an abundance of caution.”
Personally, I think that’s Fordspeak for “I’m at the cottage, so fuck off.”
The thread replies half-jokingly lean heavily toward a leak or announcement on Thursday about an announcement on Friday.
Lilley says that Ford wants to avoid a decision at this point that is “Out if an abundance of caution.”
Personally, I think that’s Fordspeak for “I’m at the cottage, so fuck off.”
The thread replies half-jokingly lean heavily toward a leak or announcement on Thursday about an announcement on Friday.
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Anecdotally, I can’t believe how many people in my personal life have COVID or are under self-imposed isolation orders because of exposures right now.
I say “self-imposed” because contact tracing seems to be largely the responsibility of the people with COVID, or someone in their household.
With the US announcement of 5-day isolations, nobody here seems to know what’s going on.
If people get through to their PHU they are getting entirely different information/advice each time they call.
I don’t know of anyone who has gotten a call from PH to say they were exposed in the last 2-weeks. That’s entirely on the person doing the exposing at this point. Why they’re taking contact tracing information at bars and restaurants at this point is beyond me.
People that are testing positive aren’t even getting asked about close contacts in some cases, according to the people in my life that tested positive in the last 4-days.
I say “self-imposed” because contact tracing seems to be largely the responsibility of the people with COVID, or someone in their household.
With the US announcement of 5-day isolations, nobody here seems to know what’s going on.
If people get through to their PHU they are getting entirely different information/advice each time they call.
I don’t know of anyone who has gotten a call from PH to say they were exposed in the last 2-weeks. That’s entirely on the person doing the exposing at this point. Why they’re taking contact tracing information at bars and restaurants at this point is beyond me.
People that are testing positive aren’t even getting asked about close contacts in some cases, according to the people in my life that tested positive in the last 4-days.
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Do you understand the concept of proportionality and how it applies to math and analysis?
Obviously not. Like many of the anti crew.
1. 88% of people are fully vaccinated vs the 3% that are partially vaccinated. Almost 30 times more. Why are you surprised the 3% is lower?
2. 9% of the population above 12 (unvaccinated) are making up 73% of ICU with covid. That means they are 27 times more likely, on a per person basis, to be in ICU. Sure let’s go with the its not covid. If it’s some other factor other than covid that is making them 27 times more likely to be in ICU those 9% must be some of the most unhealthiest fucks on earth.
3. The reason you have zero belief in pie charts is you can’t read or understand them.
4. So instead of going to an aggregated chart you expect the guy to ask many doctors and nurses across the province. Good stuff.
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And just like that, Kieran Moore has kicked any kind of announcement down the road by saying they need until later this week to decide if they’ll change current guidelines because of the CDC update yesterday.
We’re in GREAT hands, folks.
We’re in GREAT hands, folks.
Actually, this is the first time I approve of Ford's handling of COVID-19. He's been burnt a few times and, this time around, he seems to be taking his time.And just like that, Kieran Moore has kicked any kind of announcement down the road by saying they need until later this week to decide if they’ll change current guidelines because of the CDC update yesterday.
We’re in GREAT hands, folks.
Quelle surprise.
In recollection, each time he’s locked down with the exception of the first, it has been weeks or months after the decision should have been made, according to the modelling and the actual numbers.
…Assuming of course that the person ultimately responsible for public health in this province is expected to be entirely focused on sound decisions that are in the best interest of public health.
If really what matters is that Fordnation gets to interact with whoever wherever they want, and most importantly that busineses can operate without interruption, he’s the bestest premier East of Alberta.
I just got back from a hike and ran into two people I know who have a close contact that tested positive on the weekend who feel they are not under any kind of isolation order because PH hasn't reached out. They were on their way to the Superstore, and had been at the gym for the two previous days.
??? You can paste this comment and replace Ford with Trudeau. As a matter of fact, most politicians can fill that blank space. In their defense, our "leaders" are only as good as the evolving science. One thing though I will not forgive Ford is abdicating his duty as the elected leader of Ontario to the bunch of doctors.
Nah. I’m not going to do that.
I don’t like the guy, but Trudeau controls the borders and deserves his own blame, but the subject of this thread is a provincial lockdown, which Doug Ford ultimately controls.
I think it’s cute that you still believe after all this time that the doctors are calling all the shots here.
Do you hear a lot of doctors suggesting that we take more time to consider all the options before considering another lockdown? Besides Dr. Kieran Moore, whose boss is Doug Ford.
