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i_am_good

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...that she does not see blacks, without offending them? Is there a polite and nice way to do it? Yes.

What if, at the still tender age of twelve, a young girl gets raped by three young black thugs. Her male friend tries to intervene but gets beaten up instead.

To the young lady, it was like watching someone else's nightmare. Imagine a scene in black and white with stop and go action and strobe lights - a bit surreal. She fights back but it is hopeless. Their faces invade her space as they brutalize her - her senses overloaded as she succumbs to the shock.

Afterwards, she cannot recall their facial features - as if their faces had been smudged with dirt.

Later on, life leads her to an unfulfilling role as an SP at a popular incall here in Toronto. She tells the people that run the incall that she cannot see Black men. But it is too difficult to screen them all out.

That is where I come in.

It's Friday night and I'm working late. I decide to have some "fun". I call a popular incall and book with an SP I have never seen before.

When I get there, she does not open the door. There is a brief moment, then the door opens and I walk inside. She has her hand over her mouth but at the time, I did not pick up on the significance. She sighs deeply as I walk past her and enter into the bedroom. She hesitates - not knowing what to do. She enters the bedroon and sits down beside me - both hands now completely covering her face.

I, still unawares, am now just starting to pick up that something is not right. She looks into my eyes and tells me. I remain silent. I can sense her sadness. She gently puts her hand on my shoulder. She is genuine. I am moved.

I offer my understanding - she offers another lady. I reassure her that it's OK. I'm not upset. We talk some more.

She can tell I too am genuine. She shares with me the details of her brutal rape - the dark ghosts that haunt her. There is pain and fear. These men - could I have been one of them? How would she know? It was so long ago and their faces undistinguisable. There has been time but no healing. Now the tears run freely. She tells me she is so sorry. I tell her it is not her fault - it's her body; her decision - no matter what.

Now, her anger rages toward the owners. Do they not respect her wishes? Why do they always do this to her?

I offer to open a discussion. So, here it is.

How do you do it - tell someone, in a nice way, that you cannot see them?

P.S. In an incredible display of self-sacrifice, she offers to see me anyway. We talk some more. She can sense something about me - perhaps it is time to start the healing. I confirm with her if it is OK. She gets ready, teary eyed but brave. The act is simple, tender and gentle. Afterwards, I scold myself for staying. Perhaps I should not have stayed. But then again, maybe our meeting will turn out to be something positive - I hope.
 

The Baroness

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I hope she reads this and sees what an incredibly good and sensitive heart is inside that body...even if, not even if but especially because it is covered by the same color skin as those who hurt her.
 

einar

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Bravo to you. The world of sexual assault flashbacks is a real one, which many of us encounter at one time or another. All you can do is be sensitive, and try not to make matters worse.
 

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i_am_good said:
[B....Later on, life leads her to an unfulfilling role as an SP at a popular incall here in Toronto. She tells the people that run the incall that she cannot see Black men. But it is too difficult to screen them all out.
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As an Indy, it would be a lot easier to simply post her restrictions on her site or an ad, but working for an Agency, it would be impossible for them to screen skin colour over the phone without seeming racist themselves. Business is business, and as much as they may understand her history and reasoning, right or wrong, to try and screen based on skin colour would be the same as if all three attackers had moustaches. The Agency would have trouble detecting that physical trait over the phone as well.

i_am_good said:
...P.S. In an incredible display of self-sacrifice, she offers to see me anyway. We talk some more. She can sense something about me - perhaps it is time to start the healing. I confirm with her if it is OK. She gets ready, teary eyed but brave. The act is simple, tender and gentle. Afterwards, I scold myself for staying. Perhaps I should not have stayed. But then again, maybe our meeting will turn out to be something positive - I hope.
Lots of mixed emotions for me. While I fully understand and appreciate her feelings, and as you say, it's certainly her body and she is free to see whom she wishes, there is no way I'd confirm and pay for an Escort who is "teary eyed but brave" in being with me. Don't get me wrong, the story tugs at the heart for sure, but if, as BB suggested, you replace the three black attackers with three white attackers and all else being equal, would she refuse to see all white clients? Would she be teary eyed with each white client that walked through the door? Or, would she accept the fact that every white client is not her attacker?

Not trying to be insensitive, just trying to put in perspective that she was attacked by three vicious criminals...who happened to be black...this time. Feeling the way she does towards all black men probably will require much more than the kindness you've shown. No matter how kind, it's not therapy (I don't think?).

But to answer your original question, how to tell someone in a nice way you can't see them? There probably is no nice way, it just needs to be said. But, in this business working for someone else, it's more difficult. Myself, as a Black Client, I really don't need the reasons. Every lady has a reason, as do every client, for engaging in this business and with whom. Just let me know that I'm not welcome, and I have no problems going elsewhere. I'd have a tough time paying to change an attitude, especially one rooted in such a deep emotional and painful memory. I do wish her luck and hope she is able to seek help to recover from the trauma. Hard to tell if your encounter helped or hurt? Hope for the best!!
 

Mufflicker

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I feel for her and I commend you.

The problem is, if she got raped by 3 white guys, would she refuse to see white clients?

I'm not sure either way. Tough call, tough situation.
If she was a black, oriental, hispanic or what ever woman, had no or limited contact with whites then in that case she might.
 

spartan5782

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Cindy said:
Her employer should respect her wishes 100% but some people only care about the almighty dollar..... If I were her I would find another place where she will be respected.
But Cindy, how does the Agency screen a phone caller based on skin colour who requests this particular Provider? Do they ask every caller "Excuse me, are you Black? If you are, I'll have to direct you towards another Provider. The one you've chosen that works for us does not see Blacks."

So the caller asks why. Do they go into the story of her past, do they simply tell him she has her reasons and that's it. Do they risk losing a customer or customers? If she worked as a waitress, and she refused to serve Blacks for the same reason, does she get the "White Only" section? Again, not wanting to seem unsympathetic, but how is it her employer's responsibility? She works for them.
 

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Sounds to me like the employer does understand & respect her wishes

i_am_good said:
... She tells the people that run the incall that she cannot see Black men. But it is too difficult to screen them all out.

 

Barry-O

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Personally I think that race thing is a cop out....


For argument sake a white person was assaulted by a black person so they have a problem with black people?

Ok lets change it up... what if its a white person assaulting another white person? now i could always be wrong but honestly....I'd bet my LAST DOLLAR that the victim will not end up having a complex with other white people.

But does it matter if you get attacked by white, black, yellow????..... assault is assault no?

my point is... I really think many people are just waiting for a reason to descriminate against a certain race because deep down insidewithout them probably even knowing, thats what they want...they just need a reason....and once they get it they run with it

Flame me if you will but thats what I beleive.
 

shinyam

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No, Barry-O, your argument is valid and I don't think anyone here will flame you for pointing that out. I agree that some people use their past experiences as a pretense for their racist attitudes.

However, in this case, I get the feeling that she was traumatized and has genuinely formed an involuntarily negative association between black males and pain.
 

SucroseFree

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How I would handle it;

Either
Get someone else to meet him at the door, if he is "objectionable" (you can tell in a second of seeing him) then tell him that she isn't there due to an emergency and send him on his way (or get him to see someone else who is there).

Or

Meet him at the door, if he is "objectionable" tell him that there was an emergency and that you can't see him. Later tell the owners that you don't want to see him.

Of course, what do I know about these sorts of things.
 

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Barry-O said:
Ok lets change it up... what if its a white person assaulting another white person? now i could always be wrong but honestly....I'd bet my LAST DOLLAR that the victim will not end up having a complex with other white people.
Not a totally valid comparison. If you have limited exposure to a particular group, you will tend to extrapolate a general impression based on those few experiences. You won't have the same associations with a majority group because there are so many different type of experiences across a broad spectrum.
If you're a white person in North America, you've probably dealt with white people every day of your life. It wouldn't be logical to suddenly develop a strong characterization of white people based on one experience.
 

Barry-O

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chunkylover53 said:
Not a totally valid comparison. If you have limited exposure to a particular group, you will tend to extrapolate a general impression based on those few experiences. You won't have the same associations with a majority group because there are so many different type of experiences across a broad spectrum.
If you're a white person in North America, you've probably dealt with white people every day of your life. It wouldn't be logical to suddenly develop a strong characterization of white people based on one experience.
So where are all the black people?? under the sea with Ariel until its time for the 6 oclock news??? lmao

I stand by my argument
 

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chunkylover53 said:
Not a totally valid comparison. If you have limited exposure to a particular group, you will tend to extrapolate a general impression based on those few experiences. You won't have the same associations with a majority group because there are so many different type of experiences across a broad spectrum.
If you're a white person in North America, you've probably dealt with white people every day of your life. It wouldn't be logical to suddenly develop a strong characterization of white people based on one experience.
But here's the rub...if a person can logically admit and conclude that a white person's behavior is not tied to the colour of their skin, then doesn't that break the misconception that skin colour has anything to do with behavior? It's the ignorance of this that typically fosters racism. So the comparison is valid only because we are talking about skin colour being the determining factor of perceived behavior...if you've only been attacked by whites, and all attacks are based on skin colour, then all whites are potential attackers. But, it doesn't take a mental giant or repetitive contact to disprove this theory, just knowing that there are rapists locked up in every colour, nationality, ethnicity...etc.

So, she can believe what she will and generalize about all people with visible dark pigment in their skin, her choice. I'm just saying it's tough to make her fear factor her employer's responsibility, and the way for her to convey her distrust and fear of dark skinned people is to simply state it...I just can't think of a "nice" way to put it. So working for an Agency that doesn't discriminate may not be the best option for her...perhaps going Indy would assure her of a client's particular skin colour. That way it can be posted in an ad so there's no confusion and no "at the door" objections which would cause both parties a lot of pain. Her shock and tears at seeing a dark skinned client, and his shock at seeing her shock and tears from looking at him. It would just seem to work a lot better for her that way.

JMHO....and again, I hope she seeks the needed help to recover from such an attack..which I'm assuming is at least 6 years old with her being 12 at the time. So, if she's at least 18 (hopefully) in this business and during that time has not seen enough not to associate every dark skinned client with her childhood attackers, I'd suggest a simple screening process may not be the answer to her problems. I again wish her all the best!
 

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Tough Situation

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My daughter married a black man and I had reservations being white; then I saw the man not the skin color. The girl above has cemented in her mind a perception which has scarred her emotionally; especially since her attackers were black. Obviously years since the assault her nightmare lives on. Sparty showed compassion-yes; but this girl needs plenty of professional therapeutic help. The profession she has chosen has no color restrictions and makes her susceptible for continued trauma. One helluva price to pay for "making a living"-huh? Happy holidays--not for this girl!! If all the world was blind; then we would not have these preconceived ideas abour skin color. First impressions are what attract us to people or repel us from people; but it takes an openmind and time to get to truely know someone. Since time is paid for with an SP; a client such as Sparty above does not have time to "cure" this poor girl--just IMHO!!
 

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shinyam said:
No, Barry-O, your argument is valid and I don't think anyone here will flame you for pointing that out. I agree that some people use their past experiences as a pretense for their racist attitudes.

However, in this case, I get the feeling that she was traumatized and has genuinely formed an involuntarily negative association between black males and pain.

I feel the same way Barry O . I was mugged in SAN Fransico by 5 black men but do I feel bad about black people , hell no , in some ways I like black people more than white I feel they are more genuine.
She should get help , I would not have her work for me .
I suppose if she was responsible for hiring people she wouldn't hire blacks either .
If a white person was refused I think a lot of peoples reacton on this board would be different.

I feel very sorry she was raped but she should not be an sp , she needs therapy to deal with her feelings against black people and by the way I am white.
 

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ClownBoy said:
It is not a valid comparison to try & compare this to a white person raping a white person. In order to make comparisons, events must be similar. First, you have to know the background of the SP - where she grew up, the environment etc. If she grew up where minorities were a large part of the population, perhaps the comparison could be made.
The comparison was that no matter what the physical characteristics of the attacker, the attack is the attack. The question was, of what significance or importance does the physical characteristics play in the behavior of the rapists? Melanin (the dark pigment in skin), has no more behavioral significance than do facial hair, long eye lashes, blonde hair, eye color...etc. So, as with any rape, the similarities are that it is a violent crime perpetrated by an a$$hole. My point was simply that the physical characteristics of the a$$hole is significant only in capturing him, not in profiling and generalizing that "all" blondes or "all" blacks or "all" guys with beards act in a certain way. Just tough in convincing the world of it.

ClownBoy said:
i_am_good showed real compassion for the woman & I am sure this has helped her. Sounds like professional help is required though as she sounds truly traumatized.
As I said before, I certainly hope it hasn't hurt her. I assume by the story that this was her first time since the attack being with a man with dark skin. i_am_good paid her and she accepted and they had sex, albeit gentle sex. I'm no psychiatrist, so I'm not sure if "the hair of the dog" would necessarily be the overwhelming textbook prescription in this case, I just wish her well. Myself, seeing her teary eyed and physically emotional at the thought of me, I'd have to excuse myself inspite of her willingness to accept pay. Definitely not passing judgement on either, that's just me.
 

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An SP should have the right to refuse any client for any reason. After all the service that she is providing is very personal and very intimate.
It would show alot of class, if she would leave the skin colour out of the equation. No need to hurt someones feeling.
While she is traumatized by the fact, that the rapists were black. It doesn't mean that all black men are rapists.

However an SP should have the right to refuse any client for any reason.

I am not sure I would be able to stick around after she would have told me, what she told you.
It is a dificult thing to do something so intimate and leave your feelings at the doorstep.
 
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